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Celtics 2023 Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2023 22:51:21 GMT -5
Okay it's official, Stevens like raw upside guys with big wingspans.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 22, 2023 22:55:56 GMT -5
Glad I spent 24 hrs caring about late first rounders. Should have just kept ignoring the draft like I'd planned to!
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Post by nomar on Jun 22, 2023 22:58:50 GMT -5
Okay it's official, Stevens like raw upside guys with big wingspans. Based on all of these trades I don’t think he liked anyone |
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Post by cdj on Jun 22, 2023 23:10:58 GMT -5
The Senegalese guy is traded
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2023 23:25:16 GMT -5
So is it done? Walsh and four 2nd round picks? I don't mind Walsh, your typical upside D guy that's a jump shot away from being good.
Would have preferred Colby Jones and 3 2nds or Jones and Walsh with two.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 22, 2023 23:34:13 GMT -5
My final draft take is, while I get ad money and whatever else is important, taking 58 picks and stretching it into almost 5 hours is completely insane
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Post by philarhody on Jun 22, 2023 23:43:33 GMT -5
Jordan Walsh’s defensive tape is some of the best I’ve ever seen. He’s instantly Boston’s best defender. He’s like a bigger Mikal Bridges. Unreal feet for a guy with his length.
Note: fwiw, Bridges shot 29% from 3 as a freshman at Nova.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2023 5:05:25 GMT -5
Here's the complete list of picks Boston acquired.
Dallas’ 2024 second round pick
The best of Detroit’s, Golden State’s, or Washington’s 2025 second round pick
The best of Minnesota’s, New Orleans’s, New
York’s, or Portland’s 2026 second round pick
Atlanta’s 2027 second round pick
There’s likely to be a couple higher seconds in there if they don’t deal them.
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Jun 23, 2023 6:06:54 GMT -5
I like Jordan Walsh a lot. It's not just his physical gifts or his defensive potential, he also has a really highbmotor and is a good kid. Bodes well to be able to turn some of those physical gifts into nba production.
He also is an underrated passer.
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Post by cmax on Jun 23, 2023 6:28:50 GMT -5
Jordan Walsh’s defensive tape is some of the best I’ve ever seen. He’s instantly Boston’s best defender. He’s like a bigger Mikal Bridges. Unreal feet for a guy with his length. Note: fwiw, Bridges shot 29% from 3 as a freshman at Nova. I like this pick too, especially with the 4 additional compelling future 2nd Round picks acquired as well. Walsh looks like he can develop into a meaningful defender and contributor, but let's not overhype him as "instantly Boston's best defender." White was 2nd team all defense last year. Robert Williams is a game changing defender when healthy, and Brown, Tatum and Horford all have elite defensive ability as well. It is not hard to imagine Walsh contributing to a strong Celtics defense but let's not crown him the best defender on the team quite yet. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 23, 2023 8:16:21 GMT -5
I find the GG Jackson situation interesting. Was the #1 recruit in the 2023 HS class, committed to UNC then a month later decided to reclass and join to 2022 class at SC presumably to get to the league earlier figuring he'd be a first rounder. Showed some flashes but mostly struggles his first year in college on a bad team where he was the main guy surrounded by not much talent. Goes mid-way through the 2nd round instead. Obviously one never knows what might have been had he just remained in the 2024 class continued to develop in HS and then a year later in college on a better team where he wouldn't have had to shoulder as large of a load but it sure seems like he got some bad advice to me.
I'll stop short of saying some of these 17-18 year olds get preyed on but a lot of time they're dealing with people who probably don't have their best interests at heart and are getting spun a tale. That being said he's young and athletic with some skills and maybe Memphis isn't a bad place for him to be, he can probably learn from Jaren Jackson, Brandon Clarke and even now Marcus Smart a bit on being a professional. I think he can still have a nice career in the NBA.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jun 23, 2023 8:24:52 GMT -5
Underrated move of the night: moving out of the 1st and that guaranteed money gets us pretty darn close to being able to use the $5M MLE. Getting all those 2's gives us a bevy of 2nd round exceptions under the new CBA.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2023 9:44:11 GMT -5
They are going to trade some of those 2nds per reports, which is fine if they make the right moves. As in not trading two 2nds for Mike Muscala. I'd have no problem trading the Dallas or Hawks pick, I wouldn't trade the 2025 or 2026 picks, yeah those look like they have a great chance of being high picks and I assume those came from Detroit?
