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Patriots 2023 Offseason Thread
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 14, 2023 11:27:03 GMT -5
Assuming the Jets land Rodgers, this might be a year Kraft has to have a hard conversation with Bill and just tank the season. Would anyone comfortably gamble a paycheck on the Patriots winning 1 divisional game with everyone's roster being what they are today? I'm sure they will, but I wouldn't feel good about it. What moves can they make to leap frog the other 3? Then you have to account for the following schedule that includes:
Denver (huge question at QB, but stout defense and having to play in Denver)
KC, scheduled loss.
Chargers, Raiders, Saints, Cowboys, Steelers, and Eagles how many wins do you think the Patriots will get out of those match-ups? (Got lazy, but teams I feel like there's a chance the Patriots could win, but all doubtful).
The only games I'd feel like they should win without much issue is
Giants, Commanders and Colts.
Meyers is a huge loss and there's no free agents available to replace him.
To me, as of today, they're looking at a 5-6 win season. Where do they go from here to get to 10?
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2023 11:34:06 GMT -5
Bryant tendered a contract. 2.6M for RoFR level.
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2023 11:34:25 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by rasimon on Mar 14, 2023 11:39:03 GMT -5
How do you know when your team needs a new GM? RFA tender to Myles Bryant
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Post by foreverred9 on Mar 14, 2023 11:47:15 GMT -5
Also, as Bedard and others have pointed out, JM gets to keep about 3M more of his 33M than he would in Mass. That's wrong, the MA income tax (and the 0% NV income tax) only get applied to the games in which they get played in their state. So the 9% vs. 0% delta only applies to half their salary. Nevada still collects taxes, they just do it differently. For example their sales tax is 2 pts higher, their gas tax is double, and it appears they also have higher excise taxes. Effectively, they are only 60 bps less than Mass: wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494 |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2023 11:50:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification, foreverred9
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2023 11:54:19 GMT -5
I'm going to assume that we're being sarcastic on Bryant's tender.
2.6 isn't huge for a versatile backup (which he should be if he's on the roster). It's also 0% guaranteed so they can easily cut him if (when?) a better option presents itself (either now or in camp).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 14, 2023 12:51:17 GMT -5
Actually paying Myles Bryant $2.6 million is rather stupid given he's been a weak link for years in Coverage. Tendering him a contract to add depth isn't crazy, not finding a better player and a better way to spend that money is stupid. Especially given how they have drafted and developed undrafted guys. So tendering the contract isn't horrible, him making the opening day roster would be unless a bunch of injuries happen. As Texas pointed out, 100% savings if cut.
That might point to Jothan Jones being a FS or they are at least considering it.
I was big on not over paying Meyers, yet that's a very reasonable contract. I'm shocked he signed so quickly for that to go to the Raiders. They have a load of talent and a QB that gets injured. Type of deal I would have thought he takes to play with a truly elite QB. He seems to have picked a system he likes over other things.
Yet Meyers in Slot isn't old school Patriots offense. He's nothing like Welker or Edelman. So I have to think Bill is going back to what worked for years. That means Bourne isn't your starting slot WR. Getting a true ultra quick slot WR and dumping Jonnu to get a blocking TE. I'm down, if that's the actual plan.
I'm also liking waiting out the market. Let teams make the stupid moves then hunt for value deals. As long as he brings in some difference makers. A lot of talent still available.
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2023 14:30:25 GMT -5
Apparently they signed Broncos OT Calvin Anderson to a 2 year deal
They had him in as an UDFA briefly in 2019. Started 7 games for Denver last season.
Good at Rubik’s cubes
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Post by philarhody on Mar 14, 2023 14:53:42 GMT -5
Apparently they signed Broncos OT Calvin Anderson to a 2 year deal They had him in as an UDFA briefly in 2019. Started 7 games for Denver last season. Good at Rubik’s cubes 😳 |
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Post by jmei on Mar 14, 2023 15:00:16 GMT -5
Assuming the Jets land Rodgers, this might be a year Kraft has to have a hard conversation with Bill and just tank the season. Would anyone comfortably gamble a paycheck on the Patriots winning 1 divisional game with everyone's roster being what they are today? I'm sure they will, but I wouldn't feel good about it. What moves can they make to leap frog the other 3? Then you have to account for the following schedule that includes: Denver (huge question at QB, but stout defense and having to play in Denver) KC, scheduled loss. Chargers, Raiders, Saints, Cowboys, Steelers, and Eagles how many wins do you think the Patriots will get out of those match-ups? (Got lazy, but teams I feel like there's a chance the Patriots could win, but all doubtful). The only games I'd feel like they should win without much issue is Giants, Commanders and Colts. Meyers is a huge loss and there's no free agents available to replace him. To me, as of today, they're looking at a 5-6 win season. Where do they go from here to get to 10? I don't think they are going to win the division and they're likely a fringe playoff contender, but that doesn't mean they should tank, either. The most important thing that the Patriots need to do in 2023 is figure out whether Mac Jones is their long-term QB. In order to do that, you need to give him a proper offensive system and proper personnel (on both the OL and the skill position side). Losing Meyers is less than ideal but you can make up for him by drafting a Smith-Njigba or a Flowers or acquiring a Hopkins or drafting/acquiring another TE. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 14, 2023 15:13:30 GMT -5
