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Post by texs31 on Nov 7, 2022 10:30:15 GMT -5
If one buys into PFF grades, seems like Cajuste had a reasonable debut at RT. Colts line isn't terrible either.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 7, 2022 11:09:07 GMT -5
How do you do more play action the last 3 games? The OL is crap, we've played really good DL for 3 straight weeks. Isn't the whole idea of play action built off of teams fearing the run and adjusting? If you can't establish a good running game that gets the other team adjusting play action isn't doing anything. It's not Mac versus Zappe, it's game plans based on opponents. They haven't run or blocked well for 3 straight weeks
That being said Mac Jones isn't doing the line any favors. He's doing a lot of things wrong. Leaving a lot of plays on the field. He's been given the keys, ability to change plays, etc and looks overwhelmed. I counted times were he held ball for 4 seconds, got sacked, yet had the dump down option wide open for a 10 yard gain. Crap we started to see last year when the training wheels came off. He keeps trying to use his feet, rather than just throw the ball away. He looks like the reason you take QBs with 3 or more seasons worth of starts in College. No dominate running game, teams able to get pressure with 4 rushers, throwing a bunch of different looks at him. Teams with good defenses are doing to him what Bill does to young QBs.
Given time he makes nice throws to Henry, yet he's locked on the whole way and just looks away the safety. The problem is they left him wide open. It's just without a dominant running game and guys wide open he's struggling. Tried too hard to start season with TOs, now he's gun shy fearing interceptions so he's thinking more than just acting. It's typical crap for a young QB. He could really use a trash D to help him get back on track. This is where you see how good he is. This crap can destroy some young QBs, the good ones learn and get better. He gets a two weeks to prepare for the Jets again, yet they just schooled the Bills. That D is legit darn good.
Everyone wants to blame MP, yet this is more on Bill. He switched Brown and Wynn. He drafted Strange who just got pulled yet again. You can't go back to last years game plan with an OL in shambles. The negative running plays the last 3 weeks are crazy. Stevenson has been superhuman making crap happen, compared to good blocking. You have no good blocking TE to insert, you have no fullback. Heck after pulling Strange early last game you have no extra OT to even insert. Add in no traditional Patriots slot WR that can quickly get open play after play. Time for Bill to work some magic and boy does this team need the extra week to work on things.
Overshadowed by the offense the defensive is coming along. Yeah the QB sucks, yet 9 sacks is still crazy impressive. Uche finally had his big breakout game we've been waiting two years on. It just won't matter unless you fix the OL and Mac Jones.
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 7, 2022 12:42:44 GMT -5
The question we have to ask ourselves is our defense playoff caliber ? Can it carry this offense ? I guess if nothing changes it will have too.
I love this defense too. Question about Uche he shows up sometimes is the problem injuries or is he still struggling with this defense. I like him when he’s on.
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Post by cdj on Nov 7, 2022 13:07:54 GMT -5
The question we have to ask ourselves is our defense playoff caliber ? Can it carry this offense ? I guess if nothing changes it will have too. I love this defense too. Question about Uche he shows up sometimes is the problem injuries or is he still struggling with this defense. I like him when he’s on. If the Qb Is an elite athlete it can’t carry them, if the QB isn’t an elite athlete the defense can carry them. Like let’s say they hypothetically draw something like Herbert, Tua, Mahomes, Cousins- I think the defense could give them chances to win. You throw Lamar or Allen or Hurts into the mix and I think they get toasted
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 7, 2022 15:01:37 GMT -5
I see a playoff caliber D if they can stay healthy. One huge weakness elite running QBs give them big problems. That being said this D isn't elite like Baltimore back in the day carrying Trent Dilfer. Offense has to improve way too many turnovers hurting D and a good running attack helps our D. Meyers fumble and crap like that could be difference against better teams.
I'm certainly hoping Bill finds a way to fix OL at minimum to reestablish a dominant rushing attack. Get Andrew's back, get Harris back fully healthy. Wear down the other teams DL with two huge power RBs. If not you stand no chance. You're better off missing playoffs and getting a better draft slot.
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 10, 2022 10:27:08 GMT -5
Not to beat a dead subject but no one liked the idea of how he moved on from Mcdaniels . BB has to own that.