We'll see what happens and if if makes sense. Lots of Celtics are going all in, expect a ton more moves crap flying around. Still if Stevens simply took Colby Jones and Walsh with those two 2nds I would have given him an A+. I'm not going to say that's just like Bane, because it's not. Yet it's close and the Kings are making that move, wow they changed literally overnight. Yet Jones is a guy that can come in and help this year. He's got an offensive and defensive game that's developed now. Giving you a SG/SF that can guard PG to SF, which after trading Smart is a need no? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Walsh feels like a pick to answer what do you do with Giannis if Grant leaves question. Get you DVR ready, I want to see that. You needed a guy like him, as the Ringer says got that dog in him. Yet has a ways to go on offense, shot looks okay, FT percentage is good.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 23, 2023 9:50:26 GMT -5
They are going to trade some of those 2nds per reports, which is fine if they make the right moves. As in not trading two 2nds for Mike Muscala. I'd have no problem trading the Dallas or Hawks pick, I wouldn't trade the 2025 or 2026 picks, yeah those look like they have a great chance of being high picks and I assume those came from Detroit? We'll see what happens and if if makes sense. Lots of Celtics are going all in, expect a ton more moves crap flying around. Still if Stevens simply took Colby Jones and Walsh with those two 2nds I would have given him an A+. I'm not going to say that's just like Bane, because it's not. Yet it's close and the Kings are making that move, wow they changed literally overnight. Yet Jones is a guy that can come in and help this year. He's got an offensive and defensive game that's developed now. Giving you a SG/SF that can guard PG to SF, which after trading Smart is a need no? I guess we'll have to wait and see. Walsh feels like a pick to answer what do you do with Giannis if Grant leaves question. Get you DVR ready, I want to see that. You needed a guy like him, as the Ringer says got that dog in him. Yet has a ways to go on offense, shot looks okay, FT percentage is good. I agree with this 100%. I loved them having the 34th and 39th picks to be able to take a couple fliers on players. With the new CBA on the way, it will be important even more important to continue drafting and developing depth on an ongoing basis. Stevens deserves the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise, but Jones and Walsh would’ve been awesome. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2023 9:50:46 GMT -5
I find the GG Jackson situation interesting. Was the #1 recruit in the 2023 HS class, committed to UNC then a month later decided to reclass and join to 2022 class at SC presumably to get to the league earlier figuring he'd be a first rounder. Showed some flashes but mostly struggles his first year in college on a bad team where he was the main guy surrounded by not much talent. Goes mid-way through the 2nd round instead. Obviously one never knows what might have been had he just remained in the 2024 class continued to develop in HS and then a year later in college on a better team where he wouldn't have had to shoulder as large of a load but it sure seems like he got some bad advice to me. I'll stop short of saying some of these 17-18 year olds get preyed on but a lot of time they're dealing with people who probably don't have their best interests at heart and are getting spun a tale. That being said he's young and athletic with some skills and maybe Memphis isn't a bad place for him to be, he can probably learn from Jaren Jackson, Brandon Clarke and even now Marcus Smart a bit on being a professional. I think he can still have a nice career in the NBA. Should have went to G-league instead, look at all the players drafted off the Ignite team. Could have earned money and played with better talent. It's turning into one of the better ways to enter draft. Talent level is better than only a few college programs, likely better coaching. Yet he did land in a great place, Grizz are very good at developing talent. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 23, 2023 10:00:34 GMT -5
I find the GG Jackson situation interesting. Was the #1 recruit in the 2023 HS class, committed to UNC then a month later decided to reclass and join to 2022 class at SC presumably to get to the league earlier figuring he'd be a first rounder. Showed some flashes but mostly struggles his first year in college on a bad team where he was the main guy surrounded by not much talent. Goes mid-way through the 2nd round instead. Obviously one never knows what might have been had he just remained in the 2024 class continued to develop in HS and then a year later in college on a better team where he wouldn't have had to shoulder as large of a load but it sure seems like he got some bad advice to me. I'll stop short of saying some of these 17-18 year olds get preyed on but a lot of time they're dealing with people who probably don't have their best interests at heart and are getting spun a tale. That being said he's young and athletic with some skills and maybe Memphis