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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 14, 2023 20:43:30 GMT -5
Good article. To sum it up, it's because he wants SS only. Seems like that should be an advantage for the Red Sox in negotiations, there are few teams with a SS only fit.
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Post by runner on Jan 14, 2023 20:51:19 GMT -5
Good article. To sum it up, it's because he wants SS only. Seems like that should be an advantage for the Red Sox in negotiations, there are few teams with a SS only fit. Seems like Duval and Andrus are destined for Boston.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jan 14, 2023 23:14:30 GMT -5
If Sox really are $33M under the tax threshold, spending $10M on Andrus makes sense.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 14, 2023 23:56:19 GMT -5
If Sox really are $33M under the tax threshold, spending $10M on Andrus makes sense. Where'd you get 33?
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Post by nomar on Jan 14, 2023 23:58:37 GMT -5
If Sox really are $33M under the tax threshold, spending $10M on Andrus makes sense. Where'd you get 33? I just decided it’s 44
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Post by redsox3in10 on Jan 15, 2023 0:07:08 GMT -5
Why is everyone talking about the $55M we have left to spend?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 15, 2023 0:12:26 GMT -5
Why is everyone talking about the $55M we have left to spend? Because people are trying to be conservative when talking about the 100 million the Red Sox have to spend.
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Post by nomar on Jan 15, 2023 0:54:31 GMT -5
Why is everyone talking about the $55M we have left to spend? Finding room for Brasier, Duvall, Iglesias, and Daubach has us in a tizzy.
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Post by bannedfromsosh on Jan 15, 2023 3:01:27 GMT -5
Why is everyone talking about the $55M we have left to spend? Because people are trying to be conservative when talking about the 100 million the Red Sox have to spend. “Can you borrow 5 dollars? 10 dollars is a alot of money!!! If you think 20 dollars grows on trees, and make 100 dollars the honest way!”- my dad
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Post by basbal24 on Jan 15, 2023 5:45:26 GMT -5
It's A spring Training Battle Between Niko Goodrum & Ryan Fitzgerald It will keep u glued to your TV sets!
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jan 15, 2023 11:04:50 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 15, 2023 12:28:33 GMT -5
I am in no way an expert in this area, so unless it is included in another line, it might be a little bit low. The likes of Houck, Schrieber, Dalbec, Duran, Bello, Casas, Crawford & Wong all have zero attributed to the CBT amount. Seems like that amounts to at least another $5-6M
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Post by incandenza on Jan 15, 2023 12:37:03 GMT -5
Good article. To sum it up, it's because he wants SS only. Seems like that should be an advantage for the Red Sox in negotiations, there are few teams with a SS only fit. That conclusion struck me as speculative, not based on anything Andrus has explicitly said. But if it is true, and if the Red Sox are convinced Story can play shortstop... well, you wouldn't promise to move Story out of the preferred position to mollify Elvis Andrus.
If this means Andrus is not available (or has made himself unavailable) for the Red Sox, then a) why in the hell didn't they sign Segura, if Story was set to play SS? He was so cheap! And b) a trade becomes absolutely necessary to fill out the middle infield.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 15, 2023 12:41:10 GMT -5
Good article. To sum it up, it's because he wants SS only. Seems like that should be an advantage for the Red Sox in negotiations, there are few teams with a SS only fit. That conclusion struck me as speculative, not based on anything Andrus has explicitly said. But if it is true, and if the Red Sox are convinced Story can play shortstop... well, you wouldn't promise to move Story out of the preferred position to mollify Elvis Andrus.
If this means Andrus is not available (or has made himself unavailable) for the Red Sox, then a) why in the hell didn't they sign Segura, if Story was set to play SS? He was so cheap! And b) a trade becomes absolutely necessary to fill out the middle infield.
Does seem strange Andrus would be steadfast that he only wants to sign somewhere that would guarantee him SS PT. That being said if thats the case I'm certainly not ruling him out as an option to play SS for 2023. We dont know if story will even be back this season. Even if he is able to, he's going to be out roughly half the season and if they're still banking on him playing SS if he can come back that'd seem a silly bet to make on a guy coming back from a serious elbow surgery.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 15, 2023 13:20:19 GMT -5
That conclusion struck me as speculative, not based on anything Andrus has explicitly said. But if it is true, and if the Red Sox are convinced Story can play shortstop... well, you wouldn't promise to move Story out of the preferred position to mollify Elvis Andrus.
If this means Andrus is not available (or has made himself unavailable) for the Red Sox, then a) why in the hell didn't they sign Segura, if Story was set to play SS? He was so cheap! And b) a trade becomes absolutely necessary to fill out the middle infield.
Does seem strange Andrus would be steadfast that he only wants to sign somewhere that would guarantee him SS PT. That being said if thats the case I'm certainly not ruling him out as an option to play SS for 2023. We dont know if story will even be back this season. Even if he is able to, he's going to be out roughly half the season and if they're still banking on him playing SS if he can come back that'd seem a silly bet to make on a guy coming back from a serious elbow surgery. Yeah, I personally would have no problem just leaving Story at 2B, where he's already shown himself to be a plenty valuable defensive player and put up 4 WAR/150 there even with middling offense. I don't think there's some huge gap in defensive production between Story 2B/Andrus SS aand vice versa. Just trying to suss out the team's thinking.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 15, 2023 13:32:04 GMT -5
The org has stated in the past that Wong will exclusively be a catcher. Starting Refsynder or Duran @ 2B would be insanely foolish. And no chance Hamilton, Sogard or Fitzgerald will be serious contributors in 2023 unless there’s further injuries. Duran does not appear to be a MLB player based on his failure to hit and his awful CF defense but I don't see how he could be worse at 2B than he has shown in CF. I'd like to see him at 2B, can he possibly have worst instincts there than in the OF?
