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Patriots 2022 Season Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 5, 2022 13:21:03 GMT -5
I don't agree, it's not that he didn't do good signings. It's he way overpaid multiple people and you knew it when it happened. Worst yet he doubled down on Jonnu and Godchaux with a restructure and 2 year 20 million extension. Agholor contract was horrible, yet it's done. Doubling down on those two after last year has me worried. That's over 15 million in lost cap space next year. Judon was always a good signing. Hunter Henry was always a good signing even if slightly overpaid. There's a reason Trent Brown was cheap. I have no idea why Bill moved him to LT, signs were there to end last year. Have no idea why he didn't trade Wynn if he was moving him to a position he's never played before in NFL. I also want to point out MP can't be OC and OL coach. People are reading way too much into titles, he's not listed as OC, yet he clearly is one. You can't do both in practice and games. I don't know who it is, Billy Yates? Yet it's not MP. Same way Bills son isn't LB coach like he's listed as and is the DC. Bill doesn't care about titles, yet everyone is using them to bash MP, when it makes zero sense. Biggest mistake this year is Bill forgetting about OL and that chemistry matters. Four players at new positions. First round OG more of the problem than solution. Mac Jones might be a little more mobile than Brady, yet OL matters just as much, he's not good on the move. Then not having a backup plan with a good blocking TE and even a fullback to help address the issues. Bill forgot the basics of what Brady had for 20 years that allowed him to be good each year. They can't pass block and they can't run block, not much you can do with that OL. Judon was always a good signing, but if the Ravens knew he was going to he a +13 sack per year guy, I don't think they let him walk, which is really the point. Judon has exceeded any logical expectation. It's a credit to him and the team for securing the asset. Before he came here his sacks were 6.0 9.5 7.0 8.0 4.0 The 2 years he's been here. 12.5 13.0 (still counting) Hunter Henry has been a fine player. He's not nearly worth the contract he got. In 12 games this year he has 25 receptions and 2 touchdowns. Last year he had 50 receptions and 9 touchdowns in 17 games. Before he got here he was 60 receptions and 4 touchdowns. I think the expectations were he and Jonnu were going to be a poor man's Gronkowski and Hernandez. Instead, we got Henry only really being targeted in the red zone last year with nothing really happening this year and Jonnu being a complete ghost. Jonnu has 22 receptions and 0 TD this year. Henry has been an average starter and Jonnu was a complete bust. Patricia's official title is OL coach, but if you want to say that's his role, it's a failure. If you want to say his role is offensive play calling, it's a failure. It's just amplified if he really is doing both. Bill's son is also terrible at his job if you believe he's the defensive coordinator. They can't stop mobile quarterbacks and their defense has yet to stop an elite offense. I do agree that the OL is a major problem, which again, is Bill's fault between getting rid of Mason, the OL coach, moving Brown and Wynn out of position and drafting Strange. They struck lightning in a bottle with Brown playing like he cared and thought that they could replicate that, but doing so by playing him in a position he's uncomfortable with and wasn't properly consulted about (according to him). Their second best free agent signing has one foot out the door too thanks to Matt Patricia. This team is a couple of plays away from the Jets being 9-3 and the Patriots 4-8. Think about how badly Zach Wilson screwed up those two games. Using just sacks is like using ERA to say how good a pitcher is. I use total pressures, QB knockdowns, hurries and sacks. He was darn good for the 3 years before signing at over 2 per game. Went from 3-4 to 4-3 and they franchised him, by definition a guy teams want to keep given the huge amount it costs. Yeah I don't agree. Same player, Patriots have just helped make him a little better. I have zero issues with Henrys production last year. Slightly overpaid like most free agents yet one of the top ten players at his position. Jonnu is the huge mistake. Top money and he produces like a so so #2 TE and isn't a good blocker. I'm saying it's impossible and you're reading way too much into titles that Bill doesn't care about. Go ask one of the beat reporters who's been working with the OL. Who's coaching them on game day, not something you can see watching on TV. Bills son is clearly the DC and has been for years. Why can't they stop mobile QBs? He's not good at his job or his dad left a massive hole in the D with crazy slow LBers? Same thing with MP, they can only work with what they were given. Everyone had a speedy LB on their draft lists for a reason. Only guy with good speed in today's NFL is on the practice squad. Two massive holes on this roster, LB and OL, that's on Bill, not the coaches. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 14:10:37 GMT -5
