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Patriots 2022 Season Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 1, 2022 23:12:49 GMT -5
In fairness there’s probably like 2 ppl who would look like an nfl Qb with that line Not so sure. Takes forever for him to get the ball out, make a decision - yes, awful line - but my view - awful QB. At least the way he is being coached. Too many problems to even categorize at this point - the team is a bloody mess. Season is toast.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 1, 2022 23:24:16 GMT -5
Listening to the first comments after the game - main points
there is a serious quarterback problem. Mac is so freaked he is spinning out of situations where there is no pressure Patricia has no business being involved in the offense - blaming the horrendous time mgt on him, esp just before the end of the first half - and horrendous use of time outs.
Main words being used - pathetic, embarrassing - and the Bills are now the Pats - and the Pats are now the Bills - they've flipped stature.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 2, 2022 1:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Dec 2, 2022 1:17:07 GMT -5
I watched it, looked a lot more like he said the bleeping short game sucks.
The team clearly has zero respect for Patricia though. Basically throwing him under the best without directly doing it in the postgame. Bourne being the least subtle of them all (not surprising as he has been in the Pencil Genius’s doghouse all year)
There’s a reason why lions fans cackled when he was made unofficial OC. The cronyism and nepotism with the coaching staff has made this team borderline unwatchable. It would be one thing if Patricia was brought back as DC- he’s at least won in that role. This was just so unfathomably stupid to do to a 2nd year QB. They may have ruined the guy.
I saw this earlier- QBs they’ve beaten this season:
Ehlinger Trubisky Brissett Wilson Wilson Goff
Only 1 of them is still starter. We have a below average football team and I sneaky hope we lose out to get good picks
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 2, 2022 11:57:23 GMT -5
Listening to the first comments after the game - main points there is a serious quarterback problem. Mac is so freaked he is spinning out of situations where there is no pressure Patricia has no business being involved in the offense - blaming the horrendous time mgt on him, esp just before the end of the first half - and horrendous use of time outs. Main words being used - pathetic, embarrassing - and the Bills are now the Pats - and the Pats are now the Bills - they've flipped stature. Whoa, I wouldn’t go that far. Brady went 33-3 against the Bills. Thats almost 20 years of dominance wire-to-wire, aside from the Super Bowls.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 2, 2022 12:19:08 GMT -5
I watched it, looked a lot more like he said the bleeping short game sucks. The team clearly has zero respect for Patricia though. Basically throwing him under the best without directly doing it in the postgame. Bourne being the least subtle of them all (not surprising as he has been in the Pencil Genius’s doghouse all year) There’s a reason why lions fans cackled when he was made unofficial OC. The cronyism and nepotism with the coaching staff has made this team borderline unwatchable. It would be one thing if Patricia was brought back as DC- he’s at least won in that role. This was just so unfathomably stupid to do to a 2nd year QB. They may have ruined the guy. I saw this earlier- QBs they’ve beaten this season: Ehlinger Trubisky Brissett Wilson Wilson Goff Only 1 of them is still starter. We have a below average football team and I sneaky hope we lose out to get good picks You know what I like, I don’t even have to post CDJ has this team covered already.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Dec 2, 2022 12:37:58 GMT -5
This offense is laughable, the opposing defense knows what the pats are doing. Coaching matters, the decision to put two "defensive" coaches in charge of the offense and work with a developing QB is on BB. If I were Kraft I would be all over BB.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 2, 2022 13:20:57 GMT -5
If I'm Kraft I'm telling Bill he's no longer the GM. The roster is not that bad. They’ve had a couple good drafts in a row and their major free agent signings have been, on average, fine. Coaching and execution has been the issue. The roster isn't horrible yet the big issue is his big free agent spending on average. Look at #3 to #6 on cap numbers, they are all a joke. He gave a DT a 2 year 20 million extension and he had a 41 PFF grade before last game. Restructuring Junno so you can't cut him after this year. Nevermind the high amount of dead cap money.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Dec 2, 2022 13:21:28 GMT -5
The Pats are 5-9 in Mac's last 14 starts including the postseason (since the wind game against the Bills last year). The Patriots used to be a team that would peak post-Thanksgiving, but it looks like for the fourth straight year we'll see them play poorly down the stretch.
