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9/22-9/25 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 25, 2022 12:07:03 GMT -5
I'm not counting on *that* much from Sale. But I would take the over on like 60 IP and 1.5 WAR. Unless someone tells me there's some long term problem associated with the rib thing, or that his pinkie/wrist is an issue going forward, then I'm thinking of him the same as I did coming into the season - a guy that successfully came back from TJ surgery and should be more or less fine. I'm not worried about his arm. I'm worried about the rest of his body. This guy could hurt himself sneezing.
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Post by manfred on Sept 25, 2022 12:58:06 GMT -5
I'm not counting on *that* much from Sale. But I would take the over on like 60 IP and 1.5 WAR. Unless someone tells me there's some long term problem associated with the rib thing, or that his pinkie/wrist is an issue going forward, then I'm thinking of him the same as I did coming into the season - a guy that successfully came back from TJ surgery and should be more or less fine. I don’t totally disagree with this, but I think the Sox and their fans should still temper expectations… Sale should be viewed as a potential huge bonus but far from a certainty. His elbow should be fine. But he is oft injured — and he’ll be 34. It isn’t going to be *better* for him here on out. Even without injuries, this might be the time we saw diminished stuff, so who knows. At the same time, healthy Sale could decline with grace, since he has a good slider and good control. My hope is he returns a reliable mid-to-back end starter. More is gravy; less is manageable.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 25, 2022 13:08:57 GMT -5
Pray Bello throws a one hitter. Shut down that corny booth
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 25, 2022 13:12:20 GMT -5
Pray Bello throws a one hitter. Shut down that corny booth ….both fine, more importantly…. Shut MDY fans’ mouths…..hope MFY loose the first round of the playoffs without winning a single game!
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2022 14:19:47 GMT -5
395 MLB pitchers have thrown 40 IP or more. Bello ranks 5th in lowest HR/BFP. Among starters, he's off by himself: Name Team HR/BFP Brayan Bello BOS .005 Jose Quintana - - - .012 Spencer Strider ATL .013 Patri. Sandoval LAA .014 Framber Valdez HOU .014 Martin Perez TEX .014 Logan Webb SFG .014 Alex Cobb SFG .015 Dakota Hudson STL .016 Justin Steele CHC .016 218 hitters faced, # of hard hit balls hit ...
400' -- 1 (405) 380' -- 5 350' -- 10
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Post by Guidas on Sept 25, 2022 15:02:32 GMT -5
So far, the Pen has blown every single one of these games. I wonder what will happen tonight?
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 25, 2022 15:29:47 GMT -5
Pray Bello throws a one hitter. Shut down that corny booth ….both fine, more importantly…. Shut MDY fans’ mouths…..hope MFY loose the first round of the playoffs without winning a single game! As much as it kills me im an Astros fan. I can live with them winning over the MFY and sorry but the Dodgers too on my list
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 25, 2022 16:42:20 GMT -5
I was secretly hoping for a demoralizing loss today for the Yankees, like 25-2, where they are begging to forfeit, but I just don’t see this iteration of the Sox having that kind of fight sadly.
It matters nothing in the scheme of things, it would just be a nice nail to hang our hat on in this dreadful season. FWIW, I don’t see the Yankees going far in the postseason, their best pitcher chokes more than a porn star come the playoffs. I doubt they make it past the ds.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 25, 2022 16:48:01 GMT -5
Unless someone tells me there's some long term problem associated with the rib thing, or that his pinkie/wrist is an issue going forward, then I'm thinking of him the same as I did coming into the season - a guy that successfully came back from TJ surgery and should be more or less fine. I don’t totally disagree with this, but I think the Sox and their fans should still temper expectations… Sale should be viewed as a potential huge bonus but far from a certainty. His elbow should be fine. But he is oft injured — and he’ll be 34. It isn’t going to be *better* for him here on out. Even without injuries, this might be the time we saw diminished stuff, so who knows. At the same time, healthy Sale could decline with grace, since he has a good slider and good control. My hope is he returns a reliable mid-to-back end starter. More is gravy; less is manageable. He's barely put any wear on his elbow/shoulder in three years. If he doesn't come back with guns blazing next spring, I'll be disappointed. The clear course is to plan for him not being in the rotation at all and take the gravy as it comes.
