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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 1, 2023 12:16:15 GMT -5
RedSox farm ranking history on fangraphs Rk Org Value Ct Average 2019 30 BOS $56M 26 $2.2M 30 BOS $96M 33 $2.9M 2020 29 BOS $114M 36 $3.2M 23 BOS $152M 44 $3.4M 2021 18 BOS $204M 51 $4.0M 9 BOS $242M 53 $4.6M 2022 9 BOS $259M 52 $5.0M 9 BOS $245M 61 $4.0M 2023 5 BOS $282M 46 $6.1M 5 BOS $245M 50 $4.9M The Casas graduation (valued at $46M) dropped the sox to fifth...they would have been second...pretty whack. I assume top-5 to top-10 farm system was the goal. Should be interesting so see where we go from here. With none of the top 10 graduating by the end of this year (and probably still none by mid-season 2024), up and up. With the trades of other teams prospects the Sox are now up to 3 overall at fangraphs. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2023 5:38:00 GMT -5
With none of the top 10 graduating by the end of this year (and probably still none by mid-season 2024), up and up. With the trades of other teams prospects the Sox are now up to 3 overall at fangraphs. If you look at average values, Washington in 4th place looks like a potential top heavy monster. The Cubbies in 2nd place looks like a depth thing, we should pass them easily. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2023 8:06:19 GMT -5
If they continue at the current level of performance, Rafaela and Perales should get some significant helium over the remaining year.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 2, 2023 9:01:06 GMT -5
Does anyone have any idea as to where the Sox might stack up on the other baseball prospect national ranking sites come end of season. I like how Fangraphs updates quite a bit but they also seem to rank farm systems in a bit of a different manner than BA, ESPN, Etc..
I don't know how we would necessarily know other than maybe podcasts and/or chats that some of the members of those organizations have done recently?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 2, 2023 9:18:36 GMT -5
Does anyone have any idea as to where the Sox might stack up on the other baseball prospect national ranking sites come end of season. I like how Fangraphs updates quite a bit but they also seem to rank farm systems in a bit of a different manner than BA, ESPN, Etc.. I don't know how we would necessarily know other than maybe podcasts and/or chats that some of the members of those organizations have done recently? I would imagine they'll come in a little lower for most outlets just because of the premium FG apparently puts on depth, at least that's how it appears to be calculated. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 2, 2023 9:49:08 GMT -5
Does anyone have any idea as to where the Sox might stack up on the other baseball prospect national ranking sites come end of season. I like how Fangraphs updates quite a bit but they also seem to rank farm systems in a bit of a different manner than BA, ESPN, Etc.. I don't know how we would necessarily know other than maybe podcasts and/or chats that some of the members of those organizations have done recently? I would imagine they'll come in a little lower for most outlets just because of the premium FG apparently puts on depth, at least that's how it appears to be calculated. This is my belief as well but figured I ask around and see if anyone had heard anything recently from the other sites. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 2, 2023 12:06:01 GMT -5
The guideposts to use are players onto and off of the list, then big movers up or down. They graduated Casas and added Teel and the other draftees, and didn't move anyone of great consequence (Murphy is going to graduate this month and that's the next-best guy). Anthony popped and to a lesser extent Drohan, but Mata fell. Probably more guys up than down?
My guess is they're up a little? Tough to tell without a feel for other systems.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2023 21:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 9, 2023 10:43:41 GMT -5
Updated BA top 30: 1. Mayer 2. Anthony 3. Bleis 4. Teel 5. Yorke 6. Rafaela 7. Perales 8. Gonzalez 9. Drohan 10. Hickey 11. Bonaci 12. Cespedes 13. Zanetello 14. Meidroth 15. Jordan 16. Paulino 17. Valdez 18. Anderson 19. Romero 20. Walter 21. Murphy 22. Hamilton 23. Garcia 24. Rodriguez-Cruz 25. Brannon 26. Abreu 27. Castro 28. Bastardo 29. Monegro 30. Dobbins www.baseballamerica.com/teams/2004-boston-red-sox/prospects/ |
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Post by nomar on Aug 9, 2023 10:55:26 GMT -5
Ok Nate!
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 9, 2023 10:59:32 GMT -5
Thats a low spot for Romero
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 9, 2023 11:17:50 GMT -5
I'm certainly not the highest on Rafaela among us, but behind Yorke and Teel (and to a lesser extent Bleis) is pretty wild to me.
Mata also off the list entirely.
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 9, 2023 12:37:50 GMT -5
Thats a low spot for Romero Was going to post a Romero question in the thread this am. It’s like a Yorke year injury write off without the promising first year |
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 9, 2023 12:42:46 GMT -5
My impression is that Romero has been hitting the ball pretty well and getting unlucky. He only has 76 ABs, don't need to turn very many outs into hits to make his stats look okay.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 9, 2023 14:54:00 GMT -5
Callis tweeted that the updated MLB lists will be released tomorrow night so we'll get another perspective. Not sure if Kiley (ESPN) will be updating his or not.
