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Post by greenmonster on Dec 11, 2022 7:43:12 GMT -5
I mean… people were pretty psyched before we didn’t get him. And he does throw 102 MPH. But water under the bridge. Mets will have quite a staff. This off-season is starting to look like water OVER the bridge
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Post by geostorm on Dec 11, 2022 8:19:06 GMT -5
"There wasn’t any doubt that owner Steve Cohen was prepared to keep spending in order to keep his 101-game winning team in line to be World Series contenders. However, the spending spree has just continued to reach record levels, as Roster Resource projects the Mets for a 2023 payroll of roughly $334.68MM, and a luxury tax number of just over $349.5MM. This not only dwarfs the $233MM Competitive Balance Tax threshold, it even soars past the fourth and highest ($293MM) tier of the CBT. The fourth tier was instituted in the last collective bargaining agreement as a further penalty for excessive spending, and was unofficially nicknamed the “Steve Cohen Tax” given how the owner made no secret of his intentions to heavily increase payroll. Since this is the Mets’ second consecutive year of tax overage, they’ll face a two-time repeater penalty, as well as a 90 percent overage tax on any dollar spent beyond the $233MM mark. This works out to around $104.85MM in tax penalty — according to Fangraphs, 11 teams currently aren’t slated to spend more than $104.85MM on their entire 2023 payrolls."
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 12, 2022 11:15:58 GMT -5
Blue Jays ZiPS projections just released: blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-zips-projections-toronto-blue-jays/To just give an idea of where the Red Sox stand relative to them: The Jays have 7 players projected to put up at least 3 WAR, while the Red Sox currently have 2 after losing Bogaerts - Devers and Story.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 12, 2022 15:13:48 GMT -5
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 12, 2022 15:24:40 GMT -5
When do the Braves announce his extension?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 12, 2022 15:34:36 GMT -5
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Post by funkybuddha on Dec 12, 2022 15:35:29 GMT -5
When do the Braves announce his extension? Kind of glad this isn't Sox. At this point I would not be surprised if he gave up Marcelo for Murphy. At this point I am just hoping for a "do less harm" rest of the disaster, ah I mean offseason.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 12, 2022 15:44:31 GMT -5
Braves have two teams spending like drunken sailors in their division and they're still going to run away with it
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 12, 2022 15:44:54 GMT -5
I'm interested in seeing the return and whether or not they extend him. I was hoping the Sox would make a move for him.
This is another great example of how you handle letting a star player walk if you aren't comfortable giving them the money they are looking for. They let Freeman walk and traded for Olson, then extended him. Let Swanson walk and go trade for Murphy. Use what positional redundancy you have to improve other areas of the roster.
Murphy is a star that you can build a team around. He will be the 6th 3+ WAR position player they have. What a stacked team.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 12, 2022 15:56:28 GMT -5
Braves have two teams spending like drunken sailors in their division and they're still going to run away with it Braves are a goddamn juggernaut. Cohen can have a $400+ million payroll and it will still never match the talent of Atlanta.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 12, 2022 16:01:44 GMT -5
I'm interested in seeing the return and whether or not they extend him. I was hoping the Sox would make a move for him. This is another great example of how you handle letting a star player walk if you aren't comfortable giving them the money they are looking for. They let Freeman walk and traded for Olson, then extended him. Let Swanson walk and go trade for Murphy. Use what positional redundancy you have to improve other areas of the roster. Murphy is a star that you can build a team around. He will be the 6th 3+ WAR position player they have. What a stacked team. Given the players involved, it likely would’ve meant 2/3 of Casas, Mayer and Bello. I believe Murphy is sorely underrated by most in this forum, but that’s a cost I’m happy we didn’t sacrifice.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 12, 2022 16:14:11 GMT -5
Damn, I would have liked to get Contreras if that's all it took
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 12, 2022 16:18:42 GMT -5
