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Celtics 2023 Offseason Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2023 13:58:03 GMT -5
I was half joking, yet that trade solves a bunch of issues and certainly would be interesting. Yeah I bring back Grant Williams. I'm wondering if he wants a big payday, if it isn't smart to accept the $8.5 million QO and go to free agency next year. The worry with Grant is dumping salary long-term. Houston had to attach 2nd round picks to recent 1st round picks to dump their salaries to sign guys. It's only going to get worse. Our owners say they are willing to spend, yet with no rules I doubt they are willing to spend like GS long-term. It’s probably smart to accept a 3 year deal with an opt out after 2 so he can hit FA after the new tv deal hits, but he can get some real money secured. |
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Post by mobaz on Jul 3, 2023 12:17:20 GMT -5
Good teams with tight caps have gotten a lot of veteran players I like, and I'm disappointed we haven't waded into that depth pool. Without knowing terms and cap details, Cory Joseph with the Warriors, Dennis Smith with the Nets, Pat Bev with Philly, Eubank and Bates-Diop with the Suns. All are useful players (most likely) on short money short deals but without clearer paths to relevance than here. Cory Joseph is one who stands out to me who seems to pop when leaned on.
Apparently we signed Dalano Banton, whom I've never heard of but is a 6'9" guard from the Raptors, originally played at Nebraska.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 3, 2023 12:35:16 GMT -5
I just watched tape on Banton, he's a very interesting player. We need to hire the Raptors scouts because I never heard of him, wasn't invited to combine. Played HS ball in Massachusetts. He's athletic, nice dribble, court vision and plays D. He's a developmental type guy, can't shoot 3 well, yet not many PG can give you a steal and a block per 36 minutes. Given our current PG situation, I like it. I expected a much more raw type player.
I wouldn't mind another former Raptor in Terrance Davis either, who they've been linked too.
I'd love Bamba also, yet that seems unlikely given our depth.
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Post by cdj on Jul 3, 2023 12:49:08 GMT -5
Not a lot of PG’s out there with Banton’s size
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 3, 2023 15:07:32 GMT -5
I'd love Bamba also, yet that seems unlikely given our depth. Bamba couldn't get minutes over Tristan Thompson friend. I have always really liked Bamba, but maybe we need to move on at this point. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 3, 2023 16:59:08 GMT -5
I'd love Bamba also, yet that seems unlikely given our depth. Bamba couldn't get minutes over Tristan Thompson friend. I have always really liked Bamba, but maybe we need to move on at this point. Not a chance at veteran minimum salary. Who knows maybe you're right, yet barely played with Lakers due to injury before playoffs. TT barely played and he has a long history and chemistry with LeBron. Lakers played small ball to get more scoring on floor. He's a perfect final piece if you can get him, which is unlikely due to Williams, Unicorn and Horford. Also nice thing about him, is his numbers don't change starting or on bench. 3 point shooting, rebounding and blocked shots, that's just a rare combo. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 3, 2023 19:13:20 GMT -5
Not a chance at veteran minimum salary. Who knows maybe you're right, yet barely played with Lakers due to injury before playoffs. TT barely played and he has a long history and chemistry with LeBron. Lakers played small ball to get more scoring on floor. He's a perfect final piece if you can get him, which is unlikely due to Williams, Unicorn and Horford. Also nice thing about him, is his numbers don't change starting or on bench. 3 point shooting, rebounding and blocked shots, that's just a rare combo. It's tough because I really like Bamba, but he has always played on bad teams and after being traded for peanuts to a decent team, he didn't do much of anything. I get that the injury played a part, but I just can't trust him I guess lol. One guy they should take a look on a Bruce Brown deal is Christian Wood. Terrible defender who could have a tough market, he could play on a one year deal to regain value. Horford, RWIII and The Porzingod all have durability issues and they are all strong defenders, so you could pair any of them with Wood and still be doable. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 4, 2023 7:18:26 GMT -5
Don we're talking upgrading Kornets spot at center, he literally has no rule in playoffs unless an injury happens or you need more bodies for a guy like Embiid. He's insurance and depth. If he's good maybe that changes, if he's bad he doesn't play or gets traded. That's the beauty of if, there isn't much risk.