To me, this year has been even less enjoyable to follow than the Cam Newton 2020 season. This roster is much better than 2020, but that's part of the issue - in 2020 I felt like they did as well as we could've hoped, but this team is underachieving imo, and even worse it's an undisciplined team that routinely plays poorly in key situations in all three phases. It's just a tough product to watch and root for, beyond the record.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 2, 2022 16:09:34 GMT -5
The roster is not that bad. They’ve had a couple good drafts in a row and their major free agent signings have been, on average, fine. Coaching and execution has been the issue. The roster isn't horrible yet the big issue is his big free agent spending on average. Look at #3 to #6 on cap numbers, they are all a joke. He gave a DT a 2 year 20 million extension and he had a 41 PFF grade before last game. Restructuring Junno so you can't cut him after this year. Nevermind the high amount of dead cap money. Finally found someone who speaks my language here. Lol.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 2, 2022 16:24:35 GMT -5
The roster is not that bad. They’ve had a couple good drafts in a row and their major free agent signings have been, on average, fine. Coaching and execution has been the issue. The roster isn't horrible yet the big issue is his big free agent spending on average. Look at #3 to #6 on cap numbers, they are all a joke. He gave a DT a 2 year 20 million extension and he had a 41 PFF grade before last game. Restructuring Junno so you can't cut him after this year. Nevermind the high amount of dead cap money. I heard a great point on the radio. The only NFL free agents are guys organizations were comfortable with letting walk away because they didn't believe they were guys you build around or are core to a team. The Patriots didn't overspend because they had great cap management. They did what any bad team does, spend big in the off-season because your draft picks didn't pan out. They didn't supplement a strong roster. They got whatever talent that they could because their roster was barren. The only way you get premium talent in the NFL is either draft or trade and then you use your cap dollars to retain said talent. If Bill took Nick Chubb instead of Sony Michel, or DK Metcalf (or Deebo or AJ Brown) instead of N'Keal Harry, the Patriots aren't splurging to try and buy their way to mediocrity. They whiffed so badly on TWO TEs in the draft they signed two guys who have been incredibly underwhelming.
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Post by kcarl on Dec 2, 2022 17:41:12 GMT -5
Judon
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 2, 2022 19:25:18 GMT -5
There's always exceptions to rules and in his case, he outperformed what he had been. Prior to signing, his career high for a season in sacks was 9.5. He had 10.5 with 6 games to go last season. But they did tag him at one point so they tried to work something out for him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2022 14:24:47 GMT -5
The roster isn't horrible yet the big issue is his big free agent spending on average. Look at #3 to #6 on cap numbers, they are all a joke. He gave a DT a 2 year 20 million extension and he had a 41 PFF grade before last game. Restructuring Junno so you can't cut him after this year. Nevermind the high amount of dead cap money. I heard a great point on the radio. The only NFL free agents are guys organizations were comfortable with letting walk away because they didn't believe they were guys you build around or are core to a team. The Patriots didn't overspend because they had great cap management. They did what any bad team does, spend big in the off-season because your draft picks didn't pan out. They didn't supplement a strong roster. They got whatever talent that they could because their roster was barren. The only way you get premium talent in the NFL is either draft or trade and then you use your cap dollars to retain said talent. If Bill took Nick Chubb instead of Sony Michel, or DK Metcalf (or Deebo or AJ Brown) instead of N'Keal Harry, the Patriots aren't splurging to try and buy their way to mediocrity. They whiffed so badly on TWO TEs in the draft they signed two guys who have been incredibly underwhelming. I don't agree, it's not that he didn't do good signings. It's he way overpaid multiple people and you knew it when it happened. Worst yet he doubled down on Jonnu and Godchaux with a restructure and 2 year 20 million extension. Agholor contract was horrible, yet it's done. Doubling down on those two after last year has me worried. That's over 15 million in lost cap space next year. Judon was always a good signing. Hunter Henry was always a good signing even if slightly overpaid. There's a reason Trent Brown was cheap. I have no idea why Bill moved him to LT, signs were there to end last year. Have no idea why he didn't trade Wynn if he was moving him to a position he's never played before in NFL. I also want to point out MP can't be OC and OL coach. People are reading way too much into titles, he's not listed as OC, yet he clearly is one. You can't do both