Regarding the issues with the offense.
I feeling that the Patriots are gonna have this off-season to overhaul these issues to me mirrors the Red Sox approach to the team . Both had issues never got on track they better have a good plan in the off-season.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Nov 10, 2022 15:51:00 GMT -5
I just can't get over the fact that we take a defensive coordinator and making him into an offensive coordinator. He aint coordinating nothing. Mac is lost under his tutelage and in another vein, it looks like McDaniels is proving to be a lousy head coach for Vegas as he was with Denver. we might be seeing him soon again.
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Post by cdj on Nov 10, 2022 16:43:29 GMT -5
Reports of CJ Moseley and Shaq Leonard calling out our plays before they happen the last couple weeks
MATTY P ROCKET SCIENTIST
I’d kill for mcdaniels at this point, and that’s coming from a guy who almost threw himself out a window every time they ran a 3rd and 5 draw to Bolden
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 11, 2022 12:46:51 GMT -5
This season when they call in a offensive lineman an extra one everyone on the field knows there running. I think they get stuffed every time they do this.
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 11, 2022 12:49:39 GMT -5
I see a playoff caliber D if they can stay healthy. One huge weakness elite running QBs give them big problems. That being said this D isn't elite like Baltimore back in the day carrying Trent Dilfer. Offense has to improve way too many turnovers hurting D and a good running attack helps our D. Meyers fumble and crap like that could be difference against better teams. I'm certainly hoping Bill finds a way to fix OL at minimum to reestablish a dominant rushing attack. Get Andrew's back, get Harris back fully healthy. Wear down the other teams DL with two huge power RBs. If not you stand no chance. You're better off missing playoffs and getting a better draft slot. Umass I heard I think Zolak was mentioning this when we played the Ravens last time , before this season BB used Duggar to shadow him and we won that game. This year Duggar was out against them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 11, 2022 13:20:13 GMT -5
Reports of CJ Moseley and Shaq Leonard calling out our plays before they happen the last couple weeks MATTY P ROCKET SCIENTIST I’d kill for mcdaniels at this point, and that’s coming from a guy who almost threw himself out a window every time they ran a 3rd and 5 draw to Bolden Then shouldn't Mac Jones be changing the plays?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 11, 2022 13:24:50 GMT -5
This season when they call in a offensive lineman an extra one everyone on the field knows there running. I think they get stuffed every time they do this. It worked great until we played 3 straight really good DL with elite players. It just exposed a weak OL. Obviously not best way, yet Bill has done that a bunch over the last 20 plus years. Would certainly help to have a blocking TE and maybe a fullback, give you more options and giving the D more things to consider.
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Post by cdj on Nov 11, 2022 15:00:38 GMT -5
Reports of CJ Moseley and Shaq Leonard calling out our plays before they happen the last couple weeks MATTY P ROCKET SCIENTIST I’d kill for mcdaniels at this point, and that’s coming from a guy who almost threw himself out a window every time they ran a 3rd and 5 draw to Bolden Then shouldn't Mac Jones be changing the plays? I’m sure he does, gotta put him in a position to have success though. Apparently they are calling out screens and zone runs in particular Fortunately won both games pretty handily but it’s just concerning. Mac’s regressed and he certainly deserves some blame for that but I think the regression can be traced directly back to the only thing that’s different- the Qb coach and the OC. Some blame on a bad O-line too. They hired a ST coach and a defensive coordinator to try to bring up a young QB. That’s borderline malpractice
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 12, 2022 12:41:15 GMT -5
Then shouldn't Mac Jones be changing the plays? I’m sure he does, gotta put him in a position to have success though. Apparently they are calling out screens and zone runs in particular Fortunately won both games pretty handily but it’s just concerning. Mac’s regressed and he certainly deserves some blame for that but I think the regression can be traced directly back to the only thing that’s different- the Qb coach and the OC. Some blame on a bad O-line too. They hired a ST coach and a defensive coordinator to try to bring up a young QB. That’s borderline malpractice I'd say he's struggling to read the D before the snap just as much as after the snap. Key to Brady being GOAT is changing plays because he was darn good at reading the D before and after snap. What you're seeing is Mac Jones only played like 1.5 years at Bama as a starter with dominant talent. Asking him to do normal crap is exposing his weaknesses. He needs this, I fully expect he'll succeed and become better for it. You can't baby him like last year. First that's not going to help his development. 