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Post by philarhody on Jun 30, 2023 20:30:26 GMT -5
With these contracts being thrown around you can’t really argue Jaylen isn’t a super max guy… if anything it will be a tradable contract m. Seriously. I had the same thought. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 30, 2023 20:49:44 GMT -5
Apparently they were in on a Josh Richardson reunion before the Heat landed him
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 30, 2023 21:29:23 GMT -5
With these contracts being thrown around you can’t really argue Jaylen isn’t a super max guy… if anything it will be a tradable contract m. Largest contract is Grant 5 years 160 million, is Jaylen Brown twice the player he is? You give Brown a full 5 year regular max deal and he's taking home the biggest deal by a wide margin. The crazy money is overpaying role players, yet I don't see how that has anything to do with Brown. It's funny because I look at the big deals and come to the opposite conclusion you do. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 30, 2023 21:49:55 GMT -5
Oshae Brissett signed to a 2 year deal. He’s had some pretty good spurts for the pacers, down year last year though
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Post by cdj on Jun 30, 2023 23:19:53 GMT -5
C’s met with Dalano Banton. Weird player- 6’9 and can run the point
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 1, 2023 6:28:04 GMT -5
With these contracts being thrown around you can’t really argue Jaylen isn’t a super max guy… if anything it will be a tradable contract m. Largest contract is Grant 5 years 160 million, is Jaylen Brown twice the player he is? You give Brown a full 5 year regular max deal and he's taking home the biggest deal by a wide margin. The crazy money is overpaying role players, yet I don't see how that has anything to do with Brown. It's funny because I look at the big deals and come to the opposite conclusion you do. Kyrie and FVV both got over $40m per year. Halliburton got over $50m on an extension. Browns extension will kick in after this year and run during an increased cap period so if you are looking to get out of it in 3 years it’s easier. Your options are to give it to him, trade him now or let him walk. I actually fully get where you are coming from and agree he should be a little less than the full max but it’s not the reality of his things will play out and he’d be pissed here if you tried to give him less and there’s no way to replace him. |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 1, 2023 9:23:14 GMT -5
With these contracts being thrown around you can’t really argue Jaylen isn’t a super max guy… if anything it will be a tradable contract m. Largest contract is Grant 5 years 160 million, is Jaylen Brown twice the player he is? You give Brown a full 5 year regular max deal and he's taking home the biggest deal by a wide margin. The crazy money is overpaying role players, yet I don't see how that has anything to do with Brown. It's funny because I look at the big deals and come to the opposite conclusion you do. Did you see the Van Fleet deal? |
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Post by jmei on Jul 1, 2023 11:15:28 GMT -5
If guys like Van Vleet and Haliburton are getting (super)maxes, Brown is definitely going to get one. He’s going to be very tradeable on that contract if things go wrong so I have no issue with it.
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2023 11:20:46 GMT -5
Lillard has officially requested a trade, seems like he will try to steer it to the Heat
Hopefully they give up Herro+
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Post by philarhody on Jul 1, 2023 11:47:22 GMT -5
Welp, at least Boston will get beat by a Miami team as talented as they are.
(In all seriousness, if Boston stays healthy no team in the league can match their size and skill. Toughness? Not so much)
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 1, 2023 11:57:17 GMT -5
Lillard has officially requested a trade, seems like he will try to steer it to the Heat Hopefully they give up Herro+ Lillard has officially requested a trade, seems like he will try to steer it to the Heat Hopefully they give up Herro+ He technically has no leverage to go where he wants to and if I’m Portland I’d be pissed at him right now. I’ve had so much respect for how he’s handled the situation to this point over the years, but now he waits until the day after free agency and they over-pay someone to play with him? F that… They Heat have crap to offer, if you want young players and good draft assets. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2023 12:41:52 GMT -5
Lillard has officially requested a trade, seems like he will try to steer it to the Heat Hopefully they give up Herro+ Lillard has officially requested a trade, seems like he will try to steer it to the Heat Hopefully they give up Herro+ He technically has no leverage to go where he wants to and if I’m Portland I’d be pissed at him right now. I’ve had so much respect for how he’s handled the situation to this point over the years, but now he waits until the day after free agency and they over-pay someone to play with him? F that… They Heat have crap to offer, if you want young players and good draft assets. I would imagine they’ve been in communication, especially since they picked Scoot Henderson. I think both parties have a lot of respect for each other and despite Lillard having no real leverage, I think he means a lot to that franchise and they’ll honor his wishes. It’s not dissimilar to what happened with the Bruins and Bourque imo |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 1, 2023 12:43:46 GMT -5
Largest contract is Grant 5 years 160 million, is Jaylen Brown twice the player he is? You give Brown a full 5 year regular max deal and he's taking home the biggest deal by a wide margin. The crazy money is overpaying role players, yet I don't see how that has anything to do with Brown. It's funny because I look at the big deals and come to the opposite conclusion you do. Kyrie and FVV both got over $40m per year. Halliburton got over $50m on an extension. Browns extension will kick in after this year and run during an increased cap period so if you are looking to get out of it in 3 years it’s easier. Your options are to give it to him, trade him now or let him walk. I actually fully get where you are coming from and agree he should be a little less than the full max but it’s not the reality of his things will play out and he’d be pissed here if you tried to give him less and there’s no way to replace him. Haliburton didn't get $50 million, he got $40 million and change same as Bane, it's currently like 207 million. I have no clue what Wojo is talking about, unless it's the fact that the contracts aren't set till next