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7/11-7/14 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by manfred on Jul 15, 2022 9:06:08 GMT -5
Okay, no one complaining about 1B is willing to offer an alternative course of action, apparently. So let me try: the Mariners didn't give up much to get Carlos Santana from KC, and Bloom surely could have beaten their offer if he wanted to. Santana was worth 0.3 WAR with a wRC+ in the high 80s in 2020-21, but he's bounced back a little this season with a 112 wRC+. He costs $9 million and is a free agent at the end of the year. Should Bloom have gotten Santana to replace Dalbec? Now you are talking! Sure. Would do. And if the money is an issue, don’t sign Paxton. Books balanced.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2022 9:17:30 GMT -5
Okay, no one complaining about 1B is willing to offer an alternative course of action, apparently. So let me try: the Mariners didn't give up much to get Carlos Santana from KC, and Bloom surely could have beaten their offer if he wanted to. Santana was worth 0.3 WAR with a wRC+ in the high 80s in 2020-21, but he's bounced back a little this season with a 112 wRC+. He costs $9 million and is a free agent at the end of the year. Should Bloom have gotten Santana to replace Dalbec? Now you are talking! Sure. Would do. And if the money is an issue, don’t sign Paxton. Books balanced. Well, I doubt he was available in the offseason for a reasonable price. I'm not assuming the books have to be balanced in this scenario, but if they do it would mean ditching payroll in-season. (Trading JDM? Or giving up a quality prospect to get rid of Barnes?)
I would also assume getting Santana would take the Red Sox out of the market for Bell. Though I guess in theory they could still add Bell and flip Santana again...
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 15, 2022 9:27:41 GMT -5
Now you are talking! Sure. Would do. And if the money is an issue, don’t sign Paxton. Books balanced. Well, I doubt he was available in the offseason for a reasonable price. I'm not assuming the books have to be balanced in this scenario, but if they do it would mean ditching payroll in-season. (Trading JDM? Or giving up a quality prospect to get rid of Barnes?)
I would also assume getting Santana would take the Red Sox out of the market for Bell. Though I guess in theory they could still add Bell and flip Santana again...
Or attach a guy like diekman/ask royals to pay however much the sox would need to stay under whatever threshold they have setup for payroll and add an extra prospect. It certainly was easily doable I would think. Santana is paid about 9 mil and was dealt roughly 1/3 of the way through the season so we're talking adding 6ish million I would assume.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 15, 2022 10:45:32 GMT -5
To Bloom’s credit he did try to get Santana last year at the deadline. My issue is he has done basically nothing to even try to fix 1B or OF, and he is planning our OF around two pretty mediocre guys, Kiké (who is a FA at the end of the year) and Verdugo.
I am aware Casas may be ready soon but I think its reasonable to say riding Dalbec like this has materially damaged our chances of a playoff spot.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2022 10:52:57 GMT -5
To Bloom’s credit he did try to get Santana last year at the deadline. My issue is he has done basically nothing to even try to fix 1B or OF, and he is planning our OF around two pretty mediocre guys, Kiké (who is a FA at the end of the year) and Verdugo. Oh, this is your complaint about the outfield? Not the JBJ/poor roster construction issue? That explains why you are lumping it in with the very different situation at 1B - you just think the team should have higher quality players, but don't want to explain how they could get those players without adding payroll.
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Post by manfred on Jul 15, 2022 11:33:10 GMT -5
To Bloom’s credit he did try to get Santana last year at the deadline. My issue is he has done basically nothing to even try to fix 1B or OF, and he is planning our OF around two pretty mediocre guys, Kiké (who is a FA at the end of the year) and Verdugo. Oh, this is your complaint about the outfield? Not the JBJ/poor roster construction issue? That explains why you are lumping it in with the very different situation at 1B - you just think the team should have higher quality players, but don't want to explain how they could get those players without adding payroll. I am not necessarily disagreeing with your stance entirely, but you are also basically absolving the Sox of any flaws. One can kind a shrug and say “what ya gunna do?” to anything. But genius GMs are paid to answer these questions. And look… we can call it “roster building,” but there is not much *building* happening. There is some tear down, and there is anticipated salary space. They signed Story, maybe the only instance in Bloom’s tenure where he actually improved a position, but that is clearly in advance of X walking, in which case they will be weaker at yet another position (shortstop). At some point it is not a fan’s job to make the team better… it is the guy who gets paid to do it. At this point, I’d say he has had 2 masterstrokes: Whitlock and Pivetta. But I don’t see a great deal of *building* — I mean, even his pitching signings — Hill, Wacha, and Paxton — is hardly future oriented. They are brief contracts, so fine… money opened. But that is still not *building* — it is deferring. But… what is he supposed to do?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 15, 2022 11:51:54 GMT -5
What's the right move in the 7th?