2nd you literally can't do it, the OL is crap, so you can't be a dominant run team right now to make this easier on him. You blaming those guys for drafting Strange whos been man handled by elite DT and pulled two weeks in a row? You think MP ordered switching Brown and Wynn first thing in offseason before seeing them even play? Those are on Bill. Could have traded Wynn, kept Mason and moved Onwenu to RT for example. Those two did brilliant work with Zappe! Thing is Zappe had a lot more experience in College in multiple different offense and never had the dominant talent level Mac did, it shows. Just remember this started end of last year as they started to open up offense, he started to struggle. Yet last year the OL and running game were much better. I'm actually really impressed with both coaches. The adjustments they make in game. Plays they've drawed up for Mac and the offense. They are getting people open much more than last year, Mac is just missing them. It will come with time or he's not going to be the QB we thought. Go on Twitter, tons of good film breakdown showing Mac locking onto one guy, not allowing guys to run routes to get open even with clean pocket and missing his dump down guy on the regular. He's also trying to do more with his feet this year, which has resulted in some nice runs, yet a bunch of extra sacks when he should have just thrown it away. I probably blame Zappe for that one because he's so good at it, Macs trying to do it more. Yet his inexperience doing it is showing, he doesn't know when to do it and when to just throw ball away. He just takes off and runs, Zappe takes off to buy time to pass. Growing pains and if you watched the amount of tape I did on Mac Jones at Bama this isn’t surprising. He's never dealt with this before. Let's see how he adjusts and grows for rest of the year. Good comparison is Ime and Celtics, whole bunch of ugly before it took off
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2022 10:38:18 GMT -5
Interesting discussion here:
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 17, 2022 14:22:04 GMT -5
That’s the coaches when they do the films should catch that. There timing is off. That was a great job.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 17, 2022 14:39:40 GMT -5
That’s the coaches when they do the films should catch that. There timing is off. That was a great job. The coaches they put around Mac Jones this year is a travesty.
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Post by cdj on Nov 17, 2022 17:35:56 GMT -5
The spacing on one of those plays is an absolute disgrace and something you should never see in an NFL game. Whoever is designing the plays is an idiot.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 17, 2022 18:04:53 GMT -5
That’s the coaches when they do the films should catch that. There timing is off. That was a great job. The coaches they put around Mac Jones this year is a travesty. Breer put O'Brien to the Pats back on the table for next year.
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Post by cdj on Nov 17, 2022 19:33:12 GMT -5
The coaches they put around Mac Jones this year is a travesty. Breer put O'Brien to the Pats back on the table for next year. I would cry tears of happiness
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 17, 2022 21:06:04 GMT -5
That’s what I thought was going to happen.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 18, 2022 8:35:39 GMT -5
Ask Alabama fans how THEY feel about O'Brien. They are ready to pack his backs and carry him onto Kraft's plane. I was all for his return (and frankly expected it before the season) but not fully sure he'd be the savior we hope.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 18, 2022 17:00:06 GMT -5
First, Barmore was ruled out for Sunday. Now, he's been placed on IR. Not great.
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Post by costpet on Nov 19, 2022 8:35:21 GMT -5
I wonder if BB changed the offense during the bye week or will it be the same old predictable one. Will the pass protection be better with Andrews back? Will they finally use Thornton as a weapon? Will anything change at all? I have no faith in the offense. It seems they rely on the defense to make plays so they can kick a field goal. Hey 3 points is 3 points.
After watching Brady last weekend, I came away thinking he hasn't lost a thing. Give him 2 minutes and no time outs and he's in his element. He looks as good as he ever was. At least we had him for 20 years. I wish Kraft had stepped in and forced BB to keep him. But, you know BB. Once you're in his doghouse, that's it.
If Mac doesn't show any more than he has this year, we're drafting a QB next year.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2022 16:34:26 GMT -5
Bailey to IR. Palardy the new punter
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