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Post by philarhody on Apr 25, 2023 21:51:11 GMT -5
And Joe overthought this one way too much bringing Blake Griffin in and not playing Brogdon enough. Seriously, I usually relax after a game is over, but I’m still angry as hell here lol. The offense needs to run through Malcolm and White. And mostly Malcolm. Tatum and Brown are so mistyped as initiators. I’ve been saying this for 4 years. |
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Post by philarhody on Apr 25, 2023 21:51:28 GMT -5
This team needs a Phil Jackson type who can challenge, but even then I’m not sure it would matter. Before the Olympics, a story came out about Popovich hounding and belittling Tatum in front of team USA about his inconsistent effort on defense. I don’t believe Ime actually walked the talk and challenged these guys to a higher standard. How could he? He was a shlub and a loser.
I could go on and on about this team, specifically Jayson. If he played like his ass was on fire for the rest of the postseason, this team would win the easiest championship in their history. In no universe should Tatum be shooting 1 for 10 from 3 while playing against Trae Young. That should be a goddamn crime. Young is the worst perimeter defender in the sport, and you’re going to shoot 1 for 10 from 3?
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Post by philarhody on Apr 25, 2023 21:52:31 GMT -5
Is it too late to get Ime back? Were you not there when the Miami Heat took this team to the brink? This team was just as inconsistent last season. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 25, 2023 21:59:51 GMT -5
Is it too late to get Ime back? Were you not there when the Miami Heat took this team to the brink? This team was just as inconsistent last season. To be fair, Jimmy Butler apparently turns into Michael Jordan come playoff time. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 25, 2023 22:39:14 GMT -5
Last thought. I am tiring of Tatum's Schtick. Brown is showing much more leadership, tenacity, and understanding of what is at stake. Perhaps he is the one to build the team around. Hmmm...what can we get for Smart and Tatum? (I know, overreacting....maybe!)
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Post by cdj on Apr 25, 2023 22:49:23 GMT -5
Is it too late to get Ime back? Were you not there when the Miami Heat took this team to the brink? This team was just as inconsistent last season. Probably beat us if Jimmys legs weren’t completely shot on that open jumper |
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Post by philarhody on Apr 26, 2023 5:35:17 GMT -5
Were you not there when the Miami Heat took this team to the brink? This team was just as inconsistent last season. To be fair, Jimmy Butler apparently turns into Michael Jordan come playoff time. Yeah well, maybe that’s the problem: Jayson Tatum has long periods of turning into Jimmy Butler. |
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Post by jmei on Apr 26, 2023 5:38:51 GMT -5
There is just a lack of focus and discipline with this team. They get up (in a game or a series) and let their guard down. Lazy defense, careless turnovers, lack of ball movement (devolving into iso ball), complaining to the refs about noncalls and giving up fast breaks. That’s the thing that bugs me. If they were just not quite talented enough, that’s OK. But they absolutely are the most talented team in the league and only their lack of focus and execution can stop them from winning a title.
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Post by trajanacc on Apr 26, 2023 6:41:44 GMT -5
Some of you need to temper your expectations a little bit. The Celtics are not going to play perfectly every game. I know that it's a postgame thread but reading these, you would think the Celtics are a broken team on the precipice of elimination. Players have bad games, it doesn't mean they are "chumps" or "lack poise." Give me a break.
We are ahead in the series and literally the betting favorite to win the NBA Championship--in fact, our current implied odds of winning a title are the second highest they've been all year! Have just a bit of perspective.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 26, 2023 6:53:21 GMT -5
Some of you need to temper your expectations a little bit. The Celtics are not going to play perfectly every game. I know that it's a postgame thread but reading these, you would think the Celtics are a broken team on the precipice of elimination. Players have bad games, it doesn't mean they are "chumps" or "lack poise." Give me a break. We are ahead in the series and literally the betting favorite to win the NBA Championship--in fact, our current implied odds of winning a title are the second highest they've been all year! Have just a bit of perspective. So you know more than the coach and players, who said in post game interviews that they " lacked poise"? Did you watch Tatum or Smart's games? Mazzulla quote "If you don’t win and you don’t execute then, yeah, you lost your poise,” Mazzulla said. “I don’t think we were trying to do too much. Just didn’t think we were poised and didn’t execute well.” |
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Post by trajanacc on Apr 26, 2023 7:07:16 GMT -5
Obviously any athlete can lose poise in one moment or one game. That doesn’t mean it’s a lasting character flaw of “lacking poise”.