Start with Davis to face LH, RH, LH allowing TB to start to use their RH pinch-hitters?
Or Schreiber, to keep the weak lefties in the game?
The same 3 were coming around in the 9th to face Houck
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 15, 2022 12:22:06 GMT -5
To Bloom’s credit he did try to get Santana last year at the deadline. My issue is he has done basically nothing to even try to fix 1B or OF, and he is planning our OF around two pretty mediocre guys, Kiké (who is a FA at the end of the year) and Verdugo. Oh, this is your complaint about the outfield? Not the JBJ/poor roster construction issue? That explains why you are lumping it in with the very different situation at 1B - you just think the team should have higher quality players, but don't want to explain how they could get those players without adding payroll. Huh? No the JBJ thing made sense to me. Took on a bad contract for a guy who is a great defensive replacement. Your last bit here doesn’t make sense to me. The Red Sox went under the cap and reset it so now they should have room to go over it to get an average guy to play first. Bloom has basically done nothing in either of these areas… so part of my issue is the straight up inaction… are we contending or rebuilding? We have a lot of impending free agents on the roster and he didn’t trade any of them either. Its not clear at all and reminds me a lot of the Minnesota Twins type of approach.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2022 12:48:11 GMT -5
Oh, this is your complaint about the outfield? Not the JBJ/poor roster construction issue? That explains why you are lumping it in with the very different situation at 1B - you just think the team should have higher quality players, but don't want to explain how they could get those players without adding payroll. Huh? No the JBJ thing made sense to me. Took on a bad contract for a guy who is a great defensive replacement. Your last bit here doesn’t make sense to me. The Red Sox went under the cap and reset it so now they should have room to go over it to get an average guy to play first. Bloom has basically done nothing in either of these areas… so part of my issue is the straight up inaction… are we contending or rebuilding? We have a lot of impending free agents on the roster and he didn’t trade any of them either. Its not clear at all and reminds me a lot of the Minnesota Twins type of approach. I'll give this one last shot: which "average first baseman" should Bloom have acquired, and for what price?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 15, 2022 13:00:48 GMT -5
Huh? No the JBJ thing made sense to me. Took on a bad contract for a guy who is a great defensive replacement. Your last bit here doesn’t make sense to me. The Red Sox went under the cap and reset it so now they should have room to go over it to get an average guy to play first. Bloom has basically done nothing in either of these areas… so part of my issue is the straight up inaction… are we contending or rebuilding? We have a lot of impending free agents on the roster and he didn’t trade any of them either. Its not clear at all and reminds me a lot of the Minnesota Twins type of approach. I'll give this one last shot: which "average first baseman" should Bloom have acquired, and for what price? I really did not realize how bleak the free agent options were. I looked at sportrac at first baseman and outside of freeman and rizzo who they obviously weren't going to pony up for either it's not even slim pickings it's absolutely no pickings. If you check out 3rd baseman with the assumption they can play first it's not much better with the exception of Brandon Drury which if someone wants to sit here and tell me honestly they knew he'd be on fire and a close to 2 WAR player through half the season then please tell me the lotto numbers for this week because nobody could reasonably expect him to be doing what he's doing. That's also assuming he could play a passable first base full time seeing how he's mostly played 2nd and 3rd with games at first here and there. So basically yes there was not a realistic option for them to have upgraded first base this offseason. If someone wants to say Santana now then sure but that still wouldn't have helped the first 1/3 of the season and maybe someone better will be available at the deadline anyway.
