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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 19, 2022 10:17:20 GMT -5
9/20 Red Sox (RHP Brayan Bello, 1-6, 5.10, 42.1 IP, 42K:21BB) @ Reds (LHP Nick Lodolo, 4-6, 3.81, 87.1 IP, 113K:30BB) 6:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/21 Red Sox (TBD) @ Reds (RHP Chase Anderson, 1-3, 6.43, 14.0 IP, 14K:11BB) 6:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2022: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by manfred on Sept 19, 2022 20:20:02 GMT -5
Bello Day-o!!
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 19, 2022 21:32:51 GMT -5
While we wait
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 20, 2022 8:01:15 GMT -5
Not sure why but that link is not working for me........If anyone is able to summarize that would be great
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 20, 2022 9:16:50 GMT -5
Not sure why but that link is not working for me........If anyone is able to summarize that would be great The Reds won in 7, when Bill Lee threw an ephus pitch ...
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 20, 2022 9:50:04 GMT -5
Not sure why but that link is not working for me........If anyone is able to summarize that would be great TLDR: Bloom and Tampa Co laughed their asses off when Crawford signed with Boston because they knew it was going to be a train wreck. Pretty easy listen tho, check it out if you've got time.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 20, 2022 10:08:07 GMT -5
Not sure why but that link is not working for me........If anyone is able to summarize that would be great TLDR: Bloom and Tampa Co laughed their asses off when Crawford signed with Boston because they knew it was going to be a train wreck. Pretty easy listen tho, check it out if you've got time. Haha, that was one good takeaway.
Another was that the team is not going to trade Devers just because they traded Mookie, as they are in a totally different situation financially.
A third was that Xander is at an age where you'd normally think about "getting off the bus" but that he ought to age relatively well because of his work ethic and attitude and stuff.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 20, 2022 10:13:06 GMT -5
TLDR: Bloom and Tampa Co laughed their asses off when Crawford signed with Boston because they knew it was going to be a train wreck. Pretty easy listen tho, check it out if you've got time. Haha, that was one good takeaway.
Another was that the team is not going to trade Devers just because they traded Mookie, as they are in a totally different situation financially.
A third was that Xander is at an age where you'd normally think about "getting off the bus" but that he ought to age relatively well because of his work ethic and attitude and stuff.
I agree with the Devers stuff. It honestly seems like Bloom truly believes that Devers is 100% back long-term barring something catastrophic during negotiations. Him stressing that early career long-term signings need to come back was great. Mentioned how it was just absolutely key to what the Sox had been doing and how it was a little odd they got away from it.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 20, 2022 10:18:23 GMT -5
Also got the vibe that they believe that the team is approaching a window where if they dole out large contracts, they'll be able to build around those high priced guys to maximize their chance of winning. Took that away from the Betts conversation.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 20, 2022 10:21:23 GMT -5
Haha, that was one good takeaway.
Another was that the team is not going to trade Devers just because they traded Mookie, as they are in a totally different situation financially.
A third was that Xander is at an age where you'd normally think about "getting off the bus" but that he ought to age relatively well because of his work ethic and attitude and stuff.
I agree with the Devers stuff. It honestly seems like Bloom truly believes that Devers is 100% back long-term barring something catastrophic during negotiations. Him stressing that early career long-term signings need to come back was great. Mentioned how it was just absolutely key to what the Sox had been doing and how it was a little odd they got away from it. Did they get away from it? They tried to do it with Mookie but he was determined to get to free agency (or LA, as it turns out). They did do an extension with Bogaerts. Who else should they have done it with?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 20, 2022 10:25:58 GMT -5
I agree with the Devers stuff. It honestly seems like Bloom truly believes that Devers is 100% back long-term barring something catastrophic during negotiations. Him stressing that early career long-term signings need to come back was great. Mentioned how it was just absolutely key to what the Sox had been doing and how it was a little odd they got away from it. Did they get away from it? They tried to do it with Mookie but he was determined to get to free agency (or LA, as it turns out). They did do an extension with Bogaerts. Who else should they have done it with? In theory, Devers before or early in 2019. I think Raffy was one of the guys he was not mentioning by name when he talked about guys betting on themselves year to year because they've got the mindset of greatness. E-Rod is the only other guy I can think of recently who may have qualified for a Whitlock-esque extension.
