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4/12-4/15 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 15, 2013 13:21:03 GMT -5
Didn't see it but I heard it was a great piece of base running by Pedroia How so? How was I told it was great base running by Pedroia?? Well I got a call from a friend who asked me if I saw the walk off, said it was a high wall double, and Pedroia had a good read/base running. Like I said, I didn't see it but heard that.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 15, 2013 13:29:52 GMT -5
Saw it - he was running hard all the way. Actually seemed to slip into another gear rounding 3rd. You could almost hear him talking smack to himself. "Usain Bolt - who's that!?"
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 15, 2013 14:00:52 GMT -5
He's the best reliever in the bullpen, but he can warm so quickly that I think he's most valuable being available in the mid-to-late innings, rather than protecting three run leads. I don't think there's any reason to be down on Bailey, he's still struck out 9 of 21 batters he's faced.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 15, 2013 14:11:44 GMT -5
We are on a roll!!!
How awesome I feel after our shitty display last season.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 15, 2013 16:15:27 GMT -5
How 'bout my boy Mike Carp so far? Wonder when his first start will be. Thinkin' the same thing. As for Bradley, he is unglued in every imaginable way. I don't recall anybody collapsing so completely. Has even his defense helped...excepting the first series against the Yankees? I sure hope that he will be as resilient as Pedroia was. Throwing to the wrong base seemed kind of a panic move...because he sure does know where the ball should go.
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Post by ray88h66 on Apr 15, 2013 16:28:04 GMT -5
How 'bout my boy Mike Carp so far? Wonder when his first start will be. Thinkin' the same thing. As for Bradley, he is unglued in every imaginable way. I don't recall anybody collapsing so completely. Has even his defense helped...excepting the first series against the Yankees? I sure hope that he will be as resilient as Pedroia was. Throwing to the wrong base seemed kind of a panic move...because he sure does know where the ball should go. As I said earlier, losing track of the stikes in his last at bat shows he's not dealing with this well at all. I keep being told he'll be fine, his makeup is good. But he's a human being and he's messed up.
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Post by jmei on Apr 15, 2013 17:03:50 GMT -5
Yeah, looks like he's in his own head at this point. Trying to make up for missing a very difficult catch by trying to make an impossible throw, forgetting the count-- this is basic stuff that he obviously knows in the back of his head, but it looks like the pressure of the situation has him all out of sorts. Hopefully Ortiz returns soon and Bradley manages to regroup in AAA. Call it a learning experience.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 15, 2013 18:06:09 GMT -5
As for Bradley, he is unglued in every imaginable way. I don't recall anybody collapsing so completely. Has even his defense helped...excepting the first series against the Yankees? I sure hope that he will be as resilient as Pedroia was. Throwing to the wrong base seemed kind of a panic move...because he sure does know where the ball should go. Can we stop it with this, please? When Pedroia was struggling in April '07, he had a 9.2% K rate. Jackie Bradley Jr. is currently rocking a 28.6% K rate. Pedroia was ready and he happened to have a bad BABIP month to start the year; his April '07 was simply a statistical fluke. Bradley is getting straight up dominated. It's not even remotely the same situation.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 15, 2013 18:45:45 GMT -5
As for Bradley, he is unglued in every imaginable way. I don't recall anybody collapsing so completely. Has even his defense helped...excepting the first series against the Yankees? I sure hope that he will be as resilient as Pedroia was. Throwing to the wrong base seemed kind of a panic move...because he sure does know where the ball should go. Can we stop it with this, please? When Pedroia was struggling in April '07, he had a 9.2% K rate. Jackie Bradley Jr. is currently rocking a 28.6% K rate. Pedroia was ready and he happened to have a bad BABIP month to start the year; his April '07 was simply a statistical fluke. Bradley is getting straight up dominated. It's not even remotely the same situation. I think that you misunderstood the thrust. Bradley is going back down to the minors. He is not going to ride it out at the ML level. He is clearly overwhelmed....the more so with each passing day. I hope that he is not so traumatized that he can't regain traction. Pedroia pulled himself together after a tough ML start., low BABIP notwithstanding. I recall him looking pretty anemic for some time. I agree with you that Bradley is not as ready. Even his so-called strengths have deserted him. Curt Shilling's assessment that Bradley should continue to be developed by being kept in the minors has proved prophetic.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 15, 2013 19:50:01 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad you're not making the "Pedroia struggled in April!" argument, but I've heard it more than a few times already.
Also, screw Curt Schilling -- MY assessment that Bradley should continue to be developed in the minors has proved prophetic.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 15, 2013 21:23:59 GMT -5
JBJ has a very low BABIP as well (.167). His K% is high, but so is his BB%. He's not ready, but reading these posts it seems like he's a long way to go.