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Post by manfred on Jul 15, 2022 13:47:42 GMT -5
Huh? No the JBJ thing made sense to me. Took on a bad contract for a guy who is a great defensive replacement. Your last bit here doesn’t make sense to me. The Red Sox went under the cap and reset it so now they should have room to go over it to get an average guy to play first. Bloom has basically done nothing in either of these areas… so part of my issue is the straight up inaction… are we contending or rebuilding? We have a lot of impending free agents on the roster and he didn’t trade any of them either. Its not clear at all and reminds me a lot of the Minnesota Twins type of approach. I'll give this one last shot: which "average first baseman" should Bloom have acquired, and for what price? That still assumes we ought to be doing Bloom’s job for him. Here is another thing: 2020: they trade Moreland and use Chavis at 1b. They go into that off-season and say, hey, we have a relatively unheralded prospect in Bobby Dalbec so 2021: they go with Dalbec, who mostly lives up to his unheralded status. But there are streaks so 2022: they not only stick with him, but they don’t even get a living backup. I’m not sure there was a person not named Mrs. Shaw who thought he was going to help. So it is not a question of one FA class. It is a few years of poor planning. I mean, maybe Marwin or Danny Santana was the big play? Don’t know. But just saying, hey, you couldn’t do better is not a defense, any more than saying, “hey, you’d strike out even more than Franchy!” Indeed, I would.
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Post by cdj on Jul 15, 2022 13:56:59 GMT -5
I'll give this one last shot: which "average first baseman" should Bloom have acquired, and for what price? That still assumes we ought to be doing Bloom’s job for him. Here is another thing: 2020: they trade Moreland and use Chavis at 1b. They go into that off-season and say, hey, we have a relatively unheralded prospect in Bobby Dalbec so 2021: they go with Dalbec, who mostly lives up to his unheralded status. But there are streaks so 2022: they not only stick with him, but they don’t even get a living backup. I’m not sure there was a person not named Mrs. Shaw who thought he was going to help. So it is not a question of one FA class. It is a few years of poor planning. I mean, maybe Marwin or Danny Santana was the big play? Don’t know. But just saying, hey, you couldn’t do better is not a defense, any more than saying, “hey, you’d strike out even more than Franchy!” Indeed, I would. The plan behind Dalbec was Casas. You can’t predict sprained ankles, believe it or not. They clearly felt like it was better to invest their money into other spots, and I definitely agree with that, given Casas is a AAA hot streak away from a promotion upon his return to Worcester
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Post by manfred on Jul 15, 2022 14:02:43 GMT -5
That still assumes we ought to be doing Bloom’s job for him. Here is another thing: 2020: they trade Moreland and use Chavis at 1b. They go into that off-season and say, hey, we have a relatively unheralded prospect in Bobby Dalbec so 2021: they go with Dalbec, who mostly lives up to his unheralded status. But there are streaks so 2022: they not only stick with him, but they don’t even get a living backup. I’m not sure there was a person not named Mrs. Shaw who thought he was going to help. So it is not a question of one FA class. It is a few years of poor planning. I mean, maybe Marwin or Danny Santana was the big play? Don’t know. But just saying, hey, you couldn’t do better is not a defense, any more than saying, “hey, you’d strike out even more than Franchy!” Indeed, I would. The plan behind Dalbec was Casas. You can’t predict sprained ankles, believe it or not. They clearly felt like it was better to invest their money into other spots, and I definitely agree with that, given Casas is a AAA hot streak away from a promotion upon his return to Worcester Maybe. I’m enthusiastic about Casas, but he had 9 AAA games going into this year. That is still pretty risky.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2022 14:04:26 GMT -5
I'll give this one last shot: which "average first baseman" should Bloom have acquired, and for what price? That still assumes we ought to be doing Bloom’s job for him. Here is another thing: 2020: they trade Moreland and use Chavis at 1b. They go into that off-season and say, hey, we have a relatively unheralded prospect in Bobby Dalbec so 2021: they go with Dalbec, who mostly lives up to his unheralded status. But there are streaks so 2022: they not only stick with him, but they don’t even get a living backup. I’m not sure there was a person not named Mrs. Shaw who thought he was going to help. So it is not a question of one FA class. It is a few years of poor planning. I mean, maybe Marwin or Danny Santana was the big play? Don’t know. But just saying, hey, you couldn’t do better is not a defense, any more than saying, “hey, you’d strike out even more than Franchy!” Indeed, I would. I'm not saying "you couldn't do better" as a way to shut down the debate, I'm saying there *was no better alternative* and asking people to prove me wrong. But apparently no one can - just endless statements like yours: "well he simply should have gotten a better first baseman." I'm trying to make the distinction between the 1B and OF situations because there are totally legitimate criticisms of how he handled the outfield. This is not some kneejerk Bloom defense. But this started with someone claiming that his handling of 1B was a firable offense, and I think that's silly. ---- Here's the best steelman I can come up with for you guys: the 2020-2022 sequence you describe... actually looks totally reasonable. Right up to the point that they signed Shaw as backup 1B. That was indeed a bad move. Both Colin Moran and Vogelbach seem like they would have been better options going into this season. As it turns out, Moran has stunk and Vogelbach has been decent. I don't know if the Red Sox considered either of them or why they thought Shaw was a better option, but that seems like a mistake. So Bloom could have gotten a better backup first baseman, is what this all amounts to.
