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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 15, 2022 8:43:45 GMT -5
2022 - will be Raffi in the 80s 2012 - Adrian Gonzalez 86 1997 - Nomar 98 1994 - strike season - Mo Vaughan 82 1992 - Tom Brunansky 74 1991 - Jack Clark 87 1990 - Ellis Burks 89 1982 - Dwight Evans 98 1981 - strike season - Dwight Evans with 77 1974 - Yaz with 79 1973 - Yaz with 95 1972 - Rico Petrocelli with 75 1971 - Reggie Smith with 96 back to 1967 so, 13 times in 55 years Thank you, sir. Seemed pretty rare to me. Maybe not as rare as I thought. Also there are 4 hitters in MLB with 100 RBI right now and only 14 above 90. Devers is 25th in baseball with 79. Season ends kind of late this year, on Oct. 5. Probably just feels later than it is.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 15, 2022 9:29:33 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 15, 2022 9:45:00 GMT -5
If Rich Hill ends up having taught Bello even a passable curveball to add to his arsenal he's worth every penny of what they paid him. That's worth almost an infinite bump to his WAR!!
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 15, 2022 10:56:04 GMT -5
Reese McGuire now has more WAR for the entire season than Christian Vazquez. Last year he beat Vazquez by .9 WAR.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 15, 2022 11:11:01 GMT -5
If Rich Hill ends up having taught Bello even a passable curveball to add to his arsenal he's worth every penny of what they paid him. That's worth almost an infinite bump to his WAR!! So...uhhh...isn’t “teaching him a curveball” something that one of his many pitching coaches should have done for Bello along the way during his development?
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 15, 2022 11:14:28 GMT -5
If Rich Hill ends up having taught Bello even a passable curveball to add to his arsenal he's worth every penny of what they paid him. That's worth almost an infinite bump to his WAR!! So...uhhh...isn’t “teaching him a curveball” something that one of his many pitching coaches should have done for Bello along the way during his development? Perhaps but baseball is such a weird game that these types of stories aren't all that rare where X pitcher sees something in particular and for whatever reason is able to get through to player Y to teach them something. Who knows if it will stick, for all we know he'll scrap it next year but it's something to keep an eye out for anyway.
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Post by manfred on Sept 15, 2022 11:37:27 GMT -5
So...uhhh...isn’t “teaching him a curveball” something that one of his many pitching coaches should have done for Bello along the way during his development? Perhaps but baseball is such a weird game that these types of stories aren't all that rare where X pitcher sees something in particular and for whatever reason is able to get through to player Y to teach them something. Who knows if it will stick, for all we know he'll scrap it next year but it's something to keep an eye out for anyway. I am sure they’ve taught him a curveball. But Rich Hill is teaching him Rich Hill’s curveball. Pitching is an art, man… there are an infinite number of curveballs, and a guy could keep learning long after his arm has fallen off.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 15, 2022 11:40:59 GMT -5
I am liking Bello's chances of continuing to contribute to a big league rotation after he transitions to the vet with diminished stuff stage of his career.
Let's make this kid that signed for 28k and has been living on minor league salaries for 6 years rich this offseason please.
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 15, 2022 12:06:25 GMT -5
So...uhhh...isn’t “teaching him a curveball” something that one of his many pitching coaches should have done for Bello along the way during his development? Perhaps but baseball is such a weird game that these types of stories aren't all that rare where X pitcher sees something in particular and for whatever reason is able to get through to player Y to teach them something. Who knows if it will stick, for all we know he'll scrap it next year but it's something to keep an eye out for anyway. It’s like Andriese teaching Whitlock his changeup or Schilling teaching Papelbon a splitter, pitching involves a good amount of experimentation
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Post by orion09 on Sept 15, 2022 12:38:14 GMT -5
Big thing we learned in this game was that Statcast is pre-loaded with a pitcher's known arsenal -- because Bello says he threw two curveballs in this game, and they were really easy to identify from among his "sliders," using vertical movement and velocity. Slider vertical break in this game averaged 39" (including gravity), max 44", and these two were 53" and 54". They were also the two slowest of his "sliders", at an average of 80.5 versus 84.5 for the slider.
If you have the game recorded, go to 47:13, 1-0 count on Hicks in the 3rd, and 1:27:55, 0-2 count on Hicks in the 5th.
First thing you'll notice is that Wong, each time, take an unusually long time poking around on PitchCom.
His first pro curve was in the dirt. Hicks managed to get his bat on the second and fouled it off the ump.
Looks to me like a pretty good, classic 12 to 6 curve. Maybe someone with a recording and skills I've never heard of it can create a video of the one in the 5th.
NESN had footage of some guy named Hill teaching it to him, and Bello was upbeat about adding it to his repertoire.
I was curious, so I found the videos. Here are the two curveballs: baseballsavant.mlb.com/sporty-videos?playId=91d93128-1629-4fc9-8fda-ed096b0f356abaseballsavant.mlb.com/sporty-videos?playId=434eca83-9ea9-4d06-b1cf-7f56ad560cd5
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Post by patford on Sept 15, 2022 21:59:19 GMT -5
So...uhhh...isn’t “teaching him a curveball” something that one of his many pitching coaches should have done for Bello along the way during his development? Perhaps but baseball is such a weird game that these types of stories aren't all that rare where X pitcher sees something in particular and for whatever reason is able to get through to player Y to teach them something. Who knows if it will stick, for all we know he'll scrap it next year but it's something to keep an eye out for anyway.A Absolutely. It's entirely possible a coach would tell Bello to concentrate on what he's already got rather than trying to develop a new pitch.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 16, 2022 12:54:10 GMT -5
You could say that about any pitch. "Why didn't a coach teach him a splitter?" etc.
Coaching baseball is weird. Sometimes a guy gives you the key to unlock something that works for you. Sometimes it's in rookie ball. Sometimes it's in MLB.
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