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Post by notstarboard on Jan 15, 2023 13:35:32 GMT -5
I am in no way an expert in this area, so unless it is included in another line, it might be a little bit low. The likes of Houck, Schrieber, Dalbec, Duran, Bello, Casas, Crawford & Wong all have zero attributed to the CBT amount. Seems like that amounts to at least another $5-6M Yep - Spotrac shows $204.9 million when pre-arb estimates are included versus $199.3 when they're ignored. That makes it more like $28 million.
They have the wrong contract for Chris Martin, though; they show 2/13.5 but everything I've read has said 2/17.5. They're also counting Hosmer for $1.75 million against the luxury tax this year. No clue how they got to 1.75 to begin with, but my understanding is we no longer have a luxury tax hit for him because he was making the league minimum and the Cubs, who signed him, take that over. Luckily enough, those two mistakes just about offset each other, so even with correct information they'd probably be estimating around $28 million.
Cots is projecting $29.5 million of space, which is right in the same neighborhood. As far as I can tell, neither of these sources are accounting for easily attainable performance bonuses, though, which will likely add a few million minimum.
Meanwhile @redsoxpayroll does account for these bonuses, but they also build in $11 million for 40-man salaries, which is like double what the other sources do. They currently show $18.7 million of space.
My best guess is that the effective space under the tax line is in the $23-24 million ballpark. "Effective space" meaning "spending above this point risks going over the tax or having to DFA people, Oakland A's style, to prevent them from hitting incentives".
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jan 15, 2023 16:50:54 GMT -5
If Andrus is holding out for SS, it would appear that he's a decent enough placeholder for a fringe contender like BOS. I would guess that the FO is weighing whether a) his late 2022 uptick at the plate was real; and b) he's a big enough upgrade over Christian Arroyo to justify creeping that much closer to the CBT during what is more or less a rebuilding year. Arroyo can play SS if he can stay on the field. Obviously he was blocked from playing SS in BOS since he arrived. I'd be fine with him and Duran as the DP combo in this season of low expectations. Who knows, maybe they'll both increase their trade values. Arroyo was a 1st round pick and top-100 prospect as a SS, so the idea that he might establish himself as an everyday SS if handed the reins for a season is not outlandish. He went all of 2020 and 2021 without making an error while playing mostly 2B; so if he could do that at SS (not errorless but above average), stay on the field, and swing the same bat he's always swung, you could do a lot worse.
EDIT: Not saying it's a lock, just saying there's a chance (30%?) he could blossom into that and it would inflate his trade value immensely.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 16, 2023 8:55:49 GMT -5
Signing Andrus or Profar is pointless. Just go into camp with what you have and save the money for the trade deadline. Especially if for whatever reason, this team finds themselves around. 500 and in contention for the final wild card spot.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jan 16, 2023 10:03:53 GMT -5
Signing Andrus or Profar is pointless. Just go into camp with what you have and save the money for the trade deadline. Especially if for whatever reason, this team finds themselves around. 500 and in contention for the final wild card spot. This seems like the absolute opposite logic. If they leave the roster alone right now there’s very little chance they’re in contention, so they’d be saving their money for likely nothing. I think what makes way more sense is to continue to fill the holes on the roster and then sell at the deadline to get back under the tax line, if they need to.
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Post by kwodes on Jan 16, 2023 10:17:21 GMT -5
Signing Andrus or Profar is pointless. Just go into camp with what you have and save the money for the trade deadline. Especially if for whatever reason, this team finds themselves around. 500 and in contention for the final wild card spot. This seems like the absolute opposite logic. If they leave the roster alone right now there’s very little chance they’re in contention, so they’d be saving their money for likely nothing. I think what makes way more sense is to continue to fill the holes on the roster and then sell at the deadline to get back under the tax line, if they need to. Agreed. Spend to add guys to 1 yr deals. Then you can trade guys at the deadline if needed to get under. Pivetta, Verdugo, Jansen, etc
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jan 16, 2023 11:33:14 GMT -5
This seems like the absolute opposite logic. If they leave the roster alone right now there’s very little chance they’re in contention, so they’d be saving their money for likely nothing. I think what makes way more sense is to continue to fill the holes on the roster and then sell at the deadline to get back under the tax line, if they need to. Agreed. Spend to add guys to 1 yr deals. Then you can trade guys at the deadline if needed to get under. Pivetta, Verdugo, Jansen, etc There are still trades that can be made now as well that add more salary than is deducted. Either way, yeah, starting the season with Dalbec and Duran on the roster is just not a good plan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 7:56:11 GMT -5
The first starting Red Sox shortstop to wear #5 since Nomar?
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 18, 2023 8:59:13 GMT -5
Money is on Kiké getting the bulk of the time there now. Seems like that is what Cora has wanted for a bit and now they have a full outfield (though I hope he still gets reps out there).
Gotta bring in one more middle infielder at least, and I think they could also use a lefty who plays up the middle, otherwise I guess Allen or Duran gets that spot.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 18, 2023 10:50:16 GMT -5
Signing Andrus or Profar is pointless. Just go into camp with what you have and save the money for the trade deadline. Especially if for whatever reason, this team finds themselves around. 500 and in contention for the final wild card spot. This seems like the absolute opposite logic. If they leave the roster alone right now there’s very little chance they’re in contention, so they’d be saving their money for likely nothing. I think what makes way more sense is to continue to fill the holes on the roster and then sell at the deadline to get back under the tax line, if they need to. Do you trust Chaim to get under the cap at the deadline? I don’t. Last year was the obvious year to do that and he didn’t for some reason.
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