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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2023 14:36:39 GMT -5
At first glance it's like did you just give him the same deal as Mac Jones favorite target for a similar player?
Yet big difference in depth of target and Yac yards. JuJu acts more like a typical slot WR and get around as many Yac yards as air yards. Meyers depth of target is like middle of the road for slot, much more air yards and not much Yac. Helps with spacing. Still kinda shocked though.
Your WR crew that was easily one of the worst in the NFL just got a lot better. Bills doing a good job of filling the biggest holes before the draft so you don't have any LG you have to take at all cost type scenario. Which is smart. You can scratch they have to take OT and WR off the list. Another FS/CB and a LB, you'll be in great shape. |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 15, 2023 14:44:50 GMT -5
To me, JuJu and Jacobi seem pretty comparable. Not a significant upgrade or downgrade. Maybe slight edge to JuJu due to YAC.
I am still wondering why Bill felt the need to corner the market in backup tackles instead getting one good starter. Here's hoping they are still in on Orlando Brown.
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Post by costpet on Mar 15, 2023 14:49:54 GMT -5
The Rogers trade to the Jets bothers me. Instead of an automatic 2 wins against the Jets every year, it might be the other way around. Add in 2 loses to the Bills and one to Miami in Miami and that’s a tough way to start a new season.
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Post by philarhody on Mar 15, 2023 14:51:51 GMT -5
Much better after the catch than Meyers He wasn't that good in Pittsburgh without AB and had slightly better numbers than Meyers in KC with Patrick Mahomes throwing to him in an Andy Reid offense. We know Mac Jones likes Jackobi Meyers and has been his go-to guy and probably would have been a captain. Jackobi had 804 yards to JuJu's 933 with that horrific experiment last year. Jackobi is also historically healthier. Again, I like it, but not over Meyers and don't know why they couldn't have both unless another shoe drops. Oh, and JuJu also had Kelce in KC to go along with that AB narrative. Yeah, but JuJu is better at football. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2023 14:52:03 GMT -5
To me, JuJu and Jacobi seem pretty comparable. Not a significant upgrade or downgrade. Maybe slight edge to JuJu due to YAC. I am still wondering why Bill felt the need to corner the market in backup tackles instead getting one good starter. Here's hoping they are still in on Orlando Brown. Money |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2023 14:52:33 GMT -5
The biggest difference between teams and fans when it comes to adding players (Free Agency, Trades, Draft) is that fans (most) look at what a player is. That's it. Whatever they are is what they are (and will be).
Teams MUST look at what a player CAN be in their system (and with their coaching).
Even those of us who try to project are still limited in our ability to do so.
Specifically, on Offensive Tackles - turns out they spent some dough to bring in a guy who has a reputation of being pretty good at coaching up Offensive Tackles. We'll see if that bet is right.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 15, 2023 15:05:11 GMT -5
He wasn't that good in Pittsburgh without AB and had slightly better numbers than Meyers in KC with Patrick Mahomes throwing to him in an Andy Reid offense. We know Mac Jones likes Jackobi Meyers and has been his go-to guy and probably would have been a captain. Jackobi had 804 yards to JuJu's 933 with that horrific experiment last year. Jackobi is also historically healthier. Again, I like it, but not over Meyers and don't know why they couldn't have both unless another shoe drops. Oh, and JuJu also had Kelce in KC to go along with that AB narrative. Yeah, but JuJu is better at football. Is he? They're very comparable and personally I like the guy you know works with your QB in your system. JuJu could be a complete bust. Did KC try to sign him? It's just really interesting they both got the same deal by different franchises. I believe ESPN had some back and forth as to who the better WR was before anyone signed anywhere. |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 15, 2023 15:05:30 GMT -5
Other teams have OL coaches too. Because Klem isnt an obvious disasterous choice, like say MP, doesnt mean he is going to turn a bunch of career borderline starters into All Pros. Last year they started the year with no OL depth and it bit them in the a$$. So getting one good backup is nice...recall how Karas saved us two years ago. But 4 mediocre OTs doesnt equate to one good starter.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2023 15:12:50 GMT -5
I'm not saying he is. I'm saying that's the bet they are making. All acquisitions in all sports are, in some part, a projection. So while you THINK BB is just gathering Backup OT's, the answer to your question above is that they (probably) don't.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2023 15:15:57 GMT -5
Yeah, but JuJu is better at football. Is he? They're very comparable and personally I like the guy you know works with your QB in your system. JuJu could be a complete bust. Did KC try to sign him? It's just really interesting they both got the same deal by different franchises. I believe ESPN had some back and forth as to who the better WR was before anyone signed anywhere. He works in what way? Problem with Meyers is he isn’t a play maker. I’m not saying that’s bad but if you’re trying to have receivers who can make things happen, he’s not the guy. Boring, reliable has value too, but it’s limited in upside. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 15, 2023 15:19:39 GMT -5
The Rogers trade to the Jets bothers me. Instead of an automatic 2 wins against the Jets every year, it might be the other way around. Add in 2 loses to the Bills and one to Miami in Miami and that’s a tough way to start a new season. Man, I am not sure why the fanbase is reacting this way. We are a rebuilding team. We are not competing for a super bowl. It’s less about wins and losses and more about talent acquisition and not taking on bad contracts. Goodbye getting excited about super bowls, hello getting excited about young cost-controlled talent. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 15, 2023 15:20:35 GMT -5
Is he? They're very comparable and personally I like the guy you know works with your QB in your system. JuJu could be a complete bust. Did KC try to sign him? It's just really interesting they both got the same deal by different franchises. I believe ESPN had some back and forth as to who the better WR was before anyone signed anywhere. He works in what way? Problem with Meyers is he isn’t a play maker. I’m not saying that’s bad but if you’re trying to have receivers who can make things happen, he’s not the guy. Boring, reliable has value too, but it’s limited in upside. He wasn't a "game breaker", but if you need 4 yards he's basically a vacuum. He has a slightly higher catch percentage and a good option to move the chains. JuJu has more potential to turn 4 into 10, but Meyers was very good at keeping drives alive. Last year Meyers was tied for 9th in 3rd down conversions. JuJu was 18th (which is a difference of 2 conversions). 9th in football on a terrible offense and mediocre QB isn't bad. |
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Post by jmei on Mar 15, 2023 15:34:15 GMT -5
Meyers got overrated because he was the best of a bad bunch of WRs. He could find holes in zone coverage and was a reliable route runner/had good hands but had no explosiveness and was bad after the catch. The Patriots front office clearly did not think highly of him (his tweet suggests that he would have re-signed with the Patriots if offered the same contract). I'm inclined to agree. Smith-Schuster is the better player and is the same age, so that's an upgrade in my book.