From everything I've seen if we use mid-level we get hard capped, seen it at two places now right before free agency started. That's highly unlikely as it really limits you and why they haven't used it.
I'd prefer the defender who was good on those bad Magic teams, imagine what he could do on the Celtics? Yet sure if you could get Woods it would be something you have to do, he's just that talented. It's like adding a Brogdon at the big spot. I don't think we can get Bamba because of our depth, I certainly think Wood will have many better options at getting more minutes. The Suns for example, who also have a bunch of injury risks and much less depth. Also a team designed to outscore people, not be a great defense team. Yet if it could happen, it would be a great move.
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Post by cdj on Jul 4, 2023 15:25:35 GMT -5
Double S&T, Dosunmu for Grant. Is that possible?
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Post by cdj on Jul 4, 2023 16:00:09 GMT -5
Bol Bol waived by the magic
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Post by philarhody on Jul 4, 2023 16:54:00 GMT -5
Double S&T, Dosunmu for Grant. Is that possible? Wouldn’t hate that. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 4, 2023 20:31:07 GMT -5
Don we're talking upgrading Kornets spot at center, he literally has no rule in playoffs unless an injury happens or you need more bodies for a guy like Embiid. He's insurance and depth. If he's good maybe that changes, if he's bad he doesn't play or gets traded. That's the beauty of if, there isn't much risk. From everything I've seen if we use mid-level we get hard capped, seen it at two places now right before free agency started. That's highly unlikely as it really limits you and why they haven't used it. I'd prefer the defender who was good on those bad Magic teams, imagine what he could do on the Celtics? Yet sure if you could get Woods it would be something you have to do, he's just that talented. It's like adding a Brogdon at the big spot. I don't think we can get Bamba because of our depth, I certainly think Wood will have many better options at getting more minutes. The Suns for example, who also have a bunch of injury risks and much less depth. Also a team designed to outscore people, not be a great defense team. Yet if it could happen, it would be a great move. Thing is, I think they are not replacing the Kornet spot, Woods would be replacing the Grant spot. In a way that would be a much better version of Enes Kanter, ideally. They are probably not going to get a guy like Grant if they need to replace him, so they probably could get creative. Granted I know it's a longshot. But this has been such a weird market. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 4, 2023 21:15:48 GMT -5
Don we're talking upgrading Kornets spot at center, he literally has no rule in playoffs unless an injury happens or you need more bodies for a guy like Embiid. He's insurance and depth. If he's good maybe that changes, if he's bad he doesn't play or gets traded. That's the beauty of if, there isn't much risk. From everything I've seen if we use mid-level we get hard capped, seen it at two places now right before free agency started. That's highly unlikely as it really limits you and why they haven't used it. I'd prefer the defender who was good on those bad Magic teams, imagine what he could do on the Celtics? Yet sure if you could get Woods it would be something you have to do, he's just that talented. It's like adding a Brogdon at the big spot. I don't think we can get Bamba because of our depth, I certainly think Wood will have many better options at getting more minutes. The Suns for example, who also have a bunch of injury risks and much less depth. Also a team designed to outscore people, not be a great defense team. Yet if it could happen, it would be a great move. Thing is, I think they are not replacing the Kornet spot, Woods would be replacing the Grant spot. In a way that would be a much better version of Enes Kanter, ideally. They are probably not going to get a guy like Grant if they need to replace him, so they probably could get creative. Granted I know it's a longshot. But this has been such a weird market. See I look at things differently, Unicorn has taken Grants role. We'll see what happens with starting lineups, yet he's a shooting PF that can play D, just in a different way. LIke I said it's unlikely with Bamba with our depth. Kornet is nothing to me because he can't play playoff minutes, I think Bamba has a chance and Horford is getting old. We do have a bunch of roster spots to fill. I'm game, Wood is that talented that you certainly do it if you can. Mavs have been big on Grant, so maybe it's a sign and trade. It's not crazy, our bigs will miss games and it could be a lot of them. That's probably the more realistic way you could get him, his D though. Why Mavs stopped starting him and it's crazy, it's not he lacks the ability. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 4, 2023 21:20:49 GMT -5
Double S&T, Dosunmu for Grant. Is that possible? I'd say highly