TearsIn04
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 17, 2022 13:02:20 GMT -5
More bad BB puts us in a hole early.
And now Sale's out. Again.
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Post by manfred on Jul 17, 2022 13:02:53 GMT -5
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Speechless.
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 17, 2022 13:03:02 GMT -5
That injury wouldn’t have happened without that bad throw…
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Post by nomar on Jul 17, 2022 13:03:56 GMT -5
Sale to the does not exist list
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jul 17, 2022 13:05:04 GMT -5
Can't he do a Ronnie Lott?
All kidding aside, Sale deserves better, I hope it's not as bad as it appeared
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 17, 2022 13:05:17 GMT -5
MotherF. Feel bad for Chris Sale
I am now officially back on Team Sell
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Post by radiohix on Jul 17, 2022 13:07:49 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jul 17, 2022 13:08:48 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski’s worst move - and what likely got him fired - wasn’t any trades or this mythical “gutting of the system.” It was resigning Sale, Pierce and (as much as he’s been money when he’s right) Eovaldi. It continues to haunt the Red Sox.
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Post by cdj on Jul 17, 2022 13:09:05 GMT -5
Can’t script this w/ Sale
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 17, 2022 13:12:01 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski’s worst move - and what likely got him fired - wasn’t any trades or this mythical “gutting of the system.” It was resigning, Sale, Pierce and (as much as he’s been money when he’s right) Eovaldi. It continues to haunt the Red Sox. Crazy thing is that Sale has given us nothing on this deal, but I still feel good about having him going forward for 2/55 with a a 20 million option
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 17, 2022 13:12:03 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski’s worst move - and what likely got him fired - wasn’t any trades or this mythical “gutting of the system.” It was resigning, Sale, Pierce and (as much as he’s been money when he’s right) Eovaldi. It continues to haunt the Red Sox. Eovaldi was a net good signing even accounting for 2019, but Sale has hurt with the limited production there. We can’t let Devers walk because of all the big ticket pitcher signings…
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Post by thelpc on Jul 17, 2022 13:12:05 GMT -5
That’s the end of the season if his fingers broken. Only hope this team had was all of the SPs getting and staying healthy. If Sale is gonna be out for significant time you might as well sell.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 17, 2022 13:13:08 GMT -5
A loss today will make us 5-14, starting with the Toronto series when we had the no-shows. CB should be exploring the buy market and the sell market at this point and be ready to go in one direction of the other at the deadline.
I lean toward sell. FG has us at 1.8 percent to win the WS. That will tick down after today. I'm not betting on that horse.
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 17, 2022 13:15:24 GMT -5
I’m on team sell though. We need a corner bat and it’s going to be too expensive to get it, otherwise I’d still feel ok about our chances. The extra wild card really changes the paradigm. In theory you should never sell because you’re almost never out, but if you’re decisive on selling you can get a haul
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 17, 2022 13:15:32 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski’s worst move - and what likely got him fired - wasn’t any trades or this mythical “gutting of the system.” It was resigning, Sale, Pierce and (as much as he’s been money when he’s right) Eovaldi. It continues to haunt the Red Sox. Crazy thing is that Sale has given us nothing on this deal, but I still feel good about having him going forward for 2/55 with a a 20 million option I hope some other team feels the same way. If someone else wants to take on all of that money and not make the RS eat some, put a splint on his finger and drive him to the airport.
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Post by manfred on Jul 17, 2022 13:22:32 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski’s worst move - and what likely got him fired - wasn’t any trades or this mythical “gutting of the system.” It was resigning, Sale, Pierce and (as much as he’s been money when he’s right) Eovaldi. It continues to haunt the Red Sox. This is a bit crazy. Eovaldi turned out to be a bargain. Pierce hardly broke the bank. He was not even a Garrett Richards. Sale was a miss. But I don’t think that was a move most GMs wouldn’t make. The Price deal was likely the biggest killer of the last 10 years. It may have helped get a title… but maybe not. Overall, though, it was a brutal anchor.
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 17, 2022 13:26:12 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski’s worst move - and what likely got him fired - wasn’t any trades or this mythical “gutting of the system.” It was resigning, Sale, Pierce and (as much as he’s been money when he’s right) Eovaldi. It continues to haunt the Red Sox. This is a bit crazy. Eovaldi turned out to be a bargain. Pierce hardly broke the bank. He was not even a Garrett Richards. Sale was a miss. But I don’t think that was a move most GMs wouldn’t make. The Price deal was likely the biggest killer of the last 10 years. It may have helped get a title… but maybe not. Overall, though, it was a brutal anchor. Yes this. People also forget that a big part of the Mookie trade wasn’t getting Verdugo, Downs, Wong, it was getting rid of half of Price’s salary to get some critical salary relief
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 17, 2022 13:26:28 GMT -5
Sell off everyone, get a massive trade haul
Give Crawford and Winckowski a proper audition to make next year's rotation
Let Bello and Casas get comfortable in the majors
Sprinkle in some lesser prospects like Downs, Fitzgerald and the WooSox relief crew
I would be fine with this end to the season
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Post by station13 on Jul 17, 2022 13:28:11 GMT -5
Sale is a disaster. How many more years is he signed for?