Judon was always a good signing, but if the Ravens knew he was going to he a +13 sack per year guy, I don't think they let him walk, which is really the point. Judon has exceeded any logical expectation. It's a credit to him and the team for securing the asset. Before he came here his sacks were 6.0 9.5 7.0 8.0 4.0 The 2 years he's been here. 12.5 13.0 (still counting) Hunter Henry has been a fine player. He's not nearly worth the contract he got. In 12 games this year he has 25 receptions and 2 touchdowns. Last year he had 50 receptions and 9 touchdowns in 17 games. Before he got here he was 60 receptions and 4 touchdowns. I think the expectations were he and Jonnu were going to be a poor man's Gronkowski and Hernandez. Instead, we got Henry only really being targeted in the red zone last year with nothing really happening this year and Jonnu being a complete ghost. Jonnu has 22 receptions and 0 TD this year. Henry has been an average starter and Jonnu was a complete bust. Patricia's official title is OL coach, but if you want to say that's his role, it's a failure. If you want to say his role is offensive play calling, it's a failure. It's just amplified if he really is doing both. Bill's son is also terrible at his job if you believe he's the defensive coordinator. They can't stop mobile quarterbacks and their defense has yet to stop an elite offense. I do agree that the OL is a major problem, which again, is Bill's fault between getting rid of Mason, the OL coach, moving Brown and Wynn out of position and drafting Strange. They struck lightning in a bottle with Brown playing like he cared and thought that they could replicate that, but doing so by playing him in a position he's uncomfortable with and wasn't properly consulted about (according to him). Their second best free agent signing has one foot out the door too thanks to Matt Patricia. This team is a couple of plays away from the Jets being 9-3 and the Patriots 4-8. Think about how badly Zach Wilson screwed up those two games. Using just sacks is like using ERA to say how good a pitcher is. I use total pressures, QB knockdowns, hurries and sacks. He was darn good for the 3 years before signing at over 2 per game. Went from 3-4 to 4-3 and they franchised him, by definition a guy teams want to keep given the huge amount it costs. Yeah I don't agree. Same player, Patriots have just helped make him a little better. I have zero issues with Henrys production last year. Slightly overpaid like most free agents yet one of the top ten players at his position. Jonnu is the huge mistake. Top money and he produces like a so so #2 TE and isn't a good blocker. I'm saying it's impossible and you're reading way too much into titles that Bill doesn't care about. Go ask one of the beat reporters who's been working with the OL. Who's coaching them on game day, not something you can see watching on TV. Bills son is clearly the DC and has been for years. Why can't they stop mobile QBs? He's not good at his job or his dad left a massive hole in the D with crazy slow LBers? Same thing with MP, they can only work with what they were given. Everyone had a speedy LB on their draft lists for a reason. Only guy with good speed in today's NFL is on the practice squad. Two massive holes on this roster, LB and OL, that's on Bill, not the coaches. The point wasn't that guys who leave via FA suck. They're just typically not core guys because, generally speaking, they either lock up the guys they believe in or trade sob they don't lose a valuable asset. For example, DeVante Adams was traded to the Raiders and then signed a 5 year deal. That's a guy people knew was a core player. Same with Tyreek Hill. You can sign nice players, but you shouldn't expect franchise altering players from the free agent market. You can get solid regulars, which is what Hunter Henry has been. This year, Henry is not a top 10 TE. Jonnu has been a complete bust. Judon has had more pressure, sacks, and tackles since coming here. The Ravens did franchise tag him. They could have tagged and trade, but I'm willing to accept that the Ravens just mismanaged a valuable asset, but he'd still be more of an exception to the rule. Lamar Jackson would be another because he's gambling on his health and future and has turned down huge extentions. After him it seems like the next best available are NFL regulars at best. Elgton Jenkins is an interesting name for the Patriots to look into if he hits the market. Javon Hargrave is going to be 30, but he's a force. Maybe I'm wrong and there are more guys you can build a core