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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 26, 2022 19:46:52 GMT -5
Now the double steal!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2022 19:47:39 GMT -5
Tito hasn't forgotten what Lucchino and Henry did.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 26, 2022 19:48:17 GMT -5
The “Tampa Way” whatever it is, Chaim, sucks.
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Post by manfred on Jul 26, 2022 19:48:36 GMT -5
DOB says starting to get ugly… I am betting we ain’t seen nothin’.
This is tough viewing. Going to be an unpleasant last quarter season.
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Post by cdj on Jul 26, 2022 19:49:02 GMT -5
Yeah we sellin
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2022 19:50:01 GMT -5
DOB says starting to get ugly… I am betting we ain’t seen nothin’. This is tough viewing. Going to be an unpleasant last quarter season. could it get any uglier than the 1/2 inning we witnessed with Downs and Company the other night ?
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Post by station13 on Jul 26, 2022 19:50:15 GMT -5
Sorry,but we're gonna sucks for 3-4 years
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 26, 2022 19:51:49 GMT -5
Winck 3.27 xFIP in AAA, 4.22 xFIP in MLB this year (second one will go down some tonight)
He can't strike people out but he keeps the ball on the ground and doesn't walk too many guys. #5 starter is a reasonable hope for him. You can't just focus on the lack of strikeouts while ignoring what he does well. If he struck out guys at an average rate he'd be an all star
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Post by manfred on Jul 26, 2022 19:52:00 GMT -5
DOB says starting to get ugly… I am betting we ain’t seen nothin’. This is tough viewing. Going to be an unpleasant last quarter season. could it get any uglier than the 1/2 inning we witnessed with Downs and Company the other night ? Do you want me to answer that?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2022 19:52:32 GMT -5
Winck 3.27 xFIP in AAA, 4.22 xFIP in MLB this year (second one will go down some tonight) He can't strike people out but he keeps the ball on the ground and doesn't walk too many guys. #5 starter is a reasonable hope for him. You can't just focus on the lack of strikeouts while ignoring what he does well. If he struck out guys at an average rate he'd be an all star yeah....i am not giving up on him as a useful arm just yet.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 26, 2022 19:53:11 GMT -5
Verdugo is -.6 bWar this year, that is almost incomprehensible. He is a way better player than that. He's a slow footed COF hitting below .700 OPS.
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Post by nomar on Jul 26, 2022 19:53:25 GMT -5
Sorry,but we're gonna sucks for 3-4 years Why? The players we’d trade are coming off of the books. We’re going to be signing free agents regardless of what happens this deadline. They’re going to have a lot of money to spend it’s just a matter of doing it smartly. People complain about this roster non stop and yet every time Martinez or Eovaldi’s name gets floated people say we’re doomed long term. Can’t really be both
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 26, 2022 19:53:39 GMT -5
Sorry,but we're gonna sucks for 3-4 years I just hope we trade Verdugo for nothing only for him to have a .400 OBP next year.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 26, 2022 19:53:55 GMT -5
Every time I see or hear Austin Davis my brain instantly goes Astudillo
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2022 19:57:46 GMT -5
Sorry,but we're gonna sucks for 3-4 years Why? The players we’d trade are coming off of the books. We’re going to be signing free agents regardless of what happens this deadline. They’re going to have a lot of money to spend it’s just a matter of doing it smartly. i do find it interesting with an industry and fan base that doesn't seem to interested FA costs, that this is somehow gonna be the answer. Hopeful that he can do some good things, because your post true, but really, we want to add some late 20's, early 30's something's to this club while we lose our core guys ?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2022 19:58:59 GMT -5
Verdugo is -.6 bWar this year, that is almost incomprehensible. He is a way better player than that. He's a slow footed COF hitting below .700 OPS. sure, but this has been a precipitous drop. he is only 26.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 26, 2022 20:01:04 GMT -5
He's a slow footed COF hitting below .700 OPS. sure, but this has been a precipitous drop. he is only 26. My guess is he's going to admit to a nagging injury and have some sort of surgery when the season is over. Just feels like he's playing through something nagging.
