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7/25-7/28 Red Sox vs. Guardians Series Thread
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Post by e on Jul 27, 2022 23:10:33 GMT -5
Red Sox were interested in picking up Carpenter before he went to the Yankees. Heyman reported it in mid June Carpenter had not had an OPS+ over 100 since 2018. Yes, both the Sox and Yanks were interested in seeing if they could catch lightning in a bottle, but I don’t think anyone expected what he’s doing right now in NYC. My point is that you can’t knock Bloom for going after AAAA players and not Carpenter when a) it sounds like he did go after him and b) Carpenter was playing like a AAAA player himself. I was agreeing with you... I was pointing out the Red Sox actually showed interest in Carpenter, at the end of the day it's up to the player on which team he signs for. The front office literally made a play at him, nobody should complain about not picking him up.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 27, 2022 23:12:39 GMT -5
Benny will hit more homers in NY - short joke of a rf fence, his pull swing. MFY did well with this trade - just watch.
Disappointing night all around. We are having to get used to them
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Post by philip on Jul 27, 2022 23:23:52 GMT -5
Just seems like a difference in philosophy in that the Yankees look for more experienced players like voit, Donaldson, carpenter versus the sox. As a result you get nights like this where basic instincts on how to play the game is lacking. I’m sure after franchy throwing the ball away in Tampa that the staff told him not to be careless but it did not sink in.
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Post by lancect on Jul 27, 2022 23:38:30 GMT -5
Franchy has never played first base before. He is learning the position on the fly, and not very well. Chaim should have had a better plan in place if Casas wasn't going to be ready.
Carpenter chose the Yankees because they offered him a Major League contract, nobody else did
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Post by cdj on Jul 28, 2022 0:07:26 GMT -5
Franchy has never played first base before. He is learning the position on the fly, and not very well. Chaim should have had a better plan in place if Casas wasn't going to be ready. Carpenter chose the Yankees because they offered him a Major League contract, nobody else did I think the plan was Dalbec until Casas was ready. And tbh that would have been fine had Casas not gotten injured. Just didn’t work out. They were never going to invest serious money or assets into 1B with Casas waiting in the wings.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 28, 2022 0:36:20 GMT -5
The Yankees did well in the trade. They dont need Benintendi to hit for power. They just need him to get on base in front of their power hitters. The Yankees aren't short of power hitters so getting an OBP guy should help them. Certainly beats playing Gallo. And they didnt give up much to get him. The Royals got the rental price so you wouldnt expect much. The Sox gave up 2 years of service so you'd expect more and they did get 5 players. Unfortunately Franchy is replacement level caliber, Winckowski is fringy, 2 of their prospects will never play major league ball and the other prospect has questionable stuff, although he cannot be written off at this point. Benintendi is hardly a franchise player but he was worth more than they got. I dont care to hear about Benintendi's 2020 season...he got all of 39 ABs, so I dont take that seriously. They sold low on him and it shows. Benintendi also slashed .141/.243/.219 in September of 2019. It was a terrible end of 2019 into a terrible start to 2020 into a season ending injury. If you were expecting 2018 Benintendi to come back in 2021 after all that, it still didn't, but also good for you. I don't think it's fair to evaluate the outcome of the trade based on the current status of the players involved. Prospects are inherently high variance, so picking a few that busted after a trade does not mean that the trade was bad. It just happens. If prospects are busting more than average after we trade for them over a large sample size, that's when you can start to criticize the negotiating skills and eye for talent. You can't make that call for one trade, though. Even if you insist at looking at how the return has panned out so far, it's still not clear the Sox got a bad return. Two of the minor-league prospects are just 20 years old, and one of them has pitched well and has room to grow physically. The other had a major ankle injury last summer and hasn't pitched all year. You can't blame Bloom for a guy getting hurt and you can't tell me you know whether two 20 year olds are washed already. We don't know what Winckowski is yet either. He's only 24. If Winckowski is even an alright long reliever with six years of control, even if everyone else busts, that could be okay value for two mediocre seasons of Benintendi. If he's a back-end starter, even better. (I'm comfortable with pronouncing Franchy AAAA depth at this point)
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 28, 2022 2:39:07 GMT -5
this month has been very disappointing. Usually a bunch of guys on the last year of their contract rally together as a team to try and get a ring in case they are on a garbage team next year and more importantly trying to get paid. This is the opposite for literally every one of them besides Vazquez. Nate even looks like he’s playing hurt to try and get a team to trade for him at this point. It’s really sad to watch. Our active payroll is 98 million and our injured is 100 mill right now. That’s such bad luck.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 28, 2022 7:14:40 GMT -5
The trade of Beni is water under the bridge. He was really struggling when we traded him, so what is the point of worrying about that ? What's done is done.