around in FA. Stephon Gilmore was certainly a core guy. I'm not denying MP is the offensive play caller. I also don't doubt he has a more limited role in OL. I wouldn't even surprised if he didn't do any work with them, but I haven't seen that. I see an article of Onwenu talking about working with both. www.patspulpit.com/2022/6/7/23158705/michael-onwenu-hard-coaching-patriots-offensive-line-matt-patricia-billy-yatesThat's a fair point about the slow LBers against mobile QBs, but they also just got torched against Kirk Cousins and really any QB who isn't a borderline backup. Outside of the Lions this year and the wind game in Buffalo, what has been an outstanding defensive performance? Tampa? I feel like that one was a game Bill really wanted to dial it up for. I mean games against good offenses. They picked off Darnold 3 times and held the Panthers to 6 points last year. When you say LB and OL are issues, are you also saying you think Steve and Patricia are fine in their roles? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 5, 2022 16:22:48 GMT -5
Using just sacks is like using ERA to say how good a pitcher is. I use total pressures, QB knockdowns, hurries and sacks. He was darn good for the 3 years before signing at over 2 per game. Went from 3-4 to 4-3 and they franchised him, by definition a guy teams want to keep given the huge amount it costs. Yeah I don't agree. Same player, Patriots have just helped make him a little better. I have zero issues with Henrys production last year. Slightly overpaid like most free agents yet one of the top ten players at his position. Jonnu is the huge mistake. Top money and he produces like a so so #2 TE and isn't a good blocker. I'm saying it's impossible and you're reading way too much into titles that Bill doesn't care about. Go ask one of the beat reporters who's been working with the OL. Who's coaching them on game day, not something you can see watching on TV. Bills son is clearly the DC and has been for years. Why can't they stop mobile QBs? He's not good at his job or his dad left a massive hole in the D with crazy slow LBers? Same thing with MP, they can only work with what they were given. Everyone had a speedy LB on their draft lists for a reason. Only guy with good speed in today's NFL is on the practice squad. Two massive holes on this roster, LB and OL, that's on Bill, not the coaches. The point wasn't that guys who leave via FA suck. They're just typically not core guys because, generally speaking, they either lock up the guys they believe in or trade sob they don't lose a valuable asset. For example, DeVante Adams was traded to the Raiders and then signed a 5 year deal. That's a guy people knew was a core player. Same with Tyreek Hill. You can sign nice players, but you shouldn't expect franchise altering players from the free agent market. You can get solid regulars, which is what Hunter Henry has been. This year, Henry is not a top 10 TE. Jonnu has been a complete bust. Judon has had more pressure, sacks, and tackles since coming here. The Ravens did franchise tag him. They could have tagged and trade, but I'm willing to accept that the Ravens just mismanaged a valuable asset, but he'd still be more of an exception to the rule. Lamar Jackson would be another because he's gambling on his health and future and has turned down huge extentions. After him it seems like the next best available are NFL regulars at best. Elgton Jenkins is an interesting name for the Patriots to look into if he hits the market. Javon Hargrave is going to be 30, but he's a force. Maybe I'm wrong and there are more guys you can build a core around in FA. Stephon Gilmore was certainly a core guy. I'm not denying MP is the offensive play caller. I also don't doubt he has a more limited role in OL. I wouldn't even surprised if he didn't do any work with them, but I haven't seen that. I see an article of Onwenu talking about working with both. www.patspulpit.com/2022/6/7/23158705/michael-onwenu-hard-coaching-patriots-offensive-line-matt-patricia-billy-yatesThat's a fair point about the slow LBers against mobile QBs, but they also just got torched against Kirk Cousins and really any QB who isn't a borderline backup. Outside of the Lions this year and the wind game in Buffalo, what has been an outstanding defensive performance? Tampa? I feel like that one was a game Bill really wanted to dial it up for. I mean games against good offenses. They picked off Darnold 3 times and held the Panthers to 6 points last year. When you say LB and OL are issues, are you also saying you think Steve and Patricia are fine in their roles? Which is it core players or franchise altering players? There’s a massive difference, you can easily get core players. Franchise altering is a different story, there aren't many. Look at your two examples, Adams team isn't doing well and Hills team is. Team sport, very