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Bruins 2022-23 Season Thread
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Post by homerdante on Apr 30, 2023 20:58:14 GMT -5
We witnessed history - perhaps the all time choke in the history of the NHL. This is one of those "where were you when"...moments - in the worst sense. I don't realistically think I'll ever see a worse choke in hockey.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 30, 2023 20:58:20 GMT -5
Hockey is an incredible sport. But the level of parity means it will never gain popularity on The other major sports. No. This isn't parity. This just confirms it's a game of dumb luck. Making the entire sport a joke. Congrats to the Bruins and the NHL for killing off one of hockey's biggest markets.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 30, 2023 20:59:24 GMT -5
We witnessed history - perhaps the all time choke in the history of the NHL. This is one of those "where were you when"...moments - in the worst sense. I don't realistically think I'll ever see a worse choke in hockey. Any sport. At least the Patriots got to the end when they blew it. First round? That's a joke of the ages.
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Post by homerdante on Apr 30, 2023 21:00:32 GMT -5
Still put this series on Montgomery,. Shuffling lines, playing abad and hiurt Ullmark, pulling Dryz for Clifton in game 6. Too much panic. Too many nonsensical decisions. He was horrid this series. Literally, horrid. Made some of the most indefensible decisions. How many years do we have to put up with him as a coach. Good with young players, ok, sure, but trash in playoffs. I don't want him behind my bench.
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Post by homerdante on Apr 30, 2023 21:03:32 GMT -5
and finally, two years in a row, Ullmark can't do it in the playoffs. Fairweather regular season goalie. His responses after that abortion of a mistake that gave game 5 away made me done with him for good. He was so unwilling to take responsibility. "That's just what happens..." I'm afraid we're going to lose Swayman as an RFA this year because of Sweeney sucking at contracts. Decent at trading, horrid at contracts.
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Post by tizzle on Apr 30, 2023 21:04:29 GMT -5
If they could run it back again, I think a less historical year and a Cup run could easily happen.
But with the cap problems, and questions on Bergeron and Krejci, not realistic.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 30, 2023 21:05:27 GMT -5
Montgomery interview after the game - Bruins lost the first, second periods and OT - Florida the better team - and the Bennett line was a beast.
He sounds absolutely shell shocked - clearly disappointed with how his team played.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 30, 2023 21:06:29 GMT -5
If they could run it back again, I think a less historical year and a Cup run could easily happen. But with the cap problems, and questions on Bergeron and Krejci, not realistic. Hope they retire. This core wasn't good enough.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 30, 2023 21:17:16 GMT -5
Still steamed. How can a team with their regular season record lose three home games in the playoffs? That's pretty hard to do, no?
Going to be hard to get fired up about this team next year - for many reasons.
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Post by homerdante on Apr 30, 2023 21:18:38 GMT -5
If they could run it back again, I think a less historical year and a Cup run could easily happen. But with the cap problems, and questions on Bergeron and Krejci, not realistic. Hope they retire. This core wasn't good enough. They really weren't. I've never wanted to root for a team harder than this year, and kept getting let down over and over and over in these playoffs. This wasn't the only year either. Playoffs just seemed to lead to vanishing performances. Need some new leadership and see if Pasta and McAvoy can evolve with better leaders.
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Post by foreverred9 on Apr 30, 2023 22:41:35 GMT -5
For me it's disappointment, not anger. Couple random thoughts:
- Montgomery was right, they got outplayed in the 1st and OT. I thought the 2nd was closer to a toss-up, but who cares. To come out flat was sad to see, but they showed us why they were so good up until the 59th minute of the game.
- The were uncharacteristically sloppy for a long part of the game, again. Some of those passes in the middle of the ice were awful, it felt like that was in their peak-pressing period and then once Krejci scored they relaxed.
- In hindsight, I guess Florida was a tough matchup. I think people fell into the false narrative of 135 points vs 92 points, this is the playoffs and all that mattered was this was a division team that beat them 2 of 4 times in the regular season. They had confidence they could beat us, and played us better than Toronto and Tampa did this year.
- With that said, up 3-1 it is inexcusable to lose that series. Inexcusable for that defense to give up 4+ goals in three straight games. Inexcusable for the penalty kill to disappear.
- They were fantastic, but their greatness in 2023 was surrounded by cold snaps. They lost 4-of-5 in late January, they lost 3 of 4 in March. Besides those 9 games they rattled off 10-of-11 at the beginning of 2023, then 10 straight between the two cold snaps, and then 15-of-16 to close the season (35-2). That pattern of play is how a historically great team can lose a series.
- Their next run of 10-out-of-11 was imminent, and that's what has me so disappointed. They just needed to get through this and they couldn't.
- This is the worst collapse for a historically great team since... 2019. The Presidents trophy curse continues.
- This team was not a bunch of frauds and were the best team I've ever watched play. The had 6 streaks of 6+ wins in a row, what a privilege it was to watch that. These hot takes are going to drive me nuts over the next few days.