It's worth notice that BJ Upton has similar numbers with a higher BABIP.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 15, 2013 21:38:50 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad you're not making the "Pedroia struggled in April!" argument, but I've heard it more than a few times already. Also, screw Curt Schilling -- MY assessment that Bradley should continue to be developed in the minors has proved prophetic. shill (??l) — n slang a confidence trickster's assistant, esp a person who poses as an ordinary customer, gambler, etc, in order to entice others to participate Lol No more apt name.
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Post by marrcus on Apr 16, 2013 0:35:37 GMT -5
"getting straight up dominated." ------------------------------------ I'm beginning to think "Jr" can't get a bat on anything: a fly ball sacrifice (maybe)?
They are going to need another OF if they should get unlucky with an inj., and are in it for the long run this season. I have no memory of Carp out there, prob' horrible?
Can't think of anybody I'd like to target but with a lot of teams hanging around it may be harder to come up with something than you'd think. Maybe FA David DeJesus from Theo/Cubs?
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Post by jmei on Apr 16, 2013 10:30:41 GMT -5
There's actually quite a bit of outfield depth in the system. In addition to the guys already on the major-league team (Bradley, Nava, Gomes, Carp), there's Maier, who can play solid defense at all three OF positions, though with his anemic bat, he'd pretty much only be viable in center field. As emergency, 4th string CF depth, he's not terrible. At the outfield corners, there's Brentz, Linares, Hazelbaker (could also play CF in a pinch), and Hassan (already on the 40-man), none of whom are much worse than replacement level, and all of whom have options remaining.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 16, 2013 15:50:58 GMT -5
JBJ has a very low BABIP as well (.167). His K% is high, but so is his BB%. He's not ready, but reading these posts it seems like he's a long way to go. It's worth notice that BJ Upton has similar numbers with a higher BABIP. BABIP is most useful in context of batted ball data. JBJ has a GB% of just under 74%. He's beating the ball into the ground and making poor contact. To compare, Upton's at around 51% for GB%, but his problem is he's not hitting very many line drives - fewer than Bradley in fact. LD-GB-FB Upton: 10.3-51.7-37.9 Bradley: 15.8-73.7-10.5 Bradley's numbers--high BB and K numbers, high GB%--indicate a player who is overmatched. Yes, a high BB number is good generally, but in this context it usually will indicate passivity from a player who feels he can't hit most of the pitches he sees and is smart enough to take them.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 16, 2013 18:05:30 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad you're not making the "Pedroia struggled in April!" argument, but I've heard it more than a few times already. Also, screw Curt Schilling -- MY assessment that Bradley should continue to be developed in the minors has proved prophetic. shill (??l) — n slang a confidence trickster's assistant, esp a person who poses as an ordinary customer, gambler, etc, in order to entice others to participate Lol No more apt name. Wow! How soon you, Fenway, Jackie and perhaps others forget. Without Shilling we might not have won 2 World Series...particularly that in '04 when he performed heroically to end the 86 year curse. I didn't think that you were suffering from "early onset Alzheimer's" but.... I suspect that he rubs some people the wrong way for other reasons. I have no idea about his business enterprise but at least he was willing to take the risk. More power. I have seen him portrayed in the media (CHB) and perhaps elsewhere as a blowhard and self-righteous. (And CHB is not?). To me, he is honest, authentic and frank...qualities that I admire. Certainly his views appear conservative rather than "string" but is that ipso facto wrong? Hey, I like Shill. He was a great pitcher and, at least to ESPN, a valued commentator. I am glad that he was and is part of Boston lore. Who among us can claim the faintest of equal accomplishment?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 16, 2013 18:44:02 GMT -5
Schilling is as responsible as anyone for the Red Sox '04 World Series title. He's also a loudmouthed idiot who flushed tens of millions of Rhode Island tax payer dollars down the toilet on an ill-conceived, poorly managed vanity project. Both those things are true. It's a personal decision as to which you care about more.
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Post by jmei on Apr 16, 2013 19:31:22 GMT -5
Schilling the player was great. Schilling the "media personality" is insufferable, even separate from the video game stuff. I hate that former players get the presumption that their opinions are informed or interesting or matter. Frankly, 95% of former players make for terrible analysts. I get that their reputation gets casual viewers/readers to tune in, so it might be a wise business decision for the network, but for fans like me (sabermetrically-inclined diehards), I find them incredibly annoying.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 16, 2013 19:45:39 GMT -5
Schilling the player was great. Schilling the "media personality" is insufferable, even separate from the video game stuff. I hate that former players get the presumption that their opinions are informed or interesting or matter. Frankly, 95% of former players make for terrible analysts. I get that their reputation gets casual viewers/readers to tune in, so it might be a wise business decision for the network, but for fans like me ( sabermetrically-inclined diehards), I find them incredibly annoying. It's not even a stathead thing, though. You don't get good scouting info from former players, either. You get regurgitated conventional wisdom.