years cap and can go up. Yet same is true with Browns deal, not set in stone till year one of that cap number. Right now Browns is 61.3 million a year and will likely go up by next year. That's the thing with max or super max level extensions. In Baseball we'd have a nice conversation based of value per win shares. Jaylen Brown has ungodly advanced numbers when talking about a super max contract. Go look at where Browns best win share season ranks amoung these guys, you'll be surprised. I'd give him full max all day long, betting he finally puts it all together. I'm against full super max. Brown on a regular full max level deal still gets biggest deal of any free agent if you use his current salary. ANY contract is tradable, that was proven time and again with Westbrook. I'm not arguing against that. I'm saying you give him that deal with Tatum, you'll basically be forced to trade him. I'm saying this to keep the team together long-term given the new CBA. Nevermind zero advanced stats back it up and he gets worse not better in playoffs. A full regular max level deal is more than any other team can give him in free agency. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 1, 2023 12:45:35 GMT -5
If guys like Van Vleet and Haliburton are getting (super)maxes, Brown is definitely going to get one. He’s going to be very tradeable on that contract if things go wrong so I have no issue with it. No one got a full super max level deal! It's currently 306 million over 5 years, over 61 million a year on average. |
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Post by mobaz on Jul 1, 2023 14:20:11 GMT -5
If guys like Van Vleet and Haliburton are getting (super)maxes, Brown is definitely going to get one. He’s going to be very tradeable on that contract if things go wrong so I have no issue with it. No one got a full super max level deal! It's currently 306 million over 5 years, over 61 million a year on average. It's because this is Jaylens 3rd contract. Rules change. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 1, 2023 14:54:48 GMT -5
No one got a full super max level deal! It's currently 306 million over 5 years, over 61 million a year on average. It's because this is Jaylens 3rd contract. Rules change. Brown can only get a supermax because he's with his original team and made an all NBA team. It also includes MVP and defensive player of the year. It also goes by service time, not amount of contracts, Van Vleet is in the same tier as Brown, Haliburton could have gotten an extra 5% if he made any of those I listed. He got a simple max level deal, yet because he was traded on his rookie deal he was eligible. Van Vleet by signing with a new team can't get one and neither have the hardware either. So I don't really understand what you're trying to say, calling those two deals super max deals isn't correct. |
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Post by ianrs on Jul 1, 2023 15:09:51 GMT -5
If the Heat really get DAMIAN LILLARD for Herro+scraps and picks...ima be real mad.
Tbh I hope we trade Jaylen, Malcolm, and all the picks for him. Won't happen but I can dream.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 1, 2023 20:23:10 GMT -5
It's because this is Jaylens 3rd contract. Rules change. Brown can only get a supermax because he's with his original team and made an all NBA team. It also includes MVP and defensive player of the year. It also goes by service time, not amount of contracts, Van Vleet is in the same tier as Brown, Haliburton could have gotten an extra 5% if he made any of those I listed. He got a simple max level deal, yet because he was traded on his rookie deal he was eligible. Van Vleet by signing with a new team can't get one and neither have the hardware either. So I don't really understand what you're trying to say, calling those two deals super max deals isn't correct. I think what he’s trying to say is, a dude who can’t dribble left and has a 48 2k awareness rating is about to get a huge chunk of the home team’s salary cap. Don’t get beat up with the semantics. |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 1, 2023 20:24:19 GMT -5
I wonder if the delay in Jaylen signing has to do with a no trade clause. (?)
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Post by philarhody on Jul 1, 2023 21:18:49 GMT -5
If the Heat really get DAMIAN LILLARD for Herro+scraps and picks...ima be real mad. Tbh I hope we trade Jaylen, Malcolm, and all the picks for him. Won't happen but I can dream. Portland would absolutely take that for Dame. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2023 8:21:55 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown demanding a super max and no trade clause, has me calling the Hawks.
Brown and Kornet for Murray, Okongwu, Bey, Griffin, picks and pick swaps.
I don't want to trade him, I don't want to give him a super max, yet I'm not giving him a no trade clause. I'll give Tatum one no problem, not Brown on a super max deal making over $60 million. That trade makes sense for both teams.
You can't trade him for a old Lillard though.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2023 9:26:07 GMT -5
I’ve seen no credible reports that Brown is looking for a No Trade… only one player has one in his contract.
If Grant Williams is just a MLE signing then you match that all day long if you can’t get a good sign and trade, no?
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Post by philarhody on Jul 2, 2023 9:53:06 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown demanding a super max and no trade clause, has me calling the Hawks. Brown and Kornet for Murray, Okongwu, Bey, Griffin, picks and pick swaps. I don't want to trade him, I don't want to give him a super max, yet I'm not giving him a no trade clause. I'll give Tatum one no problem, not Brown on a super max deal making over $60 million. That trade makes sense for both teams. You can't trade him for an old Lillard though. Now you’re talking! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2023 11:44:26 GMT -5
I was half joking, yet that trade solves a bunch of issues and certainly would be interesting.
Yeah I bring back Grant Williams. I'm wondering if he wants a big payday, if it isn't smart to accept the $8.5 million QO and go to free agency next year.
The worry with Grant is dumping salary long-term. Houston had to attach 2nd round picks to recent 1st round picks to dump their salaries to sign guys. It's only going to get worse. Our owners say they are willing to spend, yet with no rules I doubt they are willing to spend like GS long-term.
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Post by cdj on Jul 2, 2023 12:15:56 GMT -5
Woj says Lillard is available for the best offer and that Portland WONT be steering Lillard wherever he wants
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