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Post by cdj on Apr 30, 2023 23:00:41 GMT -5
Pain
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Post by homerdante on May 1, 2023 0:02:27 GMT -5
For some inexplicable reason, the fabric of this team revealed itself in game 2. Montgomery had 5 games to respond to game two. Plan around it, watch tape, coach--do his job. He failed. He could not reach this team. He's not the only one who had trouble reaching teams with this core. Cassidy couldn't over and over again. You can say, well then it's not the coach, it's the players. That's probably partially true at least, and now with a change in leadership, we'll find out. I'll always appreciate the legacy of Bergie and Krecji, and simultaneously regret it in some ways. They were chokers, and guys who tried to be overly tough instead of taking rest, preparing for the playoffs. I'm deaf to their narrative. I'm growing deaf to Chris Sale's too. You can only listen to the same thing, the same BS and not see action from the speakers so many times, then it's obvious who they really are. These guys were chokers, and did not demand accountability from people who didn't deliver over and over and over again.
Lindholm was trash from about 75% of the way through the season. No idea why. Someone needed to get into the guys face. Ask him for more. He's just an example. There are a dozen of these guys who stopped improving, stopped correcting tendencies. One strategy by the Panthers completely broke a team billed as one of the best in history. They could not make adjustments. I've never heard anyone in any sport say their game on some level wasn't about adjustments. The Bruins stayed in one track and didn't adjust. It's was painful to watch and I found the team embarrassingly bad.
Ullmark ought to be traded if a major haul is possible. He's not a playoff goalie. If the system can get restocked at all by moving him it should happen. Still stuck with so many bloated contracts relative to performance I don't know that the team has a shot until Coyle, Foligno, Reilly, et. al are cleared off and a couple of prospects turn into something.
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 1, 2023 1:59:56 GMT -5
I just can't imagine how they will get over winning all those games this year and losing in the first rd of the playoffs. It can't be good for next year with that taste in your mouth. I am sure they will be successful, but the nagging thought of the year before has to be in the back of their minds.
They just have to play the same way they played all year and yet the y didn't they tightened up for some inexcusable reason. This is going to be a long offseason with a ll the speculation of what went wrong and how to fix it. I am not so sure they will shake this off very quickly. i hope they just play each game and wash away the stink of this years playoff.
Easy to say, but not easy to do. Whoo...This is hard to take. I am shocked to say the least.
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Post by cdj on May 1, 2023 9:48:11 GMT -5
I just can't imagine how they will get over winning all those games this year and losing in the first rd of the playoffs. It can't be good for next year with that taste in your mouth. I am sure they will be successful, but the nagging thought of the year before has to be in the back of their minds. They just have to play the same way they played all year and yet the y didn't they tightened up for some inexcusable reason. This is going to be a long offseason with a ll the speculation of what went wrong and how to fix it. I am not so sure they will shake this off very quickly. i hope they just play each game and wash away the stink of this years playoff. Easy to say, but not easy to do. Whoo...This is hard to take. I am shocked to say the least. The lightning used it as fuel to win multiple cups immediately after. This time we won’t have that opportunity due to age and cap unfortunately I’m doing a full tear down this off-season if I’m Sweeney. I’d keep Pasta/Zacha/McAvoy/Swayman/Frederic/Lauko. Every other established player is moved to recoup future assets that we’ve lost going for it. I’d send Marchand to a true contender. Everybody else goes to top bidder
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Post by trajanacc on May 1, 2023 12:37:06 GMT -5
I don't realistically think I'll ever see a worse choke in hockey. Any sport. At least the Patriots got to the end when they blew it. First round? That's a joke of the ages. The 2004 New York Yankees say hello :-) Oh and Matt Ryan and the Falcons also would like a spot at the table. Obviously it was a brutal choke. Favored team, with three straight games that were winnable and they couldn't get it done. For me, choking/losing at the end is a worse feeling. Like, if the Bruins hold on to win last night, they are still probably less than 50% to win the Cup if you go by betting markets or most predictive models. Whereas, in the moment before the Tyree helmet catch, the Patriots are ~80% to win the Super Bowl. That's more of a fluke/bad luck single play as opposed to losing three straight games and playing tight in all of them...but in terms of my feelings as a fan, I think losing in the finals is worse.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 1, 2023 12:44:30 GMT -5
Any sport. At least the Patriots got to the end when they blew it. First round? That's a joke of the ages. The 2004 New York Yankees say hello :-) Oh and Matt Ryan and the Falcons also would like a spot at the table. Obviously it was a brutal choke. Favored team, with three straight games that were winnable and they couldn't get it done. For me, choking/losing at the end is a worse feeling. Like, if the Bruins hold on to win last night, they are still probably less than 50% to win the Cup if you go by betting markets or most predictive models. Whereas, in the moment before the Tyree helmet catch, the Patriots are ~80% to win the Super Bowl. That's more of a fluke/bad luck single play as opposed to losing three straight games and playing tight in all of them...but in terms of my feelings as a fan, I think losing in the finals is worse. Fair on the Yankees, but Falcons I can't take. Bruins lost 3 straight games (3 games at home) and had leads in game 6 and 7. The icing on the cake is that the Bruins had a leaf for about a minute left in game 7 and lost. It was just a multitude of things going wrong while being, "the greatest regular season team of all time". I would agree that losing at the very end is a worse feeling, but you have to admit that it's more of a joke if you can't win 1 lousy round. You made a mockery of the league all season and came within 1 minute of winning the first series and blew it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 1, 2023 13:02:23 GMT -5
It really comes down to a few things - Montgomery's handling of the goalies - and perhaps the lines. Mostly - it was the team not playing to the level of precision that they did during the season. It was the giveaways, the inability to clear the puck, poor or missed passes - general sloppiness. Since we know it isn't a talent thing (they would not have had such a season if it was), it was their feeling of pressure - they played tight - they played to not lose, not to win. It was clear within a few minutes of last night's game they were the playoff Bruins again, making the same mistakes. The team has a lot to ponder in the offseason, for sure.
