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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 20, 2022 21:56:50 GMT -5
If Whitlock can be a very good to at least better than average starter next year it really helps the overall team !! 1) Sale 2) Bello 3) Whitlock 4) Pivetta 5) FA / Wacha / trade (least likely IMO) 6) depth FA starter 7) Crawford 8) Winckowski 9) Mata / Seabold / Ward other MiLB who emerges Rather than paying big money Rondon or God knows who, the money can go to SS, RF, and Devers….
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Post by stunzisox on Sept 20, 2022 22:00:00 GMT -5
If Whitlock can be a very good to at least better than average starter next year it really helps the overall team !! 1) Sale 2) Bello 3) Whitlock 4) Pivetta 5) FA / Wacha / trade (least likely IMO) 6) depth FA starter 7) Crawford 8) Winckowski 9) Mata / Seabold / Ward other MiLB who emerges Rather than paying big money Rondon or God knows who, the money can go to SS, RF, and Devers…. am I too optimistic to throw Walter in tier 9?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2022 22:01:19 GMT -5
Putting this season into perspective between 2004 (end of the curse) and this year - 2022 (19 seasons) championships in 2004, 2007, 2013, 2018 (21%) sub-.500 seasons 2012, 2014, 2015, 2020, likely 2022 (26%) more than 90 wins but no championship - 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2016, 2017, 2021 (37%) Since 2010 they've only made the playoffs 5 times in 13 years following a 7 year stretch where they made the playoffs six times in seven seasons. If course winning a couple of championships during that time takes away the sting.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 20, 2022 22:16:45 GMT -5
JBJ dinger in Toronto Schwarber #40. Happy for them both. iMO, the Red Sox definitely would have been better in 2022 if they had re-signed Schwarber and Renfroe, but I do not think they would have been better in 2023 and beyond because of 1) salary commitment, 2) lousy defense…..FWIW
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Post by Guidas on Sept 20, 2022 23:53:39 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by nomar on Sept 21, 2022 9:02:13 GMT -5
Judge just hit number 60 and took the batting average lead in one go Judge is having the greatest contract year of all-time. It’s not like the Yankees lowballed him before the season, but he’s going to cost them a LOT more to keep this Winter. What a year. But still, really hope we don’t chase him. Too much injury risk for me at that large of a price tag. Something goes wrong and a huge chunk of your “cap” is gone. I say cap because we know the Sox will be playing payroll limbo with the LT every few years. But either way, there is a lot that can go wrong when you allocate that much to one player.
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Post by manfred on Sept 21, 2022 9:36:55 GMT -5
Judge is having the greatest contract year of all-time. It’s not like the Yankees lowballed him before the season, but he’s going to cost them a LOT more to keep this Winter. What a year. But still, really hope we don’t chase him. Too much injury risk for me at that large of a price tag. Something goes wrong and a huge chunk of your “cap” is gone. I say cap because we know the Sox will be playing payroll limbo with the LT every few years. But either way, there is a lot that can go wrong when you allocate that much to one player. I suspect his huge year makes it far *less* likely the Sox sign him. His asking price will be epic, so big it would make it hard to keep X or Devers…. or make other needed improvements.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 21, 2022 9:50:15 GMT -5
What a year. But still, really hope we don’t chase him. Too much injury risk for me at that large of a price tag. Something goes wrong and a huge chunk of your “cap” is gone. I say cap because we know the Sox will be playing payroll limbo with the LT every few years. But either way, there is a lot that can go wrong when you allocate that much to one player. I suspect his huge year makes it far *less* likely the Sox sign him. His asking price will be epic, so big it would make it hard to keep X or Devers…. or make other needed improvements. Yep, I see the floor being 8 years 320 on Judge. For a 40+ mil AAV I almost hope he stays with the Yankees. Thatd limit what other moves they'd be able to make for quite honestly a very flawed team. Sox aren't going to make that type of commitment to any one player any time soon in my opinion.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 21, 2022 9:52:28 GMT -5
What a year. But still, really hope we don’t chase him. Too much injury risk for me at that large of a price tag. Something goes wrong and a huge chunk of your “cap” is gone. I say cap because we know the Sox will be playing payroll limbo with the LT every few years. But either way, there is a lot that can go wrong when you allocate that much to one player. I suspect his huge year makes it far *less* likely the Sox sign him. His asking price will be epic, so big it would make it hard to keep X or Devers…. or make other needed improvements. A few years into the Judge contract, he will become a very, very, very expensive DH!