But his going to the MFY makes me very unhappy. God forbid he does so well against us that the we have to watch a native son stick it to us on the MFY. Then I will be beside myself and the anti-front office rhetoric will flow like Niagra Falls.
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Post by cdj on Jul 28, 2022 7:23:50 GMT -5
Ppl look at Benintendi like he’s some sort of sox-lifer when he basically played ~3 seasons here
Troy O’Leary was here for more than twice as long, just for perspective. Idrc who Benny plays for, I don’t view him as a Red Sox great
I’m just amused the Yankees had to give up more assets to fill a hole that they had already given up major assets trying to fill
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 28, 2022 7:27:39 GMT -5
I’m just amused the Yankees had to give up more assets to fill a hole that they had already given up major assets trying to fill Gallo has hit .160 since they got him, but I'm not so sure that he's a worse bet going forward than Benintendi
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Post by cdj on Jul 28, 2022 7:47:12 GMT -5
I’m just amused the Yankees had to give up more assets to fill a hole that they had already given up major assets trying to fill Gallo has hit .160 since they got him, but I'm not so sure that he's a worse bet going forward than Benintendi I don’t think Gallo is going to figure it out in NY, he seems lost. Wouldn’t shock me to see Gallo bounce back somewhere else though and be the superior player
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 28, 2022 7:56:29 GMT -5
I’m just amused the Yankees had to give up more assets to fill a hole that they had already given up major assets trying to fill Gallo has hit .160 since they got him, but I'm not so sure that he's a worse bet going forward than Benintendi I want us to sign Gallo this offseason. His floor is basically a ~.300 OBP, 15-20 HR, and good defense in RF. His price tag will also probably be low after the struggles he's had in NY. He'll be 29 next year, so he really shouldn't be dealing with age-based decline yet. I say grab him on a low-money deal with some team options and if he works out, great. He can even play an average 1B if needed. Kiké would be a great buy low candidate too, though, and JBJ's option could make a fair bit of sense. Then there's Nimmo... So I guess I am conflicted. Signing Gallo would be so fun though.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 28, 2022 8:01:40 GMT -5
Gallo has hit .160 since they got him, but I'm not so sure that he's a worse bet going forward than Benintendi I want us to sign Gallo this offseason. His floor is basically a ~.300 OBP, 15-20 HR, and good defense in RF. His price tag will also probably be low after the struggles he's had in NY. He'll be 29 next year, so he really shouldn't be dealing with age-based decline yet. I say grab him on a low-money deal with some team options and if he works out, great. He can even play an average 1B if needed. Kiké would be a great buy low candidate too, though, and JBJ's option could make a fair bit of sense. Then there's Nimmo... So I guess I am conflicted. Signing Gallo would be so fun though. Always hated his game but he is the type of signing Bloom would make. Pillow contract to bridge to the next guy. If he can't handle NY how would he deal with Boston? Also, don't be shocked if Benny kills it with that short porch and then resigns and tortures the Sox for the next few seasons.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 28, 2022 8:07:29 GMT -5
Gallo has hit .160 since they got him, but I'm not so sure that he's a worse bet going forward than Benintendi I want us to sign Gallo this offseason. His floor is basically a ~.300 OBP, 15-20 HR, and good defense in RF. His price tag will also probably be low after the struggles he's had in NY. He'll be 29 next year, so he really shouldn't be dealing with age-based decline yet. I say grab him on a low-money deal with some team options and if he works out, great. He can even play an average 1B if needed. Kiké would be a great buy low candidate too, though, and JBJ's option could make a fair bit of sense. Then there's Nimmo... So I guess I am conflicted. Signing Gallo would be so fun though. I hadn't really thought of Gallo at all as an option but dare I say it wouldn't be the worst idea ever to try and grab Gallo on a one year incentive based deal. Wouldn't be my first choice for OF, that would be to Brandon Nimmo but they could probably fit both in. Gallo can play some first base until Casas is ready and then slide back out to the OF. Gallo would seem to be in the mold of a Bloom type of short term flier type of deal.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 28, 2022 8:19:02 GMT -5
As we flounder (again) in this series, it's been nice to see Tito crafting a less talented, but more hungry, mistake free (relatively) team. They always hustle, take extra bases, have great pen weapons (not on paper maybe, but how it is playing out).
