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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 20, 2023 17:09:06 GMT -5
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Post by benzinger on Jan 20, 2023 17:11:00 GMT -5
I agree in general that I don't think they should trade Verdugo, and he's someone I actually think could have a decent break out just doing what he did in 2020 over a whole year, but just to the bolded point - Duvall has actually been better cumulatively and on a rate basis over the last two seasons (and still on a rate basis if you include 2020). Yeah but Duvall is coming out of wrist injury, which is not ideal. I still believe in The Verdugod, he has a pretty swing. Franchy had a pretty swing, too. Just saying.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 20, 2023 17:17:23 GMT -5
Franchy had a pretty swing, too. Just saying. Did he? He was toolsy and had a nice build for a hitter, but I don't remember his swing being much to write home about. Maybe I wasn't paying attention.
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 20, 2023 17:18:11 GMT -5
That’s not what I expected to hear. Figured they would move him to SS (he’s said he wants to play SS) with Segura at 2B. Does this mean they actually plan to play Segura at SS like I believe they have previously said? If so, not sure that’s the best idea...
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Post by seamus on Jan 20, 2023 17:28:21 GMT -5
With Arraez gone, I guess that opens up the AL batting average race for Yoshida to win. 2023 AL batting champion, Masataka Yoshida. You heard it here first He'll win the batting title, Casas will win rookie of the year, Bello will win the Cy, and Raffy will finish runner-up in the MVP voting to Christian Arroyo (.302/.415/.508). Sox goes 110-52, but Cora loses Manager of the Year to Mark Kotsay, who is deservedly credited for the A's overachieving with a record of 22-140. (To be clear, I actually think Masa is a really good bet to win the batting title based on his bat-to-ball skills and the Fenway factor.)
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 20, 2023 17:49:38 GMT -5
That’s not what I expected to hear. Figured they would move him to SS (he’s said he wants to play SS) with Segura at 2B. Does this mean they actually plan to play Segura at SS like I believe they have previously said? If so, not sure that’s the best idea... I think they've mentioned before (or it's been reported) that Wendle will play short for them. He has good metrics in his time there. Interesting though since Chisholm was awesome at 2B, not sure how he is in center.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 20, 2023 17:57:17 GMT -5
With Arraez gone, I guess that opens up the AL batting average race for Yoshida to win. 2023 AL batting champion, Masataka Yoshida. You heard it here first He'll win the batting title, Casas will win rookie of the year, Bello will win the Cy, and Raffy will finish runner-up in the MVP voting to Christian Arroyo (.302/.415/.508). Sox goes 110-52, but Cora loses Manager of the Year to Mark Kotsay, who is deservedly credited for the A's overachieving with a record of 22-140. (To be clear, I actually think Masa is a really good bet to win the batting title based on his bat-to-ball skills and the Fenway factor.) Red Sox managers never win manager of the year awards. If Francona couldn't win one as a Sox manager and Farrell couldn't win in 2013 when the team went from dead last to Champs and Cora couldn't win when they won 108 regular season games plus 11 more for the championship, then no Red Sox manager will ever win the manager of the year award again. I could be wrong though - I think blockheaded manager John McNamara did win in 1986.
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Post by geostorm on Jan 20, 2023 18:00:51 GMT -5
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Post by seamus on Jan 20, 2023 18:02:18 GMT -5
Maybe they're going to sign Luke Voit? I thought they were win thin at 1st base.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 20, 2023 18:05:31 GMT -5
FWIW, I think Ng ripped off the Twins. Arraez is one helluva hitter. Lopez is an ok pitcher but I don't think he's particularly great. I think Arraez has more batting titles on front of him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 20, 2023 18:24:46 GMT -5
FWIW, I think Ng ripped off the Twins. Arraez is one helluva hitter. Lopez is an ok pitcher but I don't think he's particularly great. I think Arraez has more batting titles on front of him. Alright maybe ripped off is too strong a description. Lopez is a decent/good pitcher, the SS prospect didnt have great numbers but was playing against older competition and their lottery ticket tore up the DSL but who knows what that amounts to? Arraez is basically a 1 tool player, but it's the most important offensive tool and he can hit as well as anybody in the game but I guess I need to acknowledge that he has little power, doesnt walk a ton, and is not a good defensive 2b. That said, I think his hit tool will hold up well and the Marlins will get a guy who might hit .330 if offenses open up and improve a bit, which is why I still think it's a good deal for the Marlins and why I'm not wild about it from the Twins perspective. I believe the hit tool holds up and with pitchers it can be hard to know what to expect but Lopez isnt going to a bandbox facing AL East teams that often so I guess he'll be alright.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jan 20, 2023 19:29:50 GMT -5
FWIW, I think Ng ripped off the Twins. Arraez is one helluva hitter. Lopez is an ok pitcher but I don't think he's particularly great. I think Arraez has more batting titles on front of him. Alright maybe ripped off is too strong a description. Lopez is a decent/good pitcher, the SS prospect didnt have great numbers but was playing against older competition and their lottery ticket tore up the DSL but who knows what that amounts to? Arraez is basically a 1 tool player, but it's the most important offensive tool and he can hit as well as anybody in the game but I guess I need to acknowledge that he has little power, doesnt walk a ton, and is not a good defensive 2b. That said, I think his hit tool will hold up well and the Marlins will get a guy who might hit .330 if offenses open up and improve a bit, which is why I still think it's a good deal for the Marlins and why I'm not wild about it from the Twins perspective. I believe the hit tool holds up and with pitchers it can be hard to know what to expect but Lopez isnt going to a bandbox facing AL East teams that often so I guess he'll be alright. This is out of my realm a bit, but I think the Marlins got fleeced. Not sold on Arraez (we'll see how the BA holds, no power, no real speed) and the Twins get Lopez and the Marlins #5 prospect back (along with another prospect). At the VERY LEAST, it's a pretty even trade.