And while I certainly don’t know more than the coaches or players, I don’t usually put much stock in whatever they say in a postgame presser. You can be sure that what they say to each other in the locker room or team meetings is a lot different than what they say to appease the hurt feelings of fans who can only remember the last game they watched.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 26, 2023 7:10:46 GMT -5
Some of you need to temper your expectations a little bit. The Celtics are not going to play perfectly every game. I know that it's a postgame thread but reading these, you would think the Celtics are a broken team on the precipice of elimination. Players have bad games, it doesn't mean they are "chumps" or "lack poise." Give me a break. We are ahead in the series and literally the betting favorite to win the NBA Championship--in fact, our current implied odds of winning a title are the second highest they've been all year! Have just a bit of perspective. This has been 5 years of inconsistency and inability to close out teams. It’s not one game. “It’s one bad game” is the take that lacks perspective. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 26, 2023 7:19:51 GMT -5
Somebody prove to me the Celtics blow double digit leads at a higher clip than the rest of the league. If that is done then I’ll jump onboard with the narrative
Otherwise to me this is how the cookie crumbles in the NBA. Played a bad half of a quarter. Go make up for it in Atlanta
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Post by trajanacc on Apr 26, 2023 7:21:59 GMT -5
Some of you need to temper your expectations a little bit. The Celtics are not going to play perfectly every game. I know that it's a postgame thread but reading these, you would think the Celtics are a broken team on the precipice of elimination. Players have bad games, it doesn't mean they are "chumps" or "lack poise." Give me a break. We are ahead in the series and literally the betting favorite to win the NBA Championship--in fact, our current implied odds of winning a title are the second highest they've been all year! Have just a bit of perspective. This has been 5 years of inconsistency and inability to close out teams. It’s not one game. “It’s one bad game” is the take that lacks perspective. Lol they won the Eastern Conference last year. They’ve been to the ECF 4 times in 6 years. How many playoff series wins is that? Do closing out those teams not count because they failed to win the title? Do you have to always close out teams to be good at closing out teams? How many NBA teams in the last five years have been objectively better at closing out teams? |
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 26, 2023 7:31:19 GMT -5
Some of you need to temper your expectations a little bit. The Celtics are not going to play perfectly every game. I know that it's a postgame thread but reading these, you would think the Celtics are a broken team on the precipice of elimination. Players have bad games, it doesn't mean they are "chumps" or "lack poise." Give me a break. We are ahead in the series and literally the betting favorite to win the NBA Championship--in fact, our current implied odds of winning a title are the second highest they've been all year! Have just a bit of perspective. The Celtics were absolutely fried in the championship last year after playing two brutal 7-game series against Milwaukee and Miami. Some of the players even admitted that after the season. They just inexplicably lost a close out game at home against an undermanned Atlanta team that isn’t very good at full strength. That means they have to play at least six games against the Hawks, which gives Embiid more time to rest and recover more for round 2. Even if we assume the Celtics take care of business this round, these types of losses and missed opportunities tend to come back to bite teams in the end. Last year’s team could be careless and brutal to watch at times, but at least they always brought it defensively. This team seems to think they can coast on their talent, and they aren’t nearly good enough to do that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2023 9:34:54 GMT -5
3 combo guards, not a single true PG. 3 different head coaches, fairly safe bet it's not the coaching.
2008 how did you get all that talent to fit together? It was Rondo. Smart has his moments, yet it's more like quarters and halfs than complete games and it's never been a whole playoff series. Makes things easier when you can just throw the ball to a true PG and he runs the offense.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 26, 2023 11:15:34 GMT -5
3 combo guards, not a single true PG. 3 different head coaches, fairly safe bet it's not the coaching. 2008 how did you get all that talent to fit together? It was Rondo. Smart has his moments, yet it's more like quarters and halfs than complete games and it's never been a whole playoff series. Makes things easier when you can just throw the ball to a true PG and he runs the offense. The frustrating part is that Marcus transformed into the point guard many people didn’t think he could be (myself included) during the second half of last season. But for whatever reason, he’s reverted back to looking for his offense on a team with five guys who are better scorers than him. I don’t think he’s right physically, which has impacted him defensively, but the lack of playmaking is purely about his mindset. Apparently everyone but the head coach can see that. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 26, 2023 11:59:46 GMT -5
We saw history last night.