Speaking of guys not being in the rotation, Nick Pivetta. I have a shorthand for starters that I've probably mentioned before: # of starts allowing 0 or 1 ER, # of starts allowing 2 or 3 ER, and # of starts allowing 4+ ER. Pivetta is currently at 11/10/10, which is not very good (have a look around at guys you might consider Pivetta betta than -- having a third in each column is not great and 7 of his first column came in May and June). This is also the shorthand that convinced me that moving on from E-Rod was the way to go.
I would rather try him in the bullpen, maybe not as the closer, as I argued for last winter -- we need to invest in a real closer but maybe he'd be the backup. Rather, let his stuff and his intensity play up in short stints. 170 mediocre innings is not better than 60-70 really good ones if you can replace those 170 IP with someone betta. How do I know he'll be "really good" in the bullpen? I don't but I do know he's mediocre in the rotation.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Sept 25, 2022 17:08:36 GMT -5
So far, the Pen has blown every single one of these games. I wonder what will happen tonight? Same old same old!
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Post by manfred on Sept 25, 2022 17:39:02 GMT -5
I don’t totally disagree with this, but I think the Sox and their fans should still temper expectations… Sale should be viewed as a potential huge bonus but far from a certainty. His elbow should be fine. But he is oft injured — and he’ll be 34. It isn’t going to be *better* for him here on out. Even without injuries, this might be the time we saw diminished stuff, so who knows. At the same time, healthy Sale could decline with grace, since he has a good slider and good control. My hope is he returns a reliable mid-to-back end starter. More is gravy; less is manageable. He's barely put any wear on his elbow/shoulder in three years. If he doesn't come back with guns blazing next spring, I'll be disappointed. The clear course is to plan for him not being in the rotation at all and take the gravy as it comes.
Speaking of guys not being in the rotation, Nick Pivetta. I have a shorthand for starters that I've probably mentioned before: # of starts allowing 0 or 1 ER, # of starts allowing 2 or 3 ER, and # of starts allowing 4+ ER. Pivetta is currently at 11/10/10, which is not very good (have a look around at guys you might consider Pivetta betta than -- having a third in each column is not great and 7 of his first column came in May and June). This is also the shorthand that convinced me that moving on from E-Rod was the way to go.
I would rather try him in the bullpen, maybe not as the closer, as I argued for last winter -- we need to invest in a real closer but maybe he'd be the backup. Rather, let his stuff and his intensity play up in short stints. 170 mediocre innings is not better than 60-70 really good ones if you can replace those 170 IP with someone betta. How do I know he'll be "really good" in the bullpen? I don't but I do know he's mediocre in the rotation.
I can see this — valid. Pivetta has been disappointing this year. Still, I actually think 170 mediocre innings from a 4/5 guy is pretty valuable. If they can line up 3-4 guys ahead of him, and they can pretty much do that now if they resign Wacha with Wacha, Bello, Sale, it is not bad. I would *love* to have elite starter, Wacha, Bello, Sale, Pivetta… but that would require a potential over-spend, but which gets me yelled at.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 25, 2022 17:39:39 GMT -5
Everyone seemed pretty happy to let Ottavino walk after last season, but they really miss him. He’d probably be the best relief arm on the team this year. And he signed with the Mets for $4m(much less than they are paying James Paxton this year).
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Post by xdmo on Sept 25, 2022 17:54:18 GMT -5
He's barely put any wear on his elbow/shoulder in three years. If he doesn't come back with guns blazing next spring, I'll be disappointed. The clear course is to plan for him not being in the rotation at all and take the gravy as it comes.