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Post by trajanacc on May 1, 2023 14:15:12 GMT -5
The 2004 New York Yankees say hello :-) Oh and Matt Ryan and the Falcons also would like a spot at the table. Obviously it was a brutal choke. Favored team, with three straight games that were winnable and they couldn't get it done. For me, choking/losing at the end is a worse feeling. Like, if the Bruins hold on to win last night, they are still probably less than 50% to win the Cup if you go by betting markets or most predictive models. Whereas, in the moment before the Tyree helmet catch, the Patriots are ~80% to win the Super Bowl. That's more of a fluke/bad luck single play as opposed to losing three straight games and playing tight in all of them...but in terms of my feelings as a fan, I think losing in the finals is worse. Fair on the Yankees, but Falcons I can't take. Bruins lost 3 straight games (3 games at home) and had leads in game 6 and 7. The icing on the cake is that the Bruins had a leaf for about a minute left in game 7 and lost. It was just a multitude of things going wrong while being, "the greatest regular season team of all time". I would agree that losing at the very end is a worse feeling, but you have to admit that it's more of a joke if you can't win 1 lousy round. You made a mockery of the league all season and came within 1 minute of winning the first series and blew it. Yeah I mean it's basically one epic collapse (28-3 lead) vs 3 minor but consecutive fails (1 goal leads). I agree it's more embarrassing to lose first round, at least you can hold your head high if you make the Super Bowl. But I also think that says more about the NHL and hockey than it does about the Bruins. The Stanley Cup Playoffs are always super tight and competitive, and there just isn't as much difference between a 1 and an 8 seed as there is in other sports. Plus there's a lot more luck/random variance in a hockey game than sports like football or basketball. The President's Cup Curse is, of course, not actually something supernatural or even that extraordinary...it's just a reflection of these facts.
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Post by tizzle on May 1, 2023 16:33:40 GMT -5
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Post by homerdante on May 1, 2023 17:49:20 GMT -5
His decisions seem completely indefensible to me. I'm not sure how anyone takes the other side on this one.
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Post by bigmarty58 on May 2, 2023 12:25:52 GMT -5
After waiting a couple of days to not reply in anger I have the following to say about this season in particular the head coach. Montgomery did a great job during the regular season, a record breaking 65 wins is an amazing achievement. The playoffs Montgomery did a terrible job managing who was in and who was out of the line-up and over juggling the lines but what really for me is the worst mistake is not replacing Ullmark with Swayman after game five now that we know Linus was hurt. My confidence in Montgomery is not in a good place, he looked over his head in round one and is the main reason why the Bruin's are out of the play-offs.
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Post by cdj on May 2, 2023 13:47:02 GMT -5
I’m willing to keep Montgomery around but yeah, that was a badly coached series
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Post by GyIantosca on May 2, 2023 22:27:42 GMT -5
For once and for all, Sweeney needs to not overhaul but make some though decisions with a few of the defensive pieces. Every year the lack of size hurts. Why is it so hard to clear our end. I seen passes hit the back of Pasta skate. Clifton is up. I think Griz has 2 years. I like Carlo’s size but in the past he has had concussion issues. I like the top 6, bottom 6. I just can’t believe how it was so hard to get the puck out of our end.
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Post by GyIantosca on May 2, 2023 22:29:47 GMT -5
We witnessed history - perhaps the all time choke in the history of the NHL. This is one of those "where were you when"...moments - in the worst sense. I don't realistically think I'll ever see a worse choke in hockey. For once and for all, Sweeney needs to not overhaul but make some though decisions with a few of the defensive pieces. Every year the lack of size hurts. Why is it so hard to clear our end. I seen passes hit the back of Pasta skate. Clifton is up. I think Griz has 2 years. I like Carlo’s size but in the past he has had concussion issues. I like the top 6, bottom 6. I just can’t believe how it was so hard to get the puck out of our end. Boston had a couple of them. I remember one against the Flyers. Back in the day when we were cursed against the Canadians we lost a few ways. The Canadians had our number , just like the MFY’S HAD OUR NUMBER.
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