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 16, 2013 19:49:28 GMT -5
Schilling the player was great. Schilling the "media personality" is insufferable, even separate from the video game stuff. I hate that former players get the presumption that their opinions are informed or interesting or matter. Frankly, 95% of former players make for terrible analysts. I get that their reputation gets casual viewers/readers to tune in, so it might be a wise business decision for the network, but for fans like me ( sabermetrically-inclined diehards), I find them incredibly annoying. It's not even a stathead thing, though. You don't get good scouting info from former players, either. You get regurgitated conventional wisdom. I agree, but it is odd in Schilling's case, I think. TO my knowledge, he was known as one of the most prepared pitchers of his era. You'd think he might have a little more to offer. oh well.
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Post by jmei on Apr 16, 2013 20:01:17 GMT -5
What it really is that most announcers who were former players just don't work hard enough at their new job. They think their playing experience gives them "unique insight into the game" and so they don't read the scouting reports or do research and are thus terrible and full of cliches. Worse, they're twice as loud as everyone else and drown out the guys who actually know what they're talking about.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 16, 2013 23:04:07 GMT -5
It's not even a stathead thing, though. You don't get good scouting info from former players, either. You get regurgitated conventional wisdom. I agree, but it is odd in Schilling's case, I think. TO my knowledge, he was known as one of the most prepared pitchers of his era. You'd think he might have a little more to offer. oh well. I would rather ESPN/NESN hire professional scouts as on air personalities instead of former players (Jim Bowden was not really a scout). They do have some statisticians now, which is nice, and Keith Law does do some scouting. Being a TV analyst is a completely different skill set than being a player, just like being a front office executive is a different skill set. MLB teams have learned that former players do not necessarily make good GMs, but the networks have yet to learn the same lesson.
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Post by mainesox on Apr 16, 2013 23:46:02 GMT -5
What it really is that most announcers who were former players just don't work hard enough at their new job. They think their playing experience gives them "unique insight into the game" and so they don't read the scouting reports or do research and are thus terrible and full of cliches. Worse, they're twice as loud as everyone else and drown out the guys who actually know what they're talking about. Maybe this is only tangentially related, but I find Rice insufferable to listen to, and I love when they put Eck on - neither one is terribly insightful, and Eck probably uses more cliches than Rice does, but he's entertaining and likable which, at least for me, plays as big a part as the insight they may provide. Schilling was an outstanding baseball player, and played a huge part in bringing those WS titles to Boston; likable and entertaining aren't adjectives you usually hear used to describe him though.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 18, 2013 19:26:30 GMT -5
Schilling is as responsible as anyone for the Red Sox '04 World Series title. He's also a loudmouthed idiot who flushed tens of millions of Rhode Island tax payer dollars down the toilet on an ill-conceived, poorly managed vanity project. Both those things are true. It's a personal decision as to which you care about more. Hey, I don't know the basis for your saying that Schill had an "ill-conceived, poorly managed vanity project"...or that it is "true" in any way. That is your opinion. And, I don't care one bit either way. To me, he is a Red Sox hero, pure and simple. That is how I judge him primarily. I think that Schilling somehow offends some people. I am not one of them. I find his ESPN commentary insightful just as I do that of Eckersley on NESN. As an aside, I am not a fan of Rice's input. Shilling has more cred than you do Fenway (sorry, but true and not personal) and certainly me in assessing Bradley's ability to and prospect of jumping from a short stint in AA to Boston. The Sox are doing great so let's enjoy that ride.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 18, 2013 20:01:33 GMT -5
Hey, I don't know the basis for your saying that Schill had an "ill-conceived, poorly managed vanity project"...or that it is "true" in any way. That is your opinion. It's not "an opinion", and your lack of information is not my problem. Besides wasting the public funds of a state that doesn't really have the money to waste, the whole thing is doubly offensive given Schilling's (highly public, natch) political views. As Charlie Pierce so eloquently stated, "Curt is a 'small government' conservative. He would like the government to be just small enough to fit into his wallet." I'll never deny that Schilling is a Red Sox hero. But baseball is ultimately just a game, it doesn't actually matter. What he did in Rhode Island actually does.
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