few players that can change an entire franchise, mostly QBs. That article says Bill Yates is likely going to be named OL coach, yet he wasn't. Yet I do believe that's what he is. OC will work with everyone, especially in those early camps. You really need to throw titles to the wind with the Patriots and look at who's doing what. I have no idea, I haven't studied the Free Agent class enough yet. Yet they don't need tons of elite players either, you just can't have two horrible OTs, a horrible OG and no good depth. No blocking TE and no fullback. You'll have to give me time because I combine free agency and the draft, to figure out what's available and what your options are. They didn't get torched by Cousins, 14 points is on special Teams. I don't have any issues with Steve. With MP how do you judge him with that OL? I've seen good and bad, yet have no problem with him coming back and seeing what he can do with a better OL. Get him a good blocking TE, bring in a fullback to camp, give the guy options and the tools he needs. Good slot WR. Yet it all starts with OL, worst I've seen in two decades. Any decent D lives in the backfield all game long. |
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Post by cdj on Dec 5, 2022 16:25:56 GMT -5
I judge that MP is bad as an OC because literally everybody including his own players say he’s bad
I agree Dan!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 16:53:28 GMT -5
The point wasn't that guys who leave via FA suck. They're just typically not core guys because, generally speaking, they either lock up the guys they believe in or trade sob they don't lose a valuable asset. For example, DeVante Adams was traded to the Raiders and then signed a 5 year deal. That's a guy people knew was a core player. Same with Tyreek Hill. You can sign nice players, but you shouldn't expect franchise altering players from the free agent market. You can get solid regulars, which is what Hunter Henry has been. This year, Henry is not a top 10 TE. Jonnu has been a complete bust. Judon has had more pressure, sacks, and tackles since coming here. The Ravens did franchise tag him. They could have tagged and trade, but I'm willing to accept that the Ravens just mismanaged a valuable asset, but he'd still be more of an exception to the rule. Lamar Jackson would be another because he's gambling on his health and future and has turned down huge extentions. After him it seems like the next best available are NFL regulars at best. Elgton Jenkins is an interesting name for the Patriots to look into if he hits the market. Javon Hargrave is going to be 30, but he's a force. Maybe I'm wrong and there are more guys you can build a core around in FA. Stephon Gilmore was certainly a core guy. I'm not denying MP is the offensive play caller. I also don't doubt he has a more limited role in OL. I wouldn't even surprised if he didn't do any work with them, but I haven't seen that. I see an article of Onwenu talking about working with both. www.patspulpit.com/2022/6/7/23158705/michael-onwenu-hard-coaching-patriots-offensive-line-matt-patricia-billy-yatesThat's a fair point about the slow LBers against mobile QBs, but they also just got torched against Kirk Cousins and really any QB who isn't a borderline backup. Outside of the Lions this year and the wind game in Buffalo, what has been an outstanding defensive performance? Tampa? I feel like that one was a game Bill really wanted to dial it up for. I mean games against good offenses. They picked off Darnold 3 times and held the Panthers to 6 points last year. When you say LB and OL are issues, are you also saying you think Steve and Patricia are fine in their roles? Which is it core players or franchise altering players? There’s a massive difference, you can easily get core players. Franchise altering is a different story, there aren't many. Look at your two examples, Adams team isn't doing well and Hills team is. Team sport, very few players that can change an entire franchise, mostly QBs. That article says Bill Yates is likely going to be named OL coach, yet he wasn't. Yet I do believe that's what he is. OC will work with everyone, especially in those early camps. You really need to throw titles to the wind with the Patriots and look at who's doing what. I have no idea, I haven't studied the Free Agent class enough yet. Yet they don't need tons of elite players either, you just can't have two horrible OTs, a horrible OG and no good depth. No blocking TE and no fullback. You'll have to give me time because I combine free agency and the draft, to figure out what's available and what your options are. They didn't get torched by Cousins, 14 points is on special Teams. I don't have any issues with Steve. With MP how do you judge him with that OL? I've seen good and bad, yet have no problem with him coming back and seeing what he can do with a better OL. Get