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Post by manfred on Jul 15, 2022 14:09:51 GMT -5
That still assumes we ought to be doing Bloom’s job for him. Here is another thing: 2020: they trade Moreland and use Chavis at 1b. They go into that off-season and say, hey, we have a relatively unheralded prospect in Bobby Dalbec so 2021: they go with Dalbec, who mostly lives up to his unheralded status. But there are streaks so 2022: they not only stick with him, but they don’t even get a living backup. I’m not sure there was a person not named Mrs. Shaw who thought he was going to help. So it is not a question of one FA class. It is a few years of poor planning. I mean, maybe Marwin or Danny Santana was the big play? Don’t know. But just saying, hey, you couldn’t do better is not a defense, any more than saying, “hey, you’d strike out even more than Franchy!” Indeed, I would. I'm not saying "you couldn't do better" as a way to shut down the debate, I'm saying there *was no better alternative* and asking people to prove me wrong. But apparently no one can - just endless statements like yours: "well he simply should have gotten a better first baseman." I'm trying to make the distinction between the 1B and OF situations because there are totally legitimate criticisms of how he handled the outfield. This is not some kneejerk Bloom defense. But this started with someone claiming that his handling of 1B was a firable offense, and I think that's silly. ---- Here's the best steelman I can come up with for you guys: the 2020-2022 sequence you describe... actually looks totally reasonable. Right up to the point that they signed Shaw as backup 1B. That was indeed a bad move. Both Colin Moran and Vogelbach seem like they would have been better options going into this season. As it turns out, Moran has stunk and Vogelbach has been decent. I don't know if the Red Sox considered either of them or why they thought Shaw was a better option, but that seems like a mistake. So Bloom could have gotten a better backup first baseman, is what this all amounts to. Ok, last thing. What I’d really have done is not sign Paxton or Story, signed Freeman. Then, I figure middle infield is actually a strength of my farm system, so in the next few years, X or no X, I have Downs, Mayer, and Yorke on the way and won’t miss Story. At first, when Casas is ready, he and Freeman can duke it out to see who replaces JDM when he walks. And that salary slot gets folded into that Freeman contract.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 15, 2022 14:13:52 GMT -5
I'll give this one last shot: which "average first baseman" should Bloom have acquired, and for what price? That still assumes we ought to be doing Bloom’s job for him. Here is another thing: 2020: they trade Moreland and use Chavis at 1b. They go into that off-season and say, hey, we have a relatively unheralded prospect in Bobby Dalbec so 2021: they go with Dalbec, who mostly lives up to his unheralded status. But there are streaks so 2022: they not only stick with him, but they don’t even get a living backup. I’m not sure there was a person not named Mrs. Shaw who thought he was going to help. So it is not a question of one FA class. It is a few years of poor planning. I mean, maybe Marwin or Danny Santana was the big play? Don’t know. But just saying, hey, you couldn’t do better is not a defense, any more than saying, “hey, you’d strike out even more than Franchy!” Indeed, I would. I think you make a valid point. We fans aren't responsible for building the team and I would expect a well paid professional to make better decisions than the smartest of our fans out here. Maybe it was slim pickings at 1b, but for all we know there's a guy stuck on the bench or in AAA not getting a crack at the Red Sox 1b job that we haven't even considered that perhaps Bloom should have considered. I think the downgrade of RF to JBJ with his extra salary wasn't worth the prospects unless Binelas becomes a useful regular, which is still subject to debate. Perhaps the deal would be worth it if they had a better RF replacement plan than JBJ. And like you said Paxton could be more money spent that doesnt help the team. For that kind of money they could have kept Schwarber or had gotten a closer of some sort because it's not surprising that the Sox have been killed by too many games going from the win column into the loss column instead and now the Sox position, given their remaining schedule, is indeed precarious.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 15, 2022 14:17:57 GMT -5