in practice and games. I don't know who it is, Billy Yates? Yet it's not MP. Same way Bills son isn't LB coach like he's listed as and is the DC. Bill doesn't care about titles, yet everyone is using them to bash MP, when it makes zero sense. Biggest mistake this year is Bill forgetting about OL and that chemistry matters. Four players at new positions. First round OG more of the problem than solution. Mac Jones might be a little more mobile than Brady, yet OL matters just as much, he's not good on the move. Then not having a backup plan with a good blocking TE and even a fullback to help address the issues. Bill forgot the basics of what Brady had for 20 years that allowed him to be good each year. They can't pass block and they can't run block, not much you can do with that OL.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 19:22:53 GMT -5
I don't blame only Bill for this roster Kraft needs half blame for this. Do really think Bill woke up one morning and said I'm going to trade Shaq Mason and make my job harder today of course not that was Kraft and he didn't care what the end results are he just wanted more money in his pocket. Does Bill do the best job constructing a roster no but at this point in his career he will reward the players he likes and hire the coaches he wants because he knows Kraft is only in for the money and not about winning so Bill does what is best for his kids, buddies and catching Don Shula. This is coming from somebody who hates Bill but I need to be fair and not blame Bill for every roster move like everybody does. I could go on all day about this, but you really want make yourself vomit in your mouth go read forbes articles. Just out line of the articles Jerry jones makes over 800 million dollars a year Kraft in second makes over 700 million year but is always at the bottom in payroll in the league. This doesn't make Kraft a bad guy he does great work with charity. Kraft brings in revenue of the New York Yankees but as the pay roll of Tamapa bay Rays.
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Post by cdj on Dec 4, 2022 19:50:46 GMT -5
They have spent to the cap, they literally cannot spend more money. It is absolutely not on Kraft.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 20:21:05 GMT -5
Spending on the cap like they did this year with Judon contract. More guaranteed money next year more cap space spent next year. There is no reason for Kraft to spend more money fans like you didn't understand Cap space spent and guaranteed money spent big difference. People on this site who know how it work would agree with me.
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Post by cdj on Dec 4, 2022 20:50:49 GMT -5
They had to restructure Judon’s deal to create money for the rest of the season
Also I can do without the condescension.
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Post by jmei on Dec 4, 2022 20:52:28 GMT -5
There are definitely some owners who care more about cash expenditures than cap space. Kraft is not one of them.
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Post by cdj on Dec 4, 2022 20:55:04 GMT -5
As far as I’m concerned they aren’t skimping on the roster
They’re skimping on the coaching staff
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 0:07:39 GMT -5
I heard a great point on the radio. The only NFL free agents are guys organizations were comfortable with letting walk away because they didn't believe they were guys you build around or are core to a team. The Patriots didn't overspend because they had great cap management. They did what any bad team does, spend big in the off-season because your draft picks didn't pan out. They didn't supplement a strong roster. They got whatever talent that they could because their roster was barren. The only way you get premium talent in the NFL is either draft or trade and then you use your cap dollars to retain said talent. If Bill took Nick Chubb instead of Sony Michel, or DK Metcalf (or Deebo or AJ Brown) instead of N'Keal Harry, the Patriots aren't splurging to try and buy their way to mediocrity. They whiffed so badly on TWO TEs in the draft they signed two guys who have been incredibly underwhelming. I don't agree, it's not that he didn't do good signings. It's he way overpaid multiple people and you knew it when it happened. Worst yet he doubled down on Jonnu and Godchaux with a restructure and 2 year 20 million extension. Agholor contract was horrible, yet it's done. Doubling down on those two after last year has me worried. That's over 15 million in lost cap space next year. Judon was always a good signing. Hunter Henry was always a good signing even if slightly overpaid. There's a reason Trent Brown was cheap. I have no idea why Bill moved him to LT, signs were there to end last year. Have no idea why he didn't trade Wynn if he was moving him to a position he's never played before in NFL. I also want to point out MP can't be OC and OL coach. People are reading way too much into titles, he's not listed as OC, yet he clearly is one. You can't do both in practice and games. I don't know who it is, Billy Yates? Yet it's not MP. Same way Bills son isn't LB coach like he's