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2022 Draft Signing Period
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 21, 2022 12:33:09 GMT -5
I think he means you and the staff have to dig with the people you know to get what the bonuses are in order to put them onto the page, because anything under $125K might not be reported in exact detail. Yeah I realized that as you must've posted this. My b. FWIW, I wasn't referring to the site earlier. If we can get every single IFA bonus, getting every draft bonus ain't a thing. Although it was very interesting last year that every single Sox pick after the 10th got at least $100k. That's new and I really liked it - sort of a nest egg for them to get their careers started. The only one who kind of got screwed is Litwicki. I'm interested to see if they go back to giving some of the day 2 guys near-nothing bonuses in order to sign the bigger fish. They haven't really done that since 2018 (which is admittedly just 2 drafts in the interim given the truncated 2020 edition). I guess Litwicki was unlucky that they chose him in the 10th, when savings on his slot could be applied to, for example, Hickey's bonus but his $47,500 bonus was actually the median bonus for guys in the 10th round (his slot was $148,400). Two guys got $5,000 (did they throw in a bus ticket?) and both of them actually played both last year and this year; one is up to high-A in the LAD system (while Litwicki's next appearance will be his pro debut).
It's nice that they seem to have a $100k floor for their draft picks (would be nicer if they did the same for the July 2 kids...). Gotta wonder how they chose Litwicki for that spot rather than one of the guys they drafted later. He probably wishes that he got double the money in the 19th round like Tyler Uberstine.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 21, 2022 12:49:51 GMT -5
Yeah that's all I meant.
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Post by aladaz on Jul 21, 2022 13:21:09 GMT -5
is there a reason they don't limit Rd1-10 slot savings to amounts above $125k (ie, reducing bonuses below $125k don't add to your pool available for other players?) Seems like an obvious solution to a situation that screws over a bunch of college seniors for minimal good reason, but not sure if there's an angle I haven't considered. sorry if this is off topic
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 21, 2022 14:31:43 GMT -5
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 21, 2022 15:12:20 GMT -5
Physical to see if he has all of his pectoral muscles?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 21, 2022 16:08:11 GMT -5
is there a reason they don't limit Rd1-10 slot savings to amounts above $125k (ie, reducing bonuses below $125k don't add to your pool available for other players?) Seems like an obvious solution to a situation that screws over a bunch of college seniors for minimal good reason, but not sure if there's an angle I haven't considered. sorry if this is off topic I think the answer is just that this is how it was set up and it's not something there's going to be much momentum to fix.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 21, 2022 17:03:45 GMT -5
Heard there’s a possibility that the Sox sign Bryant Zayas, an high school senior committed to NC State. If it comes to fruition, very strange to see a high school senior committed to a school like NC State sign for $125k. Bryant Zayas is a 2022 SS/2B with a 6-0 175 lb. frame from Hialeah, FL who attends Miami Christian.Medium height with a well-proportioned frame and current muscular look. Ran a 6.31 in the sixty yard dash. A primary infielder, excellent actions at shortstop with a good combination of high level footwork and soft hands. Lightning quick release with a firm and accurate arm, can really pick it. A right-handed hitter, good bat speed with a grooved swing that gets on plane. Solid direction with the process and back spins hard line drives when on time. The defense stands out in a big way. Verbal commitment to North Carolina State www.perfectgame.org/players/playerprofile.aspx?ID=551281
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 21, 2022 18:09:09 GMT -5
Heard there’s a possibility that the Sox sign Bryant Zayas, an high school senior committed to NC State. If it comes to fruition, very strange to see a high school senior committed to a school like NC State sign for $125k. Bryant Zayas is a 2022 SS/2B with a 6-0 175 lb. frame from Hialeah, FL who attends Miami Christian.Medium height with a well-proportioned frame and current muscular look. Ran a 6.31 in the sixty yard dash. A primary infielder, excellent actions at shortstop with a good combination of high level footwork and soft hands. Lightning quick release with a firm and accurate arm, can really pick it. A right-handed hitter, good bat speed with a grooved swing that gets on plane. Solid direction with the process and back spins hard line drives when on time. The defense stands out in a big way. Verbal commitment to North Carolina State www.perfectgame.org/players/playerprofile.aspx?ID=551281Getting closer to having the HS middle infielder market cornered.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 21, 2022 18:11:55 GMT -5
Heard there’s a possibility that the Sox sign Bryant Zayas, an high school senior committed to NC State. If it comes to fruition, very strange to see a high school senior committed to a school like NC State sign for $125k. It's the same rules as round 11-20 - he can sign for any amount, but the first 125k doesn't count against the pool.
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Post by cdj on Jul 21, 2022 18:27:56 GMT -5
Zayas is in fact in the fold. Source: his Instagram story
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 21, 2022 18:39:40 GMT -5
knowing very little about the draft and who the sox got from what I read getting brannon and zayas signed is pretty dang big for the potential of this draft class. Both sound like good HS prospects with solid potential that somewhat surprisingly signed later round deals.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 21, 2022 18:44:16 GMT -5
So, am I missing something or under the new rules is there no reason to want to get drafted once you're past round 10? If you go undrafted, you can negotiate with every team. It's just pure downside to get drafted.