Assuming the Jets land Rodgers, this might be a year Kraft has to have a hard conversation with Bill and just tank the season. Would anyone comfortably gamble a paycheck on the Patriots winning 1 divisional game with everyone's roster being what they are today? I'm sure they will, but I wouldn't feel good about it. What moves can they make to leap frog the other 3? Then you have to account for the following schedule that includes: Denver (huge question at QB, but stout defense and having to play in Denver) KC, scheduled loss. Chargers, Raiders, Saints, Cowboys, Steelers, and Eagles how many wins do you think the Patriots will get out of those match-ups? (Got lazy, but teams I feel like there's a chance the Patriots could win, but all doubtful). The only games I'd feel like they should win without much issue is Giants, Commanders and Colts. Meyers is a huge loss and there's no free agents available to replace him. To me, as of today, they're looking at a 5-6 win season. Where do they go from here to get to 10? I don't think they are going to win the division and they're likely a fringe playoff contender, but that doesn't mean they should tank, either. The most important thing that the Patriots need to do in 2023 is figure out whether Mac Jones is their long-term QB. In order to do that, you need to give him a proper offensive system and proper personnel (on both the OL and the skill position side). Losing Meyers is less than ideal but you can make up for him by drafting a Smith-Njigba or a Flowers or acquiring a Hopkins or drafting/acquiring another TE. Unfortunately, with the Patriots track record of drafting WR I'm not so sure. On one hand they got Meyers as a UDFA and struck gold with him and his ability to get you first downs and move the chains. On the other, this is a team with a track record of drafting Aaron Dobson, N'Keal Harry, Chad Jackson, Brandon Tate, Taylor Price.... even if they were good in that department it's hard to call any draft pick a suitable replacement, and that's if they even take him as they have holes up and down the roster. I don't think Mac is the guy, but I guess if they want the assurance he's not, they need to surround him and so far they've taken a step back, but it's early-ish. I just don't see the upside in this team with a division as loaded as this (which is still bizarre to say after all these years of none of them being able to figure anything out). |
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2023 15:39:25 GMT -5
Anderson graded out at the same level on PFF as Brown and McDermott did. Good guy to throw in the mix. Still hoping they address the position long term in the draft
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2023 16:20:36 GMT -5
I don't think they are going to win the division and they're likely a fringe playoff contender, but that doesn't mean they should tank, either. The most important thing that the Patriots need to do in 2023 is figure out whether Mac Jones is their long-term QB. In order to do that, you need to give him a proper offensive system and proper personnel (on both the OL and the skill position side). Losing Meyers is less than ideal but you can make up for him by drafting a Smith-Njigba or a Flowers or acquiring a Hopkins or drafting/acquiring another TE. Unfortunately, with the Patriots track record of drafting WR I'm not so sure. On one hand they got Meyers as a UDFA and struck gold with him and his ability to get you first downs and move the chains. On the other, this is a team with a track record of drafting Aaron Dobson, N'Keal Harry, Chad Jackson, Brandon Tate, Taylor Price.... even if they were good in that department it's hard to call any draft pick a suitable replacement, and that's if they even take him as they have holes up and down the roster. I don't think Mac is the guy, but I guess if they want the assurance he's not, they need to surround him and so far they've taken a step back, but it's early-ish. I just don't see the upside in this team with a division as loaded as this (which is still bizarre to say after all these years of none of them being able to figure anything out). I’d argue adding O’Brien and Klemm is greater than losing Meyers and Patricia. Not to mention getting Jonnu off the field and hopefully getting Bourne on it. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2023 16:23:08 GMT -5
There is very little risk to tendering Bryant a contract. Period.
1. League year hasn't started yet.
2. Draft hasn't happend yet.
There is PLENTY of time to find someone better and walk away from that deal. IF they go into the season with nobody better and him on the books, sure. Now?
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Post by maineman51 on Mar 14, 2023 17:42:36 GMT -5
Correction on MA tax, if the player is resident to MA and plays a game in a state that doesn't tax the income, or taxes it at a lower rate, he'll be taxed by MA on that income or taxed on the difference in rate.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2023 18:39:25 GMT -5
Peppers back.
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2023 21:11:17 GMT -5
I like peppers, he go boom
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2023 7:52:45 GMT -5
Per Field Yates, NE tacked another year onto DMac's contract even though he's retiring. Will create ~5m in space for 23 with ~6M in dead cap for 24
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2023 8:21:20 GMT -5
Cajuste getting an original round (3rd) tender. 2.743M
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2023 8:55:32 GMT -5
Dianna Russini reporting Pats are signing Riley Reiff. Loading up on OT (Bodies, at least)
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Post by cdj on Mar 15, 2023 9:05:23 GMT -5
Bodies Bodies Bodies
One of them has to play well! Reiff’s been around for a minute, I remember him in college and now feel old that he’s 35 with like 140+ starts under his belt
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Post by mobaz on Mar 15, 2023 9:20:14 GMT -5
Jeff Howe says expectation is Reiff will win a starting job. Makes sense in the context of other signings (they HAVE backups if that's what they really wanted) but still a little surprised. Pretty Belichick approach to Tackle though.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2023 9:20:51 GMT -5
Patriots interested in Nicholas Morrow, per reports
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2023 9:22:14 GMT -5
Patriots interested in Nicholas Morrow, per reports Googling “who’s Nicholas Morrow”… |
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