listed as and is the DC. Bill doesn't care about titles, yet everyone is using them to bash MP, when it makes zero sense. Biggest mistake this year is Bill forgetting about OL and that chemistry matters. Four players at new positions. First round OG more of the problem than solution. Mac Jones might be a little more mobile than Brady, yet OL matters just as much, he's not good on the move. Then not having a backup plan with a good blocking TE and even a fullback to help address the issues. Bill forgot the basics of what Brady had for 20 years that allowed him to be good each year. They can't pass block and they can't run block, not much you can do with that OL. Judon was always a good signing, but if the Ravens knew he was going to he a +13 sack per year guy, I don't think they let him walk, which is really the point. Judon has exceeded any logical expectation. It's a credit to him and the team for securing the asset. Before he came here his sacks were 6.0 9.5 7.0 8.0 4.0 The 2 years he's been here. 12.5 13.0 (still counting) Hunter Henry has been a fine player. He's not nearly worth the contract he got. In 12 games this year he has 25 receptions and 2 touchdowns. Last year he had 50 receptions and 9 touchdowns in 17 games. Before he got here he was 60 receptions and 4 touchdowns. I think the expectations were he and Jonnu were going to be a poor man's Gronkowski and Hernandez. Instead, we got Henry only really being targeted in the red zone last year with nothing really happening this year and Jonnu being a complete ghost. Jonnu has 22 receptions and 0 TD this year. Henry has been an average starter and Jonnu was a complete bust. Patricia's official title is OL coach, but if you want to say that's his role, it's a failure. If you want to say his role is offensive play calling, it's a failure. It's just amplified if he really is doing both. Bill's son is also terrible at his job if you believe he's the defensive coordinator. They can't stop mobile quarterbacks and their defense has yet to stop an elite offense. I do agree that the OL is a major problem, which again, is Bill's fault between getting rid of Mason, the OL coach, moving Brown and Wynn out of position and drafting Strange. They struck lightning in a bottle with Brown playing like he cared and thought that they could replicate that, but doing so by playing him in a position he's uncomfortable with and wasn't properly consulted about (according to him). Their second best free agent signing has one foot out the door too thanks to Matt Patricia. This team is a couple of plays away from the Jets being 9-3 and the Patriots 4-8. Think about how badly Zach Wilson screwed up those two games.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 0:12:53 GMT -5
Spending on the cap like they did this year with Judon contract. More guaranteed money next year more cap space spent next year. There is no reason for Kraft to spend more money fans like you didn't understand Cap space spent and guaranteed money spent big difference. People on this site who know how it work would agree with me. I see where you're coming from that in terms of dollars spent, the Patriots are 27th. With that said, I don't think Kraft is giving Bill a budget. I don't see any reports or rumors that Kraft is by any means cheap. He publicly announced he expects the Patriots in the playoffs this year. I think the moves made are on Bill and Bill alone. Kraft has been very hands off and writes the checks Bill asks him to sign because Kraft trusts Bill. Link from what I'm seeing in regards to total cash: www.spotrac.com/nfl/cash/
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Post by cdj on Dec 5, 2022 1:22:52 GMT -5
The notion that Kraft was like “Shaq Mason gotta go” is silly
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 5, 2022 13:00:22 GMT -5
Spending on the cap like they did this year with Judon contract. More guaranteed money next year more cap space spent next year. There is no reason for Kraft to spend more money fans like you didn't understand Cap space spent and guaranteed money spent big difference. People on this site who know how it work would agree with me. I have a darn good understanding of the cap and how it works. I don't agree, Bill went crazy last year doing exactly what you're talking about. It's the reason we were so limited this year and have so much dead money. Doubling down again given the roster would have been a mistake. More contracts like McCourty wouldn't be good. Doing more Jonnu restructures wouldn't be good. More Agholor type deals wouldn't be good. The bill always comes due and you don't start extreme crap like that given what he already did. It's not that he didn't spend guaranteed money, it's who he spent it on. Imagine he pays Thuney instead of Jonnu, frees up a first round pick.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 13:14:38 GMT -5
Bengals beat KC. Raiders have been unbeatable since Carr had a mental breakdown. Kyler Murray will play against the Patriots. Still have to play the Bills and Miami again.
The road ahead isn't looking promising. It's possible the Patriots lose out.
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