I'm not saying "you couldn't do better" as a way to shut down the debate, I'm saying there *was no better alternative* and asking people to prove me wrong. But apparently no one can - just endless statements like yours: "well he simply should have gotten a better first baseman." I'm trying to make the distinction between the 1B and OF situations because there are totally legitimate criticisms of how he handled the outfield. This is not some kneejerk Bloom defense. But this started with someone claiming that his handling of 1B was a firable offense, and I think that's silly. ---- Here's the best steelman I can come up with for you guys: the 2020-2022 sequence you describe... actually looks totally reasonable. Right up to the point that they signed Shaw as backup 1B. That was indeed a bad move. Both Colin Moran and Vogelbach seem like they would have been better options going into this season. As it turns out, Moran has stunk and Vogelbach has been decent. I don't know if the Red Sox considered either of them or why they thought Shaw was a better option, but that seems like a mistake. So Bloom could have gotten a better backup first baseman, is what this all amounts to. Ok, last thing. What I’d really have done is not sign Paxton or Story, signed Freeman. Then, I figure middle infield is actually a strength of my farm system, so in the next few years, X or no X, I have Downs, Mayer, and Yorke on the way and won’t miss Story. At first, when Casas is ready, he and Freeman can duke it out to see who replaces JDM when he walks. And that salary slot gets folded into that Freeman contract. I'm guessing you would not actually be satisfied about this alternate reality where the occasionally available Christian Arroyo is your starting 2B, with uh, Jonathan Arauz and Jeter Downs playing every day when he's not around
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 15, 2022 14:20:42 GMT -5
In terms of Paxton for all we know he comes back strong as ever and gives them 2.5ish years of being a number 3 starter for basically not even 5th starter money since the contract can reach 35 mil over 3 years if the options are exercised. I'm not going to sit here until we see how he comes back and say they shouldn't have signed him.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2022 14:21:25 GMT -5
I'm not saying "you couldn't do better" as a way to shut down the debate, I'm saying there *was no better alternative* and asking people to prove me wrong. But apparently no one can - just endless statements like yours: "well he simply should have gotten a better first baseman." I'm trying to make the distinction between the 1B and OF situations because there are totally legitimate criticisms of how he handled the outfield. This is not some kneejerk Bloom defense. But this started with someone claiming that his handling of 1B was a firable offense, and I think that's silly. ---- Here's the best steelman I can come up with for you guys: the 2020-2022 sequence you describe... actually looks totally reasonable. Right up to the point that they signed Shaw as backup 1B. That was indeed a bad move. Both Colin Moran and Vogelbach seem like they would have been better options going into this season. As it turns out, Moran has stunk and Vogelbach has been decent. I don't know if the Red Sox considered either of them or why they thought Shaw was a better option, but that seems like a mistake. So Bloom could have gotten a better backup first baseman, is what this all amounts to. Ok, last thing. What I’d really have done is not sign Paxton or Story, signed Freeman. Then, I figure middle infield is actually a strength of my farm system, so in the next few years, X or no X, I have Downs, Mayer, and Yorke on the way and won’t miss Story. At first, when Casas is ready, he and Freeman can duke it out to see who replaces JDM when he walks. And that salary slot gets folded into that Freeman contract. Okay, that's not a crazy take! I wouldn't have done it because having Freeman through age 37 would scare me - big chance that he's a below average DH making $25 million a year - and it leaves the middle infield potentially weak for at least several seasons (and maybe longer - no guarantees about Mayer and Yorke...). But in this scenario they could've traded Dalbec in the offseason, which in retrospect wouldn't exactly have been selling low. Also they'd probably have to sign one of the big FA shortstops next offseason, whether that's Bogaerts or one of the others.
The other thing is that in this scenario the Red Sox have to outbid the Dodgers, so who knows how much Freeman would have ended up costing.