him a good blocking TE, bring in a fullback to camp, give the guy options and the tools he needs. Good slot WR. Yet it all starts with OL, worst I've seen in two decades. Any decent D lives in the backfield all game long. Core players I don't consider a solid starter to be "core" so maybe that's the breakdown here. The Raiders look like they have figured something out despite their horrific start to the year, but at the moment they're still out of it. Yes, it's a team sport and I'm not in love with Derek Carr at QB and that's generally where teams live and die. I wonder if it just took Josh too long to figure out how to make the pieces work. Jacobs is playing well and Adams is still Adams. That's fair on the titles and OC working with everyone. Either way, there's been very little to love about the MP experience. Even national guys are calling out Patricia. Richard Sherman said, "we all know what the problem is in New England, it's Patricia". The Bengals are an example of a team that still won at a high level despite having a terrible OL. I can't say which OL is better, I just know they went 10-7 and went to the Superbowl last year with a highly critiqued OL. It's a major, major problem, but it can't be the only problem. Kirk Cousins threw for 299 yards 30/37 had 3 TDs and 1 pick. Even Justin Jefferson had an 11 yard completion. They were 8-15 on 3rd down. You were 3-10. They were 0-0 on 4th, you were 0-1. The offense was very good, at least the passing attack was. Patriots stopped the rush but had no answers for the passing game. Exact quotes www.audacy.com/weei/sports/patriots/richard-sherman-tony-gonzalez-blasted-matt-patriciaKendrick Bourne also took a shot at MP too. www.audacy.com/weei/sports/patriots/kendrick-bourne-lets-slip-frustration-with-patriots-offenseAnd then there's the video of Mac screaming at MP on the sidelines, "throw the f* ball. The short/quick games f* sucks". |
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Post by cdj on Dec 5, 2022 17:45:14 GMT -5
the play call for me that did it was the 3rd and long schemed 2 yard drag route. They tried to have blockers set up and everything. Got like 5. Never had a shot.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 20:06:27 GMT -5
Interestingly, I happened to flip to Felger and Mazz and they happened to bring up MP being both the OL and offensive play caller and said insiders said it was a terrible idea for him to do both. Cold be just pulling from their rear, but just interesting that topic got brought up.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 5, 2022 22:50:46 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 23:27:44 GMT -5
I agree that I find it a bit odd that all of a sudden everyone wants Mac to throw the deep ball, but the OL can't possibly be the only reason this offense looks like a highschool team. They're bad, but I don't think they're historically bad. The list of notable people who are or have blasted Patricia directly or indirectly. Richard Sherman Rob Ninkovich James White Kendrick Bourne Dan Orlovsky Mac Jones Sage Rosenfels Matt Hasselbeck Kurt Warner Ted Johnson www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2022/12/03/james-white-mac-jones-patriots-offense-issues-matt-patricia-tom-brady/www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2022/12/02/mac-jones-coaching-matt-patricia-bill-belichick-joe-judge/I haven't heard anyone say he's going to be good, or he's good, but the line breaks down before any play can develop or anything. The best defense for MP is just that his OL sucks and Jones is being stubborn about running his system. The Patriots don't have Chase and Mac isn't Burrow, but he could be Kirk Cousins and he's definitely regressed after a promising rookie season. They do have a plethora of pretty good receivers too. This team is very lucky to have 6 wins. Both those games against the Jets probably should have been losses. |
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Post by jmei on Dec 6, 2022 7:47:28 GMT -5
You can’t play the “those Jets games could have been losses” card without acknowledging that the Packers and Vikings games could easily have been wins.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 6, 2022 8:04:30 GMT -5
You can’t play the “those Jets games could have been losses” card without acknowledging that the Packers and Vikings games could easily have been wins. Fair enough, but they still lost the same way they lose every game. Failure to move the ball in critical spots and taking bad sacks. That 3 and out in OT in GB was just overly conservative play calling that cost them the opportunity. A flag (rightfully called) saved you in the first Jets game, but Hunter Henry probably should have had a touchdown in Minnesota. |
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Post by cdj on Dec 6, 2022 12:53:21 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 6, 2022 13:44:34 GMT -5