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Post by nomar on Jul 26, 2022 20:02:15 GMT -5
Why? The players we’d trade are coming off of the books. We’re going to be signing free agents regardless of what happens this deadline. They’re going to have a lot of money to spend it’s just a matter of doing it smartly. i do find it interesting with an industry and fan base that doesn't seem to interested FA costs, that this is somehow gonna be the answer. Hopeful that he can do some good things, because your post true, but really, we want to add some late 20's, early 30's something's to this club while we lose our core guys ? The core guys that the Sox are potentially losing are 29, 34, and 32. So what’s the difference between them and free agents in their late 20s-early 30s? IMO the only concerns with selling are: - We’ll be punting on this season - if we trade Bogaerts, he’s gone Other than that I fail to see how it does anything but help the odds of competing in the future
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2022 20:02:22 GMT -5
sure, but this has been a precipitous drop. he is only 26. My guess is he's going to admit to a nagging injury and have some sort of surgery when the season is over. Just feels like he's playing through something nagging. If I had one wish it would be that people cared more than 0% about advanced predictive stats. These are the stats that teams use to run their teams. Verdugo has a higher xwOBA than Jose Ramirez.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 26, 2022 20:06:38 GMT -5
My guess is he's going to admit to a nagging injury and have some sort of surgery when the season is over. Just feels like he's playing through something nagging. If I had one wish it would be that people cared more than 0% about advanced predictive stats. These are the stats that teams use to run their teams. Verdugo has a higher xwOBA than Jose Ramirez. I agree to a degree. Anything saying he's on par with Jose Ramirez might not be a great statistic, but I wouldn't argue he hasn't been snake bitten either.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 26, 2022 20:07:43 GMT -5
He's a slow footed COF hitting below .700 OPS. sure, but this has been a precipitous drop. he is only 26. I don't think he's declining hitting wise. His K% remains elite. It's well documented how unlucky he was this year with balls in play. The problem is: He has to hit because he's just OK defensively and below average base runner who doesn't steal bases and GIDP a lot.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2022 20:08:19 GMT -5
i do find it interesting with an industry and fan base that doesn't seem to interested FA costs, that this is somehow gonna be the answer. Hopeful that he can do some good things, because your post true, but really, we want to add some late 20's, early 30's something's to this club while we lose our core guys ? The core guys that the Sox are potentially losing are 29, 34, and 32. So what’s the difference between them and free agents in their late 20s-early 30s? IMO the only concerns with selling are: - We’ll be punting on this season - if we trade Bogaerts, he’s gone Other than that I fail to see how it does anything but help the odds of competing in the future for one, our core guys have been top of the line and we don't know who their replacements will be. But in the end, it just seems strange to me with all the talk of not wanting to extend our guys to go fishing in FA waters. Not saying you specifically, but just generally. Most FA's are going to be castoffs from their teams, because of cost. So we'll see
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2022 20:09:16 GMT -5
sure, but this has been a precipitous drop. he is only 26. I don't think he's declining hitting wise. His K% remains elite. It's well documented how unlucky he was this year with balls in play. The problem is: He has to hit because he's just OK defensively and below average base runner who doesn't steal bases and GIDP a lot. He really needs to tailor his swing to Fenway and abuse that wall. He'd be an All-Star.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 26, 2022 20:09:53 GMT -5
That’s a WAR worthy of the zero tool player that he is. come on bruh, he has some good baseball skills. Sorry, my man. He has exactly zero above average baseball tools. I had high hopes for him in 2020, but he’s sunk like a stone ever since. They might want to go the Benintendi route with him and hope he can figure it out somewhere else.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2022 20:10:13 GMT -5
My guess is he's going to admit to a nagging injury and have some sort of surgery when the season is over. Just feels like he's playing through something nagging. If I had one wish it would be that people cared more than 0% about advanced predictive stats. These are the stats that teams use to run their teams. Verdugo has a higher xwOBA than Jose Ramirez. there is no stat, advanced or counting, that should be looked at in a vacuum. and this appears to be the case here.
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