Speaking of guys not being in the rotation, Nick Pivetta. I have a shorthand for starters that I've probably mentioned before: # of starts allowing 0 or 1 ER, # of starts allowing 2 or 3 ER, and # of starts allowing 4+ ER. Pivetta is currently at 11/10/10, which is not very good (have a look around at guys you might consider Pivetta betta than -- having a third in each column is not great and 7 of his first column came in May and June). This is also the shorthand that convinced me that moving on from E-Rod was the way to go.
I would rather try him in the bullpen, maybe not as the closer, as I argued for last winter -- we need to invest in a real closer but maybe he'd be the backup. Rather, let his stuff and his intensity play up in short stints. 170 mediocre innings is not better than 60-70 really good ones if you can replace those 170 IP with someone betta. How do I know he'll be "really good" in the bullpen? I don't but I do know he's mediocre in the rotation.
I can see this — valid. Pivetta has been disappointing this year. Still, I actually think 170 mediocre innings from a 4/5 guy is pretty valuable. If they can line up 3-4 guys ahead of him, and they can pretty much do that now if they resign Wacha with Wacha, Bello, Sale, it is not bad. I would *love* to have elite starter, Wacha, Bello, Sale, Pivetta… but that would require a potential over-spend, but which gets me yelled at. Pivetta is the guy that the message board wanted Winkowski to be- Pivetta is a great 5th starter on a contender. He's got a 4 and half ERA. Will have 180 plus innings. He's got 2.5 bWAR. He's very valuable. Very reliable/workhorse in today's baseball. He's a major league starter. He's actually proved it this year, more than anything.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 25, 2022 18:23:33 GMT -5
Everyone seemed pretty happy to let Ottavino walk after last season, but they really miss him. He’d probably be the best relief arm on the team this year. And he signed with the Mets for $4m(much less than they are paying James Paxton this year). 2 million less?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 25, 2022 18:26:42 GMT -5
Am I allowed to say I was happy with the Judge double?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 25, 2022 18:28:35 GMT -5
Everyone seemed pretty happy to let Ottavino walk after last season, but they really miss him. He’d probably be the best relief arm on the team this year. And he signed with the Mets for $4m(much less than they are paying James Paxton this year). That has been an underrated bad personnel move, perhaps because there have been so many bad personnel moves. Put Ottavino in the BP in place of Brasier and you'd have more W's.
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Post by station13 on Sept 25, 2022 18:31:11 GMT -5
Early Bello would made this a big inning of his refusal to trust his stuff. Now he can get out of jams.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 25, 2022 18:56:11 GMT -5
Everyone seemed pretty happy to let Ottavino walk after last season, but they really miss him. He’d probably be the best relief arm on the team this year. And he signed with the Mets for $4m(much less than they are paying James Paxton this year). 2 million less? $2m less than a dead guy is making....on a team that is $4m over the luxury tax?
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Post by cdj on Sept 25, 2022 18:58:59 GMT -5
Bello gets some bad swings
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Post by station13 on Sept 25, 2022 19:06:53 GMT -5
We have played 30 innings in this series and JDM, Devers, Xander have 1 run and 0 RBI
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Post by cutz on Sept 25, 2022 19:17:50 GMT -5
Man, this broadcast is difficult to listen to? or is it just me?
Bello gonna be a stud
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 25, 2022 19:19:39 GMT -5
Man, this broadcast is difficult to listen to? or is it just me? Bello gonna be a stud It’s a judge sucking contest
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Post by cutz on Sept 25, 2022 19:20:37 GMT -5
Nestor hasn't thrown a strike in 4 pitches but it was 2-2
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Post by cutz on Sept 25, 2022 19:21:14 GMT -5
Man, this broadcast is difficult to listen to? or is it just me? Bello gonna be a stud It’s a judge sucking contest Exactly
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Post by Guidas on Sept 25, 2022 19:22:25 GMT -5
Homeplate Ump thinks everyone is here to see him blow calls.
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