Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 26, 2023 6:25:16 GMT -5
I see a huge problem using Thybulle, Jones and Dort. Stats back up Thybulle and Jones being darn good defenders. Defensive win shares, Defensive boxscore plus minus, Defensive rating and where that ranks on your team. It all checks out, Dort has a negative career boxscore rating, bad Defensive ratings and those ratings aren't even good on his team. You can't make a case saying Dort had first team Defensive impact as a rookie. Numbers say he was about the 6th best defender on that team. He really matters because he's the only one and done guy, Thybulle and Jones spent four years in College. We'd be having a very different conversation if Walsh was a senior and not a freshman.
You have a “huge problem” because you’re looking for problems in the data set. The fact that one guy was a one and done doesn’t nullify his defensive efforts against James Harden in a 7 game series as a rookie.
So let’s dialogue. How do you define a good NBA defender?
This isn't about good defensive effort, this is about you watching limited tape and making a bad hot take. Then doubling down ten times. I watched some of that series, no problem saying Dort had good defensive effort in that series.
By your way, watching Grant versus Giannis you'd say he's first team defensive impact. Yet go pop on tape versus Siakam and he got destroyed. You can't judge D based on limited game tape. Horford versus Embiid looked like first team D, Horford versus Heat was maybe the worst I've ever seen him look.
Why define good? You said best defender on Celtics, a team with some of the best defenders in the league at their positions. There's a massive difference in a good defender and first team all defense, those are the best of the best. I already walked you through how to tell if a guy is really one of the better defenders in the league.
No one doesn't think Walsh will be a good defender, it's he'll be the Celtics best defender day one crap that we are pushing back on.