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 21, 2022 10:06:20 GMT -5
What a year. But still, really hope we don’t chase him. Too much injury risk for me at that large of a price tag. Something goes wrong and a huge chunk of your “cap” is gone. I say cap because we know the Sox will be playing payroll limbo with the LT every few years. But either way, there is a lot that can go wrong when you allocate that much to one player. I suspect his huge year makes it far *less* likely the Sox sign him. His asking price will be epic, so big it would make it hard to keep X or Devers…. or make other needed improvements. He is 31 with an injury history. I am sure Bloom would give 4 years, not the 10 years it would take.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 21, 2022 10:10:16 GMT -5
I think the real question is can MFY let a home grown, legacy type player, who set some kind of HR record (depending on your opinion) walk? If Hal Steinbrenner has proven one thing, he isn't his daddy.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 21, 2022 10:13:21 GMT -5
The Red Sox will be willing to offer Judge a giant, but ultimately team friendly, contract
The Yankees will be willing to offer Judge a more giant, and extremely stupid, contract
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 21, 2022 17:43:41 GMT -5
Youk has earned a part time Sox announcing gig, as far as I am concerned. Hope he can make a career out of it.
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Post by manfred on Sept 21, 2022 17:57:14 GMT -5
People often say “throw out 2020.” Ok. If we do, in 2 seasons Verdugo is averaging 12 HRs per 162 games. A 105 OPS+.
They may think hey we need one more OFer this off-season, but Verdugo, Kiké, and Player X still risks being an under-average offensive OF.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 21, 2022 18:01:14 GMT -5
Nice inning from Seabold. 3k, 5 whiffs
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 21, 2022 18:01:57 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Sept 21, 2022 18:03:43 GMT -5
Connor Seabold adds some nice depth to next year rotation if* he could stay healthy. * Big if of course, but he's way more talented than Winckowski.
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Post by manfred on Sept 21, 2022 18:04:57 GMT -5
Seabold has a but more zip than when he was last up. He looks better.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 21, 2022 18:09:58 GMT -5
I've been watching the Reds broadcast these two days and lemme tell ya: Joey Votto is hlarious!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 21, 2022 18:44:42 GMT -5
nice hustle Rafi !
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Sept 21, 2022 18:55:17 GMT -5
Winning a batting title and hitting less than .320 - OK it's an achievement, but I can't get that excited about it. Winning the batting title ain't like it used to be. I've seen so many official scorer rulings that go in favor for hitters these days that it's surprising there is only 1 player in MLB hitting over .325.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 21, 2022 19:12:33 GMT -5
I think the real question is can MFY let a home grown, legacy type player, who set some kind of HR record (depending on your opinion) walk? If Hal Steinbrenner has proven one thing, he isn't his daddy. That’s just it. The Yankees can’t afford to let him go. He’s the most popular player they have developed since the Jeter days. Yankees fans want to see him signed long-term and made the captain until he retires. It’s hard to imagine it playing out any other way than that. Also, assuming he does get ~$40m/year, the Yankees will have around $100m/year committed to Judge, Stanton and Cole for the next several years.
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Post by rico6 on Sept 21, 2022 19:13:18 GMT -5
Youk has earned a part time Sox announcing gig, as far as I am concerned. Hope he can make a career out of it. Now if they could only DFA DOB.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 21, 2022 19:15:08 GMT -5
People often say “throw out 2020.” Ok. If we do, in 2 seasons Verdugo is averaging 12 HRs per 162 games. A 105 OPS+. They may think hey we need one more OFer this off-season, but Verdugo, Kiké, and Player X still risks being an under-average offensive OF. Verdugo has also declined in BA, OBP, SLG & OPS every year since 2020. If he were a stock, nobody would be buying.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 21, 2022 19:30:43 GMT -5
Just checked the box score. Are our "hitters" using bats tonight?
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