I agree that I find it a bit odd that all of a sudden everyone wants Mac to throw the deep ball, but the OL can't possibly be the only reason this offense looks like a highschool team. They're bad, but I don't think they're historically bad. The list of notable people who are or have blasted Patricia directly or indirectly. Richard Sherman Rob Ninkovich James White Kendrick Bourne Dan Orlovsky Mac Jones Sage Rosenfels Matt Hasselbeck Kurt Warner Ted Johnson www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2022/12/03/james-white-mac-jones-patriots-offense-issues-matt-patricia-tom-brady/www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2022/12/02/mac-jones-coaching-matt-patricia-bill-belichick-joe-judge/I haven't heard anyone say he's going to be good, or he's good, but the line breaks down before any play can develop or anything. The best defense for MP is just that his OL sucks and Jones is being stubborn about running his system. The Patriots don't have Chase and Mac isn't Burrow, but he could be Kirk Cousins and he's definitely regressed after a promising rookie season. They do have a plethora of pretty good receivers too. This team is very lucky to have 6 wins. Both those games against the Jets probably should have been losses. Did you watch any of the Cowboys and Vikings? That's how a Cousins with an elite WR looks with an OL that was crap? Highly impressed with that coach's offense and it didn't matter, they couldn't block Cowboys. Has the Patriots offense looked good with time to throw? I have no idea how good MP is, you can't tell with a crap OL struggling against every good D pass blocking and run blocking. That's the whole point. They just ran a quick release short yardage offense to help the OL and the Bills were all over Mac Jones all game. I don't see any OC game planning away that OL and making them look good. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 6, 2022 16:16:58 GMT -5
I agree that I find it a bit odd that all of a sudden everyone wants Mac to throw the deep ball, but the OL can't possibly be the only reason this offense looks like a highschool team. They're bad, but I don't think they're historically bad. The list of notable people who are or have blasted Patricia directly or indirectly. Richard Sherman Rob Ninkovich James White Kendrick Bourne Dan Orlovsky Mac Jones Sage Rosenfels Matt Hasselbeck Kurt Warner Ted Johnson www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2022/12/03/james-white-mac-jones-patriots-offense-issues-matt-patricia-tom-brady/www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2022/12/02/mac-jones-coaching-matt-patricia-bill-belichick-joe-judge/I haven't heard anyone say he's going to be good, or he's good, but the line breaks down before any play can develop or anything. The best defense for MP is just that his OL sucks and Jones is being stubborn about running his system. The Patriots don't have Chase and Mac isn't Burrow, but he could be Kirk Cousins and he's definitely regressed after a promising rookie season. They do have a plethora of pretty good receivers too. This team is very lucky to have 6 wins. Both those games against the Jets probably should have been losses. Did you watch any of the Cowboys and Vikings? That's how a Cousins with an elite WR looks with an OL that was crap? Highly impressed with that coach's offense and it didn't matter, they couldn't block Cowboys. Has the Patriots offense looked good with time to throw? I have no idea how good MP is, you can't tell with a crap OL struggling against every good D pass blocking and run blocking. That's the whole point. They just ran a quick release short yardage offense to help the OL and the Bills were all over Mac Jones all game. I don't see any OC game planning away that OL and making them look good. The OL is bad. That we agree, but it shouldn't be the sole reason this team is this bad. Interestingly, I think the below stats help your case more than me. Though I would also contest the teams below you are also really, really bad and that the Giants are insanely well coached. I'm a bit surprised the Patriots ppg is as high as it is. Mac Jones under pressure: Sacks 25 Knocks 13 Hurry 28 Zappe under pressure: Sacks 6 Knocks 3 Hurry 5 Combined: Sacks 31 Knocks 16 Hurry 33 QB leaders in respective categories Justin Fields - 40 | 27 | 25 Daniel Jones - 37 | 36 | 45 Russell Wilson - 37 | 52 | 31 Matt Ryan - 35 | 46 | 32 Joe Burrow - 34 | 37 | 16 Geno Smith - 31 | 44 | 26 PPG Patriots 20.8 (20th) Chicago 20.8 (20th) Giants 20.1 (21st) Denver 13.8 (32nd) Indy 16.1 (30th) Cincy 26.0 (7th) Seattle 26.5 (5th) Over the past 3 though the Patriots are at 15.3 (near the bottom). They're also worse at home (19.2) than away (22.3). |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 6, 2022 16:18:14 GMT -5