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Post by manfred on Jul 17, 2022 13:30:24 GMT -5
Sell off everyone, get a massive trade haul Give Crawford and Winckowski a proper audition to make next year's rotation Let Bello and Casas get comfortable in the majors Sprinkle in some lesser prospects like Downs, Fitzgerald and the WooSox relief crew I would be fine with this end to the season My problem with selling is that there is a good chance it yields less than one hopes. They sold Mookie and the return is lackluster. So why would selling X, also nearing his contract’s end and not as good a player, yield some cornerstone? Or JDM? How much do you really get for an aging DH? You might as well play it out, try to eke into a WC, and hope for a miracle. If they sell, they are certain to be in rebuild for years. At that point, it is pretty much a wait for Mayer.
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 17, 2022 13:32:48 GMT -5
Who the hell is going to eat the innings today? Davis is spent, Whitlock and Houck both threw 2 innings on Friday. Even if this is a close game we might need position players. That’s with Darwinzon pitching 3 innings…
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Post by Guidas on Jul 17, 2022 13:33:18 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski’s worst move - and what likely got him fired - wasn’t any trades or this mythical “gutting of the system.” It was resigning, Sale, Pierce and (as much as he’s been money when he’s right) Eovaldi. It continues to haunt the Red Sox. This is a bit crazy. Eovaldi turned out to be a bargain. Pierce hardly broke the bank. He was not even a Garrett Richards. Sale was a miss. But I don’t think that was a move most GMs wouldn’t make. The Price deal was likely the biggest killer of the last 10 years. It may have helped get a title… but maybe not. Overall, though, it was a brutal anchor. Price was the first big deal and J Henry was all in. All the reports had J Henry publicly miffed that Dombrowski made those signings without consulting ownership. I was and continue to be a big fan of Eovaldi, but Sale was hurt in the WS year and I think a lot of people in the ownership group wanted to see if he was right for at least half a season before an extension. Be that as it may, I agree on Eovaldi, and Pierce, in the grand scheme of things was low dollar signing but there were better and younger players out there. The Sale signing continues to haunt. Anyway, this team can't buy a hit right now, and the buzzard luck has been strong.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 17, 2022 13:36:11 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski’s worst move - and what likely got him fired - wasn’t any trades or this mythical “gutting of the system.” It was resigning, Sale, Pierce and (as much as he’s been money when he’s right) Eovaldi. It continues to haunt the Red Sox. This is a bit crazy. Eovaldi turned out to be a bargain. Pierce hardly broke the bank. He was not even a Garrett Richards. Sale was a miss. But I don’t think that was a move most GMs wouldn’t make. The Price deal was likely the biggest killer of the last 10 years. It may have helped get a title… but maybe not. Overall, though, it was a brutal anchor. Agree on Eovaldi and Pearce. Eovaldi's contract has worked out well. He was hurt for a lot of 2019, but put up 3.4 B-Ref WAR (pro rated) in 2020, 4.5 in 2021 and will probably reach 3 this year if he stays healthy. He also beat the MFYs in the one-gamer last October. But I can't imagine many GMs would have made the Sale deal. He was coming off a year in which he didn't make it to the finish line. As a rail-thin guy with a herky-jerky motion, he was a good bet for injuries. It seemed crazy to me at the time.
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 17, 2022 13:38:03 GMT -5
Sell off everyone, get a massive trade haul Give Crawford and Winckowski a proper audition to make next year's rotation Let Bello and Casas get comfortable in the majors Sprinkle in some lesser prospects like Downs, Fitzgerald and the WooSox relief crew I would be fine with this end to the season My problem with selling is that there is a good chance it yields less than one hopes. They sold Mookie and the return is lackluster. So why would selling X, also nearing his contract’s end and not as good a player, yield some cornerstone? Or JDM? How much do you really get for an aging DH? You might as well play it out, try to eke into a WC, and hope for a miracle. If they sell, they are certain to be in rebuild for years. At that point, it is pretty much a wait for Mayer. We could sell Eovaldi and Wacha once they show they’re healthy. Selling Xander is the toughest call, replacing him with Downs isn’t acceptable for a competitive team. The Mookie return was really weighed down by his already high salary and having to get rid of Price’s salary, so that’s difficult to benchmark against. The extra wild card produces more buyers so it’s tough to tell since it’s the first year with this format
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Post by station13 on Jul 17, 2022 13:39:14 GMT -5
Hernandez has no clue where the ball is going. Another Red Sox reliever with that trait.
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