isn't a bad place for him to be, he can probably learn from Jaren Jackson, Brandon Clarke and even now Marcus Smart a bit on being a professional. I think he can still have a nice career in the NBA. , look at all the players drafted off the Ignite team. Could have earned money and played with better talent. It's turning into one of the better ways to enter draft. Talent level is better than only a few college programs, likely better coaching. Yet he did land in a great place, Grizz are very good at developing talent. That certainly would have been a better option as well, it was just too much of a transition for him to expect I'm going to go to this bottom of the barrel SEC team and be the man when every team they played just keyed in on him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2023 10:01:10 GMT -5
One of the more shocking drops was Trayce Jackson Davis to pick 59, most mocks had him going in 20s. All because he can't shoot. Daniel Gafford just put up 17.4 win shares in four years not attempting a 3 point shot. Now Washington has another similar player.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2023 10:02:28 GMT -5
They are going to trade some of those 2nds per reports, which is fine if they make the right moves. As in not trading two 2nds for Mike Muscala. I'd have no problem trading the Dallas or Hawks pick, I wouldn't trade the 2025 or 2026 picks, yeah those look like they have a great chance of being high picks and I assume those came from Detroit? We'll see what happens and if if makes sense. Lots of Celtics are going all in, expect a ton more moves crap flying around. Still if Stevens simply took Colby Jones and Walsh with those two 2nds I would have given him an A+. I'm not going to say that's just like Bane, because it's not. Yet it's close and the Kings are making that move, wow they changed literally overnight. Yet Jones is a guy that can come in and help this year. He's got an offensive and defensive game that's developed now. Giving you a SG/SF that can guard PG to SF, which after trading Smart is a need no? I guess we'll have to wait and see. Walsh feels like a pick to answer what do you do with Giannis if Grant leaves question. Get you DVR ready, I want to see that. You needed a guy like him, as the Ringer says got that dog in him. Yet has a ways to go on offense, shot looks okay, FT percentage is good. I always look at FT% but his attempts are so low and the percentage isn’t that good it’s hard to look into it, but if the stroke looks ok and he’s a hard worker then I have confidence. They seem to have done a nice job recently developing players shooting. Grant, Jaylen etc.. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 23, 2023 10:05:25 GMT -5
One of the more shocking drops was Trayce Jackson Davis to pick 59, most mocks had him going in 20s. All because he can't shoot. Daniel Gafford just put up 17.4 win shares in four years not attempting a 3 point shot. Now Washington has another similar player. The fit is a tiny bit strange seeing how they took Walker in the first who also plays PF but yes at that point in the draft they got excellent value on him from what I read. They also took a PF with their other 2nd round pick but he's from Serbia and I know absolutely nothing about that guy and I suspect he might be a draft and stash guy. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 23, 2023 10:13:30 GMT -5
Jordan Walsh’s defensive tape is some of the best I’ve ever seen. He’s instantly Boston’s best defender. He’s like a bigger Mikal Bridges. Unreal feet for a guy with his length. Note: fwiw, Bridges shot 29% from 3 as a freshman at Nova. I like this pick too, especially with the 4 additional compelling future 2nd Round picks acquired as well. Walsh looks like he can develop into a meaningful defender and contributor, but let's not overhype him as "instantly Boston's best defender." White was 2nd team all defense last year. Robert Williams is a game changing defender when healthy, and Brown, Tatum and Horford all have elite defensive ability as well. It is not hard to imagine Walsh contributing to a strong Celtics defense but let's not crown him the best defender on the team quite yet. Yeah that’s an insane take. I watched a good amount of Arkansas games this year and Walsh is very, very far from belonging on an NBA court. He’s a worse rebounder than she should be, is far from perfect defensively despite his ++ wingy as most college freshman are (4th in defensive RAPM on his team), and he has basically no offensive game right now. I will say is that his shot isn’t as ugly as you’d think, and obviously he has all of the tools to be a plus defender. He needs to keep developing his jumper and maybe he can be a 3 and D player in a few years, but he will be a slow burn and the odds of him ever sticking in the league are low. Not slamming the pick. It’s just your typical 2nd rounder |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 23, 2023 10:31:38 GMT -5