Looking at early mocks and draft lists, baby Gronk stands out. Likely because I'm a huge Notre Dame fan, yet a TE that can pass and run block like he does would be huge. Great blocking TE were a staple on the Brady teams for almost 20 years and there was a reason for that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 6, 2022 16:33:49 GMT -5
Did you watch any of the Cowboys and Vikings? That's how a Cousins with an elite WR looks with an OL that was crap? Highly impressed with that coach's offense and it didn't matter, they couldn't block Cowboys. Has the Patriots offense looked good with time to throw? I have no idea how good MP is, you can't tell with a crap OL struggling against every good D pass blocking and run blocking. That's the whole point. They just ran a quick release short yardage offense to help the OL and the Bills were all over Mac Jones all game. I don't see any OC game planning away that OL and making them look good. The OL is bad. That we agree, but it shouldn't be the sole reason this team is this bad. Interestingly, I think the below stats help your case more than me. Though I would also contest the teams below you are also really, really bad and that the Giants are insanely well coached. I'm a bit surprised the Patriots ppg is as high as it is. Mac Jones under pressure: Sacks 25 Knocks 13 Hurry 28 Zappe under pressure: Sacks 6 Knocks 3 Hurry 5 Combined: Sacks 31 Knocks 16 Hurry 33 QB leaders in respective categories Justin Fields - 40 | 27 | 25 Daniel Jones - 37 | 36 | 45 Russell Wilson - 37 | 52 | 31 Matt Ryan - 35 | 46 | 32 Joe Burrow - 34 | 37 | 16 Geno Smith - 31 | 44 | 26 PPG Patriots 20.8 (20th) Chicago 20.8 (20th) Giants 20.1 (21st) Denver 13.8 (32nd) Indy 16.1 (30th) Cincy 26.0 (7th) Seattle 26.5 (5th) Over the past 3 though the Patriots are at 15.3 (near the bottom). They're also worse at home (19.2) than away (22.3). The better way is to look at average time to throw. Think Drew Bledsoe versus Tom Brady. Some QBs take more sacks because they hold the ball longer throwing deep and looking for big plays. Mac Jones just ran a short yardage get the ball out quick offense and was under pressure most of the game. If I had to guess Burrow and Smith are holding the ball longer. All the talk Jones could be Cousins, yet Cousins sucks when his OL looked like the Patriots and no one is questioning the Vikings play calling. Vikings game OL is fine, the offense looks good. There's a direct correlation between how our OL plays and how our offense does lately. I bet our offense looks good next week against the cardinals. |
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Post by costpet on Dec 6, 2022 16:39:13 GMT -5
I wish people would stop trashing MP. He was thrust into a position he had never done before. What do you expect? It was BB's fault that put him there. He probably thought he could handle it, but it didn't work out. So, next year he'll bring in a real OC, possibly O'Brien, and straighten things out. Mac sure could use the help. Then we'll know how good this offense could be.
Watching Brady come back to win with less than 2 minutes left and no timeouts was like a normal day for him. It's like the other team thought they had won, but really had no chance. We've seen that how many times? I used to think Unitas was the GOAT. Not anymore. I hope he plays for a better team next year and goes out with another SB.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2022 14:45:22 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Dec 7, 2022 15:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 8, 2022 23:17:35 GMT -5
Loved this - Baker Mayfield shows up 2 days ago and drives the Rams down the field to beat McDaniel's Raiders - some horrible penalties. Have to admit I love it when McDaniel loses another game that seems impossible to lose. Mac Jones can't do a thing in the red zone - and we see this. Wow.
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Post by costpet on Dec 9, 2022 7:05:41 GMT -5
McDaniel should be fired! Because we need him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 9, 2022 14:51:20 GMT -5
Lol he was Patricia guy in Detroit, everyone coaching on Patriots is now Bills guys. If that's true, Bill has a guy who isn't OC drawing up plays that's on Bill. If true I don’t like that one bit. |
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Post by cdj on Dec 9, 2022 17:54:51 GMT -5
Lol he was Patricia guy in Detroit, everyone coaching on Patriots is now Bills guys. If that's true, Bill has a guy who isn't OC drawing up plays that's on Bill. If true I don’t like that one bit. Easy fix, fire all 3 of them |
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Post by marrcus on Dec 9, 2022 22:55:55 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Dec 10, 2022 4:03:29 GMT -5
Kyler Murray can run and Hollywood isn’t injured anymore therefore
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