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Post by cdj on Mar 15, 2023 16:07:08 GMT -5
Much better after the catch than Meyers He wasn't that good in Pittsburgh without AB and had slightly better numbers than Meyers in KC with Patrick Mahomes throwing to him in an Andy Reid offense. We know Mac Jones likes Jackobi Meyers and has been his go-to guy and probably would have been a captain. Jackobi had 804 yards to JuJu's 933 with that horrific experiment last year. Jackobi is also historically healthier. Again, I like it, but not over Meyers and don't know why they couldn't have both unless another shoe drops. Oh, and JuJu also had Kelce in KC to go along with that AB narrative. In the role that he’d play this is why they chose Juju over Meyers. Meyers doesn’t YAC. I’d look at Juju playing an Aaron Hernandez type role in BOB’s offense. He won’t come out of the backfield but they’ll scheme up some touches for him and let him do damage after the catch |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2023 16:09:25 GMT -5
He wasn't that good in Pittsburgh without AB and had slightly better numbers than Meyers in KC with Patrick Mahomes throwing to him in an Andy Reid offense. We know Mac Jones likes Jackobi Meyers and has been his go-to guy and probably would have been a captain. Jackobi had 804 yards to JuJu's 933 with that horrific experiment last year. Jackobi is also historically healthier. Again, I like it, but not over Meyers and don't know why they couldn't have both unless another shoe drops. Oh, and JuJu also had Kelce in KC to go along with that AB narrative. In the role that he’d play this is why they chose Juju over Meyers. Meyers doesn’t YAC. I’d look at Juju playing an Aaron Hernandez type role in BOB’s offense. He won’t come out of the backfield but they’ll scheme up some touches for him and let him do damage after the catch He’ll kill it |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 15, 2023 17:13:12 GMT -5
He wasn't that good in Pittsburgh without AB and had slightly better numbers than Meyers in KC with Patrick Mahomes throwing to him in an Andy Reid offense. We know Mac Jones likes Jackobi Meyers and has been his go-to guy and probably would have been a captain. Jackobi had 804 yards to JuJu's 933 with that horrific experiment last year. Jackobi is also historically healthier. Again, I like it, but not over Meyers and don't know why they couldn't have both unless another shoe drops. Oh, and JuJu also had Kelce in KC to go along with that AB narrative. In the role that he’d play this is why they chose Juju over Meyers. Meyers doesn’t YAC. I’d look at Juju playing an Aaron Hernandez type role in BOB’s offense. He won’t come out of the backfield but they’ll scheme up some touches for him and let him do damage after the catch Fwiw, he’s probably a better blocker than Hernandez as well. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2023 20:25:04 GMT -5
NE signing James Robinson, RB. Rushed for 425 Yds last year (11 games, 5 starts).
EDIT - had over 1K rushing his rookie year (2020). Tore Achilles in 21.
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Post by rsimon on Mar 15, 2023 20:33:02 GMT -5
Yuk. Damien Harris is way better.
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Post by philarhody on Mar 15, 2023 20:44:58 GMT -5
Robinson was a good player prior to getting hurt. He reads it right.
He was upset that he didn’t get burn with New York. Maybe he’ll have a little chip on his shoulder. He’s only 24.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2023 20:50:19 GMT -5
The threat of release has brought Darius Slay back to the negotiating table. Jeff Howe reporting Philly is trying to keep him now.
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Post by jmei on Mar 15, 2023 21:05:07 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2023 21:07:18 GMT -5
Similar rushing numbers. Robinson MUCH better out of the backfield (at least in Jax). More fumbles. Probably will come in cheaper than Harris would (and Harris was likely leaving for a lead gig that he likely wasn't getting here).
Little bonus is that JRob doesn't have enough years to count for the comp formula so they likely will win on that exchange (though it could be meaningless depending on other moves).
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2023 21:23:42 GMT -5
Orlando Brown to the Bengals.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 15, 2023 21:41:43 GMT -5
Is anyone else confused about the cap hit next year from McCourty? 6.5m next year is a lot of dead weight.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2023 21:42:13 GMT -5
We'll have to see the numbers on Robinson, as those up to 8 million over two years deals could be a lot of different things. If it's a low risk amount okay. Yet the fumbles don't mix with Bill and the Patriots. Get that under control or he won't even make the team.
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