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 20, 2023 19:53:34 GMT -5
Alright maybe ripped off is too strong a description. Lopez is a decent/good pitcher, the SS prospect didnt have great numbers but was playing against older competition and their lottery ticket tore up the DSL but who knows what that amounts to? Arraez is basically a 1 tool player, but it's the most important offensive tool and he can hit as well as anybody in the game but I guess I need to acknowledge that he has little power, doesnt walk a ton, and is not a good defensive 2b. That said, I think his hit tool will hold up well and the Marlins will get a guy who might hit .330 if offenses open up and improve a bit, which is why I still think it's a good deal for the Marlins and why I'm not wild about it from the Twins perspective. I believe the hit tool holds up and with pitchers it can be hard to know what to expect but Lopez isnt going to a bandbox facing AL East teams that often so I guess he'll be alright. This is out of my realm a bit, but I think the Marlins got fleeced. Not sold on Arraez (we'll see how the BA holds, no power, no real speed) and the Twins get Lopez and the Marlins #5 prospect back (along with another prospect). At the VERY LEAST, it's a pretty even trade. Agreed. Lopez is already a 3/4 I feel and only 26 years old. In that stadium and division I think he may even have another level in him this season. I like Arraez quite a bit, but the fact that the Twins got prospects as well is stunning to me.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 20, 2023 20:28:47 GMT -5
FWIW, I think Ng ripped off the Twins. Arraez is one helluva hitter. Lopez is an ok pitcher but I don't think he's particularly great. I think Arraez has more batting titles on front of him. I hate to be that guy, but this was a REALLY weak year for hitters, he won the batting title with a .316 AVG which was actually his second worse season lol. I think the Twins got the better end of the trade even if it was a 1 for 1 with Lopez, but with prospects involved then geez.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 20, 2023 20:38:25 GMT -5
FWIW, I think Ng ripped off the Twins. Arraez is one helluva hitter. Lopez is an ok pitcher but I don't think he's particularly great. I think Arraez has more batting titles on front of him. I hate to be that guy, but this was a REALLY weak year for hitters, he won the batting title with a .316 AVG which was actually his second worse season lol. I think the Twins got the better end of the trade even if it was a 1 for 1 with Lopez, but with prospects involved then geez. Hitting. 316 when the average hitter is struggling to hit .240 is impressive. In a normal year where guys are hitting closer to .260 that .316 is .330. The guy has a minor league track record of hitting well over .300 and has continued that well into the majors. I think if he stays healthy that hit tool will sustain him but I can understand why others see otherwise.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 20, 2023 20:51:16 GMT -5
I think he's a fine player, but a pitcher like Lopez is a bit harder to come by.
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Post by cdj on Jan 20, 2023 20:56:57 GMT -5
Both are ~3 WAR players now and imo going forward, I think the lotto tickets move the deal slightly in the twins favor
Could be a rare win/win. I like pure baseball trades like this.
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 20, 2023 21:18:31 GMT -5
I hate to be that guy, but this was a REALLY weak year for hitters, he won the batting title with a .316 AVG which was actually his second worse season lol. I think the Twins got the better end of the trade even if it was a 1 for 1 with Lopez, but with prospects involved then geez. Hitting. 316 when the average hitter is struggling to hit .240 is impressive. In a normal year where guys are hitting closer to .260 that .316 is .330. The guy has a minor league track record of hitting well over .300 and has continued that well into the majors. I think if he stays healthy that hit tool will sustain him but I can understand why others see otherwise. Definitely agree with this! The issue I see though is that there isn’t much room for Arraez to get better. He’s not going to get faster or suddenly become a much better defender. Maybe he gets a little more power over time, but he already has almost none anyway. Essentially the best he can do is just continue to hit for a high average. Not sure I see the upside in terms of increased production from what he has already done. Lopez still has potential to get better with more experience in my opinion.
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Post by wingman478 on Jan 22, 2023 16:45:25 GMT -5
Manny's son looks like Juan Soto.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 23, 2023 18:01:53 GMT -5
Ooof
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 23, 2023 18:11:55 GMT -5
If you know any angels fans. Give them a hug. Or a beer. They will need it
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 23, 2023 19:19:54 GMT -5
Twins have a roster full of outfielders. Does the signing of Duvall close the book on a Kepler trade? I don’t see the fit, but it definitely seems like Kepler is gonna be traded to someone at least.
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Post by cdj on Jan 23, 2023 19:53:41 GMT -5
Royals didn’t get much, just a couple relief prospects
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 23, 2023 19:54:53 GMT -5
Wouldn't have minded getting Taylor instead of Duvall. Twins didn't give up much, just a couple high minors relievers that nobody wanted in the Rule 5 draft a couple months ago.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jan 23, 2023 20:00:07 GMT -5
Twins have a roster full of outfielders. Does the signing of Duvall close the book on a Kepler trade? I don’t see the fit, but it definitely seems like Kepler is gonna be traded to someone at least. Kepler could fit as a lateral move if Chaim is still looking to flip Verdugo for SS or SP, but at this point in the off-season I’m having a hard time seeing that happening. Needless to say, I do think Kepler will be flipped to someone before ST.
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