One of the more shocking drops was Trayce Jackson Davis to pick 59, most mocks had him going in 20s. All because he can't shoot. Daniel Gafford just put up 17.4 win shares in four years not attempting a 3 point shot. Now Washington has another similar player. The fit is a tiny bit strange seeing how they took Walker in the first who also plays PF but yes at that point in the draft they got excellent value on him from what I read. They also took a PF with their other 2nd round pick but he's from Serbia and I know absolutely nothing about that guy and I suspect he might be a draft and stash guy. Draft trades are impossible to follow with the insane way the NBA does things but Walker is going to Indiana (Washington traded up 1 spot for Coulibaly essentially) and TJD is going to Golden State. I'd also note with TJD, while I liked him more than the NBA seemed to and had him going in the late 30's in the mock draft I did, that it's more nuanced than "he can't shoot". There's a pretty significant difference between a Gafford at 6'10" with a 7'2.5" wingspan and TJD who is 6'9" with a 7'0" wingspan. Center is such a measurables-heavy position, for better or worse. So I'm betting on him figuring it out because I think he's just a good basketball player but to a degree I also get it. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 23, 2023 10:47:03 GMT -5
The fit is a tiny bit strange seeing how they took Walker in the first who also plays PF but yes at that point in the draft they got excellent value on him from what I read. They also took a PF with their other 2nd round pick but he's from Serbia and I know absolutely nothing about that guy and I suspect he might be a draft and stash guy. Draft trades are impossible to follow with the insane way the NBA does things but Walker is going to Indiana (Washington traded up 1 spot for Coulibaly essentially) and TJD is going to Golden State. I'd also note with TJD, while I liked him more than the NBA seemed to and had him going in the late 30's in the mock draft I did, that it's more nuanced than "he can't shoot". There's a pretty significant difference between a Gafford at 6'10" with a 7'2.5" wingspan and TJD who is 6'9" with a 7'0" wingspan. Center is such a measurables-heavy position, for better or worse. So I'm betting on him figuring it out because I think he's just a good basketball player but to a degree I also get it. Oh sugars, you are correct. Can't stand the way the NBA does their trades at the draft. My mistake. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2023 11:56:00 GMT -5
He has a 7'1" wingspan with 33/36.5 vertical. Wingspan is crazy important for say Grant Williams and it certainly helps. Yet with very athletic player it matters less and 7 1" isn't crazy low in today's NBA. Brandon Clarke is 6'8.25" wingspan, doesn't matter because he's a very good athlete. Sure he won't be blocking 3s like Robert Williams, yet as a backup PF/C? He's also got some good weight on him, unlike a bunch of these crazy skinny guys.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 23, 2023 12:23:52 GMT -5
They are going to trade some of those 2nds per reports, which is fine if they make the right moves. As in not trading two 2nds for Mike Muscala. I'd have no problem trading the Dallas or Hawks pick, I wouldn't trade the 2025 or 2026 picks, yeah those look like they have a great chance of being high picks and I assume those came from Detroit? We'll see what happens and if if makes sense. Lots of Celtics are going all in, expect a ton more moves crap flying around. Still if Stevens simply took Colby Jones and Walsh with those two 2nds I would have given him an A+. I'm not going to say that's just like Bane, because it's not. Yet it's close and the Kings are making that move, wow they changed literally overnight. Yet Jones is a guy that can come in and help this year. He's got an offensive and defensive game that's developed now. Giving you a SG/SF that can guard PG to SF, which after trading Smart is a need no? I guess we'll have to wait and see. Walsh feels like a pick to answer what do you do with Giannis if Grant leaves question. Get you DVR ready, I want to see that. You needed a guy like him, as the Ringer says got that dog in him. Yet has a ways to go on offense, shot looks okay, FT percentage is good. I always look at FT% but his attempts are so low and the percentage isn’t that good it’s hard to look into it, but if the stroke looks ok and he’s a hard worker then I have confidence. They seem to have done a nice job recently developing players shooting. Grant, Jaylen etc.. He had a better FT percentage than Brown and Williams there first year in college. I like the look of his FT, soft touch. 3 point shot is a little weird, yet again soft touch. You never know with these things, yet soft touch and a good FT shot gives you some hope. It's the rest of his offensive game that's more of a worry frankly. High dribble, heck his moves and drives are just awkward looking, which is surprising for such a good athlete. Right now on offense I have no clue what you do with him besides go up for dunks and get offensive rebounds. His D might be ready now, his offense isn't. Yet like you said, the Celtics have done good work developing guys. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 23, 2023 12:33:52 GMT -5
Mychal Mulder is playing summer league for us
Kid can shoot
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