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Post by seamus on Aug 9, 2023 15:01:13 GMT -5
With Mayer's injury and results at AA this year (BABIP-driven though they may be), I do wonder if someone is going to be tempted to jump Anthony over him into the top spot. Can't imagine Callis would do that, at least not midseason, but if Mayer's injury drags on and they decide to just rest him, I could see some lists tempted to make the switch.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 9, 2023 22:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 9, 2023 22:33:06 GMT -5
Crazy to look at the lists from 2018-2019 and try to plug those names into this list. Like, Darwinzon was #2 to begin 2019 - strong A+ season, went to AFL, plus stuff, poor command, probably a reliever. You couldn’t put him ahead of Zanetello at 13. You’d probably drop him below a few of the guys after 13. The “top” prospects of the late 2010s system would largely struggle to break into the current top 20.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Aug 10, 2023 4:59:25 GMT -5
With Mayer's injury and results at AA this year (BABIP-driven though they may be), I do wonder if someone is going to be tempted to jump Anthony over him into the top spot. Can't imagine Callis would do that, at least not midseason, but if Mayer's injury drags on and they decide to just rest him, I could see some lists tempted to make the switch. Baseball Prospectus already did. On their mid season Top 60 they had Anthony at 9 and Mayer at 10. |
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 10, 2023 9:17:44 GMT -5
Crazy to look at the lists from 2018-2019 and try to plug those names into this list. Like, Darwinzon was #2 to begin 2019 - strong A+ season, went to AFL, plus stuff, poor command, probably a reliever. You couldn’t put him ahead of Zanetello at 13. You’d probably drop him below a few of the guys after 13. The “top” prospects of the late 2010s system would largely struggle to break into the current top 20. Darwinzon had some helium headed into 2019, and was probably about where Wikelman is. He was ahead of Casas, who Boston had just taken in the first round. 2019 Casas and 2023 Zanetello are probably rough equivalents. All in that same range though. Chavis was pretty much the consensus #1 and there's really no way he was a better prospect than Yorke is right now. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 10, 2023 9:25:09 GMT -5
Crazy to look at the lists from 2018-2019 and try to plug those names into this list. Like, Darwinzon was #2 to begin 2019 - strong A+ season, went to AFL, plus stuff, poor command, probably a reliever. You couldn’t put him ahead of Zanetello at 13. You’d probably drop him below a few of the guys after 13. The “top” prospects of the late 2010s system would largely struggle to break into the current top 20. Darwinzon had some helium headed into 2019, and was probably about where Wikelman is. He was ahead of Casas, who Boston had just taken in the first round. 2019 Casas and 2023 Zanetello are probably rough equivalents. All in that same range though. Chavis was pretty much the consensus #1 and there's really no way he was a better prospect than Yorke is right now. Agreed on all of this. Would also throw in that the system being in that place is a big part of what led to the regime change. |
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Post by incandenza on Aug 10, 2023 9:59:22 GMT -5
Darwinzon had some helium headed into 2019, and was probably about where Wikelman is. He was ahead of Casas, who Boston had just taken in the first round. 2019 Casas and 2023 Zanetello are probably rough equivalents. All in that same range though. Chavis was pretty much the consensus #1 and there's really no way he was a better prospect than Yorke is right now. Agreed on all of this. Would also throw in that the system being in that place is a big part of what led to the regime change. This makes perfect sense, and yet it's the first time I've heard this. I always got the impression it was the management of the major league roster and contracts Dombrowski handed out that was the issue.
Did he have a mandate to maintain the farm system? If so, what the heck was he doing his whole tenure? If not, what did ownership think they were getting into when they hired him?
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 10, 2023 10:08:41 GMT -5
I don't think it was a specific mandate so much as a holistic evaluation of the state of the system in mid-2019. Like if the farm was in that state but the major league roster was of championship quality I don't think it would've doomed him, but with the system so gutted there was nothing really to fall back on. They had this great young core but a very expensive, aging, and ineffective pitching staff and no financial flexibility to upgrade it or ability to supplement internally, either through trades or callups.
Short answer: him gutting the farm wasn't a problem until it was.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 10, 2023 12:36:26 GMT -5
www.mlb.com/news/prospects-who-made-biggest-jump-in-top-30-rankings-2023?t=mlb-pipeline-coverageRed Sox: Yoeilin Cespedes, SS Cespedes received the largest bonus ($1.4 million) in Boston's 2023 international class because he was considered one of the more advanced hitters on the market, and he has lived up to that reputation in the Rookie-level Dominican Summer League. Cespedes is batting .359/.409/.594 with six homers in 41 games and also earning praise for his baseball IQ and work ethic.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 10, 2023 12:39:18 GMT -5
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