From NESN
"Well, consider this random stat shared on Wednesday morning’s episode of “Get Up” on ESPN: Over the last 25 NBA postseasons, teams facing elimination that were down 13 points in the final six minutes of regulation were 0-183."
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Post by philarhody on Apr 26, 2023 19:24:39 GMT -5
3 combo guards, not a single true PG. 3 different head coaches, fairly safe bet it's not the coaching. 2008 how did you get all that talent to fit together? It was Rondo. Smart has his moments, yet it's more like quarters and halfs than complete games and it's never been a whole playoff series. Makes things easier when you can just throw the ball to a true PG and he runs the offense. After 5 years of this same clogged toilet, passive bs, and with Derrick White, Malcolm Brogdon, Marcus Smart and Payton Pritchard all rostered.. You think the problem is they lack a point guard? Kobe and MJ won chips without dominant point guards, the Spurs won their championships without a real point guard (Parker was a score first combo guard). To be honest with you? The Warriors never really had a traditional point guard, but a system that enabled Steph and Klay to shoot off movement. The idea that a high usage point guard is the fix for a stagnant offense is actually outdated. The majority of teams that have won championships over the past three decades have done so through well coached systems and/or dominant forwards/centers. It’s either mindset or coaching, and the best way to change mindset is through coaching. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Apr 26, 2023 22:07:05 GMT -5
Somebody prove to me the Celtics blow double digit leads at a higher clip than the rest of the league. If that is done then I’ll jump onboard with the narrative Otherwise to me this is how the cookie crumbles in the NBA. Played a bad half of a quarter. Go make up for it in Atlanta Anyone else notice the Milwaukee series, what's that crickets I hear? What about Golden State, more silence of the Lambs?? **** happens and of course it's disappointing. Celts played bad from about the seventh minute left in the game to about 2 minutes left, Atlanta played very well and of course the league did it's part trying to extend series for profits too, the perfect #hit storm if you will. |
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Post by jmei on Apr 26, 2023 23:41:32 GMT -5
Jimmy Butler is amazing.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 26, 2023 23:47:59 GMT -5
Who said high usage PG? A said true PG and gave Rondo in 2008 as an example. His usage was below Smarts. Yeah I believe that's the issue, we have combo guards. Nevermind a guy like Rondo upped his game in the playoffs, playoffs Rondo was real
Every team is different, Tatum and Brown struggle when a good defenses anchor down. Not great dribblers. Go rewatch Miami and GS series. Yeah there's more than one way, an elite low post player would change everything. You can't easily get those. Find a Scottie Pippen or Draymond Green types, again not easy. You can find true PG. So you can certainly claim there's different ways, I'm just picking the easiest way.
It hasn't even started, Hawks D isn't that good. Maimi is going to be much harder.
I certainly don't understand the coach thing. 3 different coaches that did 3 different things and same issues everytime. Nevermind a Smart, White, Brogdon match was never ideal. More like the most cost effective way to build a ton of talent.
Don't get me wrong either, they might still win a championship, they're just going to do it the hard way!
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Post by ianrs on Apr 26, 2023 23:48:31 GMT -5
Absolutely ridiculous. There's a reason I was terrified to get them R1. |
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Post by philarhody on Apr 27, 2023 0:36:50 GMT -5
I’m not afraid of Jimmy or Miami. Jimmy’s awesome, but you really only get great Jimmy Butler a couple times a series. Those Bucks had no wing defenders.
I’m afraid of Boston’s complacency and passivity. They have no killer instinct. They were up double digits on Miami in every single game in last year’s series. To act like this team is like every other team with their talent is absurd. This is the most talented team in the NBA since the Durant Warriors. You can’t just compare them to every other team that blows a lead.
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Post by jmei on Apr 27, 2023 7:52:05 GMT -5
Giannis seems like a good dude.
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