At the end of the day, it made sense to me that they would keep the guy making league minimum who demonstrated a really high ceiling last year at 1B while their top prospect sat waiting in the wings at that same position, and opted to invest at other positions instead. But the alternate history here is intriguing.
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Post by manfred on Jul 15, 2022 14:21:44 GMT -5
Ok, last thing. What I’d really have done is not sign Paxton or Story, signed Freeman. Then, I figure middle infield is actually a strength of my farm system, so in the next few years, X or no X, I have Downs, Mayer, and Yorke on the way and won’t miss Story. At first, when Casas is ready, he and Freeman can duke it out to see who replaces JDM when he walks. And that salary slot gets folded into that Freeman contract. I'm guessing you would not actually be satisfied about this alternate reality where the occasionally available Christian Arroyo is your starting 2B, with uh, Jonathan Arauz and Jeter Downs playing every day when he's not around Well, it might have created other issues, yes, because I would probably view Kiké as my 2b, try to get one more ok OF, go with Verdugo, JBJ, outfielder X, and eventually Duran.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 15, 2022 14:26:14 GMT -5
Since Devers came up, the Red Sox farm system has produced Tanner Houck and his 4 WAR, a couple of Josh Taylor WAR and that's pretty much it. Young guys making peanuts are the lifeblood of a baseball team, and the Red Sox rank at the bottom of the league in producing them the last 5 years. This team is supposed to be a dumpster fire right now, but Chaim has pulled a rabbit out of the hat and given us a couple of fringe contender seasons.
You don't get to have the best team in baseball when you go five years without producing any talent. Them's the breaks.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2022 14:27:22 GMT -5
I'm guessing you would not actually be satisfied about this alternate reality where the occasionally available Christian Arroyo is your starting 2B, with uh, Jonathan Arauz and Jeter Downs playing every day when he's not around Well, it might have created other issues, yes, because I would probably view Kiké as my 2b, try to get one more ok OF, go with Verdugo, JBJ, outfielder X, and eventually Duran. Back to "I simply would have gotten a better player." (Presumably with the money you wouldn't have spent on Paxton? Maybe Tommy Pham?)
It's interesting that you would stick with the Renfroe-JBJ trade.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 15, 2022 14:28:15 GMT -5
Huh? No the JBJ thing made sense to me. Took on a bad contract for a guy who is a great defensive replacement. Your last bit here doesn’t make sense to me. The Red Sox went under the cap and reset it so now they should have room to go over it to get an average guy to play first. Bloom has basically done nothing in either of these areas… so part of my issue is the straight up inaction… are we contending or rebuilding? We have a lot of impending free agents on the roster and he didn’t trade any of them either. Its not clear at all and reminds me a lot of the Minnesota Twins type of approach. I'll give this one last shot: which "average first baseman" should Bloom have acquired, and for what price? Bell Cooper Cron Santana Well there you go. If you think the Sox should be sellers… then fine, they should’ve sold off on JD or Eovaldi… and they still might although the price has gone down on both. Whatever they are doing now, neither selling nor seriously trying to contend is not helpful.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 15, 2022 14:30:31 GMT -5
I'll give this one last shot: which "average first baseman" should Bloom have acquired, and for what price? Bell Cooper Cron Santana Well there you go. If you think the Sox should be sellers… then fine, they should’ve sold off on JD or Eovaldi… and they still might although the price has gone down on both. Whatever they are doing now, neither selling nor seriously trying to contend is not helpful. As far as we know the only one of those 4 actually available for a reasonable price up to this point is Santana considering none of the other 3 have been dealt. That could change in the next 2+ weeks but still wouldn't have done them any good to this point in the season to say oh they should have acquired one of those first baseman for presumably more than they're worth if they weren't put on the market.
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Post by manfred on Jul 15, 2022 14:31:26 GMT -5
In terms of Paxton for all we know he comes back strong as ever and gives them 2.5ish years of being a number 3 starter for basically not even 5th starter money since the contract can reach 35 mil over 3 years if the options are exercised. I'm not going to sit here until we see how he comes back and say they shouldn't have signed him. Well, we *know* we won’t get 2.5 years from him since he’s not even throwing to batters yet. 2.2 is probably best-case scenario.
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