mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Jul 16, 2022 17:38:52 GMT -5
Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying a team would trade for him that thought he was for sure leaving when he's a fa but I could see a team dealing for him without an extension in place. If it won them a WS it'd be worth it whether he left or not. I don’t think this is agree to disagree, because I don’t think what you’re proposing is even the least bit logical. Has there ever been a precedent of a team taking that risk when destroying the farm system for a prospect that wasn’t old? I'm with Ematz. I bet a trade happens without extension.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 16, 2022 17:58:03 GMT -5
I don’t think this is agree to disagree, because I don’t think what you’re proposing is even the least bit logical. Has there ever been a precedent of a team taking that risk when destroying the farm system for a prospect that wasn’t old? I'm with Ematz. I bet a trade happens without extension. Again, based on what?
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 16, 2022 18:12:50 GMT -5
I disagree, he's not an FA for two more seasons after this one. It really wouldn't surprise me if some team wanting to go all in on a WS in the next 3 seasons said you know what he's the missing piece and worry about the extension later. There is 0 chance anyone would do that given what he’s going to cost Part of the problem is that Soto's dirty little secret, that he's a terrible OF, is a much better kept secret than Devers's...
Soto is 8th out of 9 qualified RFs in FG's Def metric -- ahead of only Nick Castellanos. Open it up to 400 innings played and he's 13th out of 14... meanwhile, Raffy is 10th out of 16 qualified 3B...
Makes giving Soto Trout money a big mistake...
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 16, 2022 18:17:27 GMT -5
There is 0 chance anyone would do that given what he’s going to cost Part of the problem is that Soto's dirty little secret, that he's a terrible OF, is a much better kept secret than Devers's...
Soto is 8th out of 9 qualified RFs in FG's Def metric -- ahead of only Nick Castellanos. Open it up to 400 innings played and he's 13th out of 14... meanwhile, Raffy is 10th out of 16 qualified 3B...
Makes giving Soto Trout money a big mistake...
Not that I think Soto ever plays an inning for Boston, gifted hitters are born, adequate fielders are made.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 16, 2022 21:08:07 GMT -5
Is he a bad outfielder, or does he just not give a damn this year?
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Post by cdj on Jul 16, 2022 21:09:16 GMT -5
Is he a bad outfielder, or does he just not give a damn this year? Bad outfielder, never has been good
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Post by Guidas on Jul 16, 2022 21:10:15 GMT -5
Maybe the Angels should trade for Soto so that they have the 3 best players in the world, with no depth, no payroll flexibility and can continue missing the playoffs. I notice the Dodgers first pick is #40 this year and it's not because they signed a free agent with a QO. The goal is sustainability, not a 3 Hall of Fame players team and a bunch of veterans on minor league deals. The Angels will have to make a decision to either extend Ohtani for whatever he wants and then trade Trout because their owner will not spend more than a certain amount on payroll, or, if they can’t get agreement from Ohtani (and if he wants to win, why would he stay now that he’s proven his two-way abilities and there’s a universal DH?) then trade Ohtani for the best return they can get.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 16, 2022 21:48:05 GMT -5
Is he a bad outfielder, or does he just not give a damn this year? Bad outfielder, never has been good Sure, not elite, but you don't go from 90% percentile to 1st% in OAA for no good reason
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 16, 2022 22:08:18 GMT -5
Bad outfielder, never has been good Sure, not elite, but you don't go from 90% percentile to 1st% in OAA for no good reason He actually oscillates wildly in that. 2022: 1st percentile 2021: 90th 2020: 14th 2019: 91st 2018: 9th
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 16, 2022 23:00:51 GMT -5
Sure, not elite, but you don't go from 90% percentile to 1st% in OAA for no good reason He actually oscillates wildly in that. 2022: 1st percentile 2021: 90th 2020: 14th 2019: 91st 2018: 9th So you're saying bet the house on a 2023 gold glove?