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Post by manfred on Sept 20, 2022 10:30:46 GMT -5
I agree with the Devers stuff. It honestly seems like Bloom truly believes that Devers is 100% back long-term barring something catastrophic during negotiations. Him stressing that early career long-term signings need to come back was great. Mentioned how it was just absolutely key to what the Sox had been doing and how it was a little odd they got away from it. Did they get away from it? They tried to do it with Mookie but he was determined to get to free agency (or LA, as it turns out). They did do an extension with Bogaerts. Who else should they have done it with? Why do people constantly make up Mookie stories. He has said he’d have stayed for the amount LA gave him. Why call him a liar?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 20, 2022 10:35:29 GMT -5
Did they get away from it? They tried to do it with Mookie but he was determined to get to free agency (or LA, as it turns out). They did do an extension with Bogaerts. Who else should they have done it with? Why do people constantly make up Mookie stories. He has said he’d have stayed for the amount LA gave him. Why call him a liar? Because they offered him that same exact AAV and he didn't sign it? He also flat out said he was going to test FA, it took a global pandemic and all the uncertainty around it for him to change his mind.
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Post by manfred on Sept 20, 2022 10:37:52 GMT -5
Why do people constantly make up Mookie stories. He has said he’d have stayed for the amount LA gave him. Why call him a liar? Because they offered him that same exact AAV and he didn't sign it? He also flat out said he was going to test FA, it took a global pandemic and all the uncertainty around it for him to change his mind. We *know* they offered him that *amount*? Total money?
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Post by incandenza on Sept 20, 2022 10:44:23 GMT -5
Did they get away from it? They tried to do it with Mookie but he was determined to get to free agency (or LA, as it turns out). They did do an extension with Bogaerts. Who else should they have done it with? Why do people constantly make up Mookie stories. He has said he’d have stayed for the amount LA gave him. Why call him a liar? Sigh. I wasn't even trying to tell a story about Mookie; it was just shorthand for "he didn't want to sign an extension for anything less than free agent numbers." I don't think he's a liar. And I don't have any interest in this topic right now.
If you're curious though, manfred, the interview contextualizes the decision-making around that period in a way that addresses some issues you're raised repeatedly over the years.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 20, 2022 10:46:35 GMT -5
Because they offered him that same exact AAV and he didn't sign it? He also flat out said he was going to test FA, it took a global pandemic and all the uncertainty around it for him to change his mind. We *know* they offered him that *amount*? Total money? Pretty accepted that they offered him 10 years and at least $300. Let's call it an even 300, that would give him an AAV of 30, as opposed to the AAV of 30.4 in LA. He also has a ton in deferred $, couple that with the California taxes he's currently paying... That deferred cash will be taxed in CA, and taxes are going to skyrocket by the time those start to pay out. I'd actually love to see what the total amount he actually sees when the deal is over in 2044.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 20, 2022 10:50:13 GMT -5
Did they get away from it? They tried to do it with Mookie but he was determined to get to free agency (or LA, as it turns out). They did do an extension with Bogaerts. Who else should they have done it with? In theory, Devers before or early in 2019. I think Raffy was one of the guys he was not mentioning by name when he talked about guys betting on themselves year to year because they've got the mindset of greatness. E-Rod is the only other guy I can think of recently who may have qualified for a Whitlock-esque extension. Yeah, this was my takeaway as well. And EduardoRod would also be the only other one I could think of who might have been extended. But considering what he signed for in Detroit, maybe they were never all that high on him?
I guess Benintendi could've been another option, and as I recall they did sign a 2 year/$10 million deal with him post-2019, which seemed a little odd in that it just covered the first two arb years? And that was also an odd point in Benintendi's career, as it came after that down season when he'd gone rogue in changing his swing...
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 20, 2022 12:20:33 GMT -5
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 20, 2022 15:12:16 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 20, 2022 15:39:55 GMT -5
The injuries seem endless.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 20, 2022 17:48:19 GMT -5
A dilemma: do we want Xander to hold off Judge for the batting title, thereby preventing a cursed Yankee from winning the triple crown? Or do we want Judge to win it, perhaps marginally driving up his free agent price and marginally pushing down Xander's own?
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 20, 2022 17:50:49 GMT -5
A dilemma: do we want Xander to hold off Judge for the batting title, thereby preventing a cursed Yankee from winning the triple crown? Or do we want Judge to win it, perhaps marginally driving up his free agent price and marginally pushing down Xander's own? Come on, this one's easy. You want to hear about Aaron Judge's historic season for the Yankees for the rest of your life?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 20, 2022 17:57:43 GMT -5
thanks for the reminder !
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 20, 2022 18:03:34 GMT -5
Fanboy Projection System currently penciling Bello in for 5.5 WAR next year.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 20, 2022 18:09:52 GMT -5
A dilemma: do we want Xander to hold off Judge for the batting title, thereby preventing a cursed Yankee from winning the triple crown? Or do we want Judge to win it, perhaps marginally driving up his free agent price and marginally pushing down Xander's own? Come on, this one's easy. You want to hear about Aaron Judge's historic season for the Yankees for the rest of your life?
Well, if every time I do hear about it it reminds me that they were compelled to sign him to a 10/400 deal the next offseason...
(but you're probably right)
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