I'm interested in seeing the return and whether or not they extend him. I was hoping the Sox would make a move for him. This is another great example of how you handle letting a star player walk if you aren't comfortable giving them the money they are looking for. They let Freeman walk and traded for Olson, then extended him. Let Swanson walk and go trade for Murphy. Use what positional redundancy you have to improve other areas of the roster. Murphy is a star that you can build a team around. He will be the 6th 3+ WAR position player they have. What a stacked team. Given the players involved, it likely would’ve meant 2/3 of Casas, Mayer and Bello. I believe Murphy is sorely underrated by most in this forum, but that’s a cost I’m happy we didn’t sacrifice. I agree it would have been extremely expensive and I have no problems with Bloom not making a deal like that. But with Murphy gone that is another player who could improve the 2023 team that is no longer available, and Bloom is rapidly approaching the point where he needs to decide whether or not the Red Sox are going to try and contend this year. As things stand this roster is probably about neck and neck with the Orioles for the worst team in the AL East. If significant improvements aren't l going to be made then Bloom needs to stop messing around and trade Devers. I've said it a million times, if Bloom wants to contend, then you need to be aggressive on the free agent and trade markets. You need to be willing to give out contracts you maybe don't like, or trade away prospects that you don't want to trade away. If you aren't going to contend then you need to trade away your major league talent. But doing neither is unacceptable.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 12, 2022 16:19:06 GMT -5
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 12, 2022 16:20:31 GMT -5
Wow. Far more reasonable than I expected for Bassitt. Would've been totally fine if the Sox made this deal.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 12, 2022 16:21:33 GMT -5
Blue Jays ZiPS projections just released: blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-zips-projections-toronto-blue-jays/To just give an idea of where the Red Sox stand relative to them: The Jays have 7 players projected to put up at least 3 WAR, while the Red Sox currently have 2 after losing Bogaerts - Devers and Story. And the Blue Jays keep getting better:
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 12, 2022 16:25:25 GMT -5
All the deals since the winter meetings have been sane. I think the fever is breaking.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 12, 2022 16:26:06 GMT -5
Seems like a fairly light return for the A's.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 12, 2022 16:28:40 GMT -5
Seems like a fairly light return for the A's. I'm not going to pretend to know much about the prospects in the deal but from what I'm reading it definitely sounds light for a top 3 catcher. Sometimes the As seem to take back more quantity than quality.
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Post by manfred on Dec 12, 2022 16:29:27 GMT -5
Seems like a fairly light return for the A's. I'm not going to pretend to know much about the prospects in the deal but from what I'm reading it definitely sounds light for a top 3 catcher. Sometimes the As seem to take back more quantity than quality. That sounds familiar. Did they get Franchy?
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 12, 2022 16:29:35 GMT -5
Damn, I would have liked to get Contreras if that's all it took Yeah feels like a steal for the Brewers, although Contreras is pretty awful defensively. Braves end also looks awesome for them I think, given that the best piece they gave up is the one they're directly upgrading on.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 12, 2022 16:31:13 GMT -5
Geeze, that looks bad for Oakland. Two borderline top 100 prospects that aren't currently in the MLB Pipeline list (Ruiz and Muller), Tarnok would be like 13th in the Red Sox system and then Salinas is 18th in a bad Braves system.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 12, 2022 16:33:58 GMT -5
Rafaela, Mata, Wikelman and Frankin German is comparable and prob better than that package.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 12, 2022 16:41:38 GMT -5
Rafaela, Mata, Wikelman and Frankin German is comparable and prob better than that package. It's not as much as I was expecting, but I'll take 1.5 years of negative-value Jake Diekman for 3.5 years of a 2 WAR guy instead
I like Murphy a lot but I'm still really hoping we stick with our existing catchers.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 12, 2022 16:58:40 GMT -5
Rafaela, Mata, Wikelman and Frankin German is comparable and prob better than that package. Agreed. But there's a very real possibility that the Sox saw what Murphy might command in a couple years and decided to stay the course. Whatever that course is.
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