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 17, 2022 9:56:29 GMT -5
Padres supposedly interested in Soto. Nothing imminent but obviously they have the pieces and prospects to get a deal done.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 17, 2022 10:12:42 GMT -5
Padres supposedly interested in Sosa. Nothing imminent but obviously they have the pieces and prospects to get a deal done. Interesting. He’s 53 years old, but I guess when your window is open you do what you can.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 17, 2022 12:06:25 GMT -5
Sure, not elite, but you don't go from 90% percentile to 1st% in OAA for no good reason He actually oscillates wildly in that. 2022: 1st percentile 2021: 90th 2020: 14th 2019: 91st 2018: 9th Seems like he'd be a perfect fit for LF.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 17, 2022 12:06:55 GMT -5
Padres supposedly interested in Sosa. Nothing imminent but obviously they have the pieces and prospects to get a deal done. And AJ Preller, who is, if anything, bold.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 17, 2022 14:09:31 GMT -5
If Sale has a broken finger on his pitching hand, I'm selling.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 17, 2022 14:37:42 GMT -5
Time to sell
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 17, 2022 14:41:17 GMT -5
Sell all impending FAs and reload for next year. Wacha Nate JD and apparently Xander since this ownership doesn't want him anymore.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 17, 2022 15:46:25 GMT -5
I like the idea of selling Xander, Eovaldi, JDM, Vasquez, eating all of the money (save for however much is needed to get us under the luxury tax) and going into next season with a clear Top 5 farm system and a **** ton of money for Chaim to spend.
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Post by nomar on Jul 17, 2022 15:56:32 GMT -5
I like the idea of selling Xander, Eovaldi, JDM, Vasquez, eating all of the money (save for however much is needed to get us under the luxury tax) and going into next season with a clear Top 5 farm system and a shit ton of money for Chaim to spend. It’s hard to commit to selling when you have a playoff spot, but for the sake of the future, I think it’s probably best to sell. The Sox have 3 above average hitters on the team, and 2 are ready to walk next offseason. Casas is the only impact bat close to the majors. I just don’t see enough talent on this roster to beat the top tier teams this year, so I’d like to use the chance to stock up for the future.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Jul 17, 2022 16:07:59 GMT -5
With Sale breaking his finger today and the teams performance this season against the AL East it time to sell.
Strong: Eovaldi JDM Vasquez Wacha
Only if you are getting "lottery prospects": Xander
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Post by carl4sox on Jul 17, 2022 16:29:29 GMT -5
CVas is having a great year -- I'd hang onto him. Very good situational batting, and stellar defense.
Instead of Soto, take that money, keep our prospects, resignXander and extend Raffy.
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Post by cdj on Jul 17, 2022 17:11:33 GMT -5
The notion that many of you decided this team is a seller based off an injury to a guy that hasn’t been healthy in 4 years is very LOL
Sales injury shouldn’t really impact your calculus that much. I was pleasantly surprised last week and thought his impact may have been understated after his performance, but that’s because I viewed his potential impact as negligible given a total inability to stay healthy
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Post by radiohix on Jul 17, 2022 17:22:45 GMT -5
I woulda loved to see the 2020 Trade deadline thread on the BravesProspects.com forum after Ronald Acuna got hurt and was out for the season.
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Post by cdj on Jul 17, 2022 17:23:53 GMT -5
I woulda loved to see the 2020 Trade deadline thread on the BravesProspects.com forum after Ronald Acuna got hurt and was out for the season. And that’s an actual needle mover with a guy they depended on We aren’t depending on Sale in 2022. He’s a luxury if he’s healthy at this point I think selling is a reasonable stance but I wouldn’t be basing my decision on an injury to Sale, that’s for sure
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Post by jdb on Jul 17, 2022 17:25:55 GMT -5
They tried to upgrade from Vaz this winter I would imagine they’d be open to trading him. I wonder if Verdugo could be an option. I would like him in RF but I’m not crazy about his bat in LF at Fenway.
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