It's not a totally fair comparison with our current active roster, but I do wonder if those that have "been there" (X, Raffy, JD, Nate) are starting to just go through the motions. Cora can get the engine going on this team right now. Precarious place to be in.
So...yay for Tito.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 28, 2022 8:20:06 GMT -5
Ppl look at Benintendi like he’s some sort of sox-lifer when he basically played ~3 seasons here Troy O’Leary was here for more than twice as long, just for perspective. Idrc who Benny plays for, I don’t view him as a Red Sox great I’m just amused the Yankees had to give up more assets to fill a hole that they had already given up major assets trying to fill for me it is less about the time spent than it is the moments of time. The Catch. The 3B's outfield. His draft status. I get being a little dispassionate about the revolving door of players that come through, but his legacy is cemented. That is why I don't want him on the MFY.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 28, 2022 8:22:36 GMT -5
come on folks. People get pissed at Dalbec for striking out. Can you imaging the frustration level with Gallo ? Forget this guy. He isn't what we need.
I mean, we are gonna go 1-2 year stop gaps and fliers with guys like Gallo. It won't work and that isn't conjecture.
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Post by manfred on Jul 28, 2022 8:44:57 GMT -5
come on folks. People get pissed at Dalbec for striking out. Can you imaging the frustration level with Gallo ? Forget this guy. He isn't what we need. I mean, we are gonna go 1-2 year stop gaps and fliers with guys like Gallo. It won't work and that isn't conjecture. I can’t survive a season of Gallo.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 28, 2022 9:09:27 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 28, 2022 9:17:49 GMT -5
Despite being a plus defender I would pass on Gallo. Would also expect a few less HR as a result of Fenway RF vs Stadium RF
Gallo: 12HR, .629 OPS, 103k (37.8%)
Dalbac: 10HR, .650 OPS, 88k (32.3%)
JBJ: 3HR, .577 OPS, 55k (19.6%)
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 28, 2022 9:18:09 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Jul 28, 2022 9:22:22 GMT -5
Gallo has always been terrible against good pitching and in high leverage even when he was a valuable player. Can’t make things happen against elite arms in the playoffs if you aren’t touching the ball.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jul 28, 2022 9:31:10 GMT -5
If that is all KC could get for Benintendi, we're not getting anything for JD.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 28, 2022 9:33:09 GMT -5
I want us to sign Gallo this offseason. His floor is basically a ~.300 OBP, 15-20 HR, and good defense in RF. His price tag will also probably be low after the struggles he's had in NY. He'll be 29 next year, so he really shouldn't be dealing with age-based decline yet. I say grab him on a low-money deal with some team options and if he works out, great. He can even play an average 1B if needed. Kiké would be a great buy low candidate too, though, and JBJ's option could make a fair bit of sense. Then there's Nimmo... So I guess I am conflicted. Signing Gallo would be so fun though. I hadn't really thought of Gallo at all as an option but dare I say it wouldn't be the worst idea ever to try and grab Gallo on a one year incentive based deal. Wouldn't be my first choice for OF, that would be to Brandon Nimmo but they could probably fit both in. Gallo can play some first base until Casas is ready and then slide back out to the OF. Gallo would seem to be in the mold of a Bloom type of short term flier type of deal. 100% agree Re: Nimmo; I'd love him too. At first I was like "Wait, but if we sign Nimmo and Gallo then we'd probably have to let Jackie go", lest we be stuck with four left-handed outfielders. Then the JBJ fanboy in me got sad. But then again, Gallo could be playing some 1B. And realistically, having better players than Jackie is a good problem to have. Nimmo, Verdugo, Kiké (another Gallo-esque bounce back candidate), Gallo, Refsnyder? And Nimmo is already a LHH that can play a decent center, so JBJ wouldn't be needed for his defense. I could dig it.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 28, 2022 9:36:24 GMT -5
Bloom making it sound like trading Xander will not happen, which is infuriating, unless they plan to break the bank for him, which I doubt.
JDM won't get much if that's what the Yankees got for Benny, but I'll take some low-A lotto tickets.
Vazquez I feel like you can get some real value for, especially to Houston.
Eovaldi is a question mark. His last two starts have hurt his value.
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