Maybe Zayas and his team figured out the incentives ahead of everyone else
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 21, 2022 18:46:12 GMT -5
knowing very little about the draft and who the sox got from what I read getting brannon and zayas signed is pretty dang big for the potential of this draft class. Both sound like good HS prospects with solid potential that somewhat surprisingly signed later round deals. Check out NC State’s shortstop lineage. They’ve basically all turned into legit prospects. Zayas was next in line
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 21, 2022 18:59:58 GMT -5
It's been talked about as an issue, but has anyone come up with a plan for playing time for five HS aged SS who might be FCL this year and Low A next year? Romero, Coffey, Zayas, Salazar, Ravello
Lineup C Daniel McElveny 1B Lyonell James 2B Johnfrank Salazar 3B Cutter Coffey SS Mikey Romero LF Juan Chacon CF Miguel Bleis RF Roman Anthony DH Luis Ravelo
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 21, 2022 19:51:49 GMT -5
The Red Sox got a future all-star.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 21, 2022 19:59:27 GMT -5
The Red Sox got a future all-star. Hmm. watching the second video: lots of foul bowls and popups from those easy BP offerings.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 21, 2022 20:01:39 GMT -5
He has a nice athletic body they’ll teach him to take better BP don’t worry.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 21, 2022 20:47:01 GMT -5
It's been talked about as an issue, but has anyone come up with a plan for playing time for five HS aged SS who might be FCL this year and Low A next year? Romero, Coffey, Zayas, Salazar, Ravello Lineup C Daniel McElveny 1B Lyonell James 2B Johnfrank Salazar 3B Cutter Coffey SS Mikey Romero LF Juan Chacon CF Miguel Bleis RF Roman Anthony DH Luis Ravelo There's also Liendo who sounds like has has a chance, although he's not hitting much. Zayas is really fast, maybe he's a candidate for the OF.
If someone can't find a job in Salem next year, then next year's FCL has Freili Encarnacion SS/3B who will be a priority. Fraymi De Leon SS is a bonus baby who isn't hitting, but I would guess he makes the jump and is a priority. Marvin Alcantara INF seems like he's probably turning into a priority based on the box scores.
TBH I kinda like having competition with real stakes at the lowest levels.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 21, 2022 21:34:22 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 21, 2022 22:05:51 GMT -5
Maybe Zayas was told that there would be competition for SS reps in Raleigh? Or he just couldn't wait to get started? It's also possible that he prefers baseball to textbooks, which could also fit for Brannon, Coffey, Romero, Anthony, and any number of guys teams wooed away from college commitments this past weekend... (apparently Kilen must be a big bookworm, lol)
Whatever the case, he represents one more bite at the player development apple for the Sox FO.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 22, 2022 0:30:08 GMT -5
So, am I missing something or under the new rules is there no reason to want to get drafted once you're past round 10? If you go undrafted, you can negotiate with every team. It's just pure downside to get drafted.
Maybe Zayas and his team figured out the incentives ahead of everyone else
The thing is, the player doesn't get to choose whether or not he gets drafted. Of course you don't want to get selected, but you really have no leverage at that point - the team doesn't care if you don't sign because it loses nothing.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 22, 2022 2:15:06 GMT -5
So, am I missing something or under the new rules is there no reason to want to get drafted once you're past round 10? If you go undrafted, you can negotiate with every team. It's just pure downside to get drafted.
Maybe Zayas and his team figured out the incentives ahead of everyone else
The thing is, the player doesn't get to choose whether or not he gets drafted. Of course you don't want to get selected, but you really have no leverage at that point - the team doesn't care if you don't sign because it loses nothing. With only 20 rounds, guys have a real shot of going undrafted now. 48 of the top 250 on mlb.com didn't get drafted - mostly HS guys in the 100-250 range. When the draft was 40 rounds, it was like 5 or 6 guys going undrafted. I dunno, seems like an agent might be able to maneuver his way to getting out of the draft.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 22, 2022 6:47:41 GMT -5
The thing is, the player doesn't get to choose whether or not he gets drafted. Of course you don't want to get selected, but you really have no leverage at that point - the team doesn't care if you don't sign because it loses nothing. With only 20 rounds, guys have a real shot of going undrafted now. 48 of the top 250 on mlb.com didn't get drafted - mostly HS guys in the 100-250 range. When the draft was 40 rounds, it was like 5 or 6 guys going undrafted. I dunno, seems like an agent might be able to maneuver his way to getting out of the draft. So here's the problem with that theory. To do so, they'd have to float an outrageous number, or outright say the kid's not signing. Then, after the draft, they'd have to completely renege on that. The agent's good will would then be completely shot, forever, and nobody would believe him again.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 22, 2022 8:52:09 GMT -5
Can someone shed some light on this Zayas signing? If I am following correctly, he was an UDFA who just signed. Was he a highly regarded prospect going into the draft? MLB draft tracker has him listed but no ranking etc. Not sure how excited to be edit: I think I just found the answer to my question in one of the links above. Kind of odd he would be ranked that well by Perfect Game and that not translated to MLB Draft ranking. Perhaps that's why he slipped?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 22, 2022 9:00:43 GMT -5
It seems to me that the new system would provide the opportunity to find kids who just want to play and start their pro careers. Knowing that they have a nice little chunk of change ($150K) and a free ride to college to fall back on.
Do I think that the majority of people are going to prioritize the money? yes, do I think that the market will NOT be saturated with kids like this? yes. But, you take every avenue you can when trying to inject young talent into your farm system so maybe this is where some scouts will really earn their keep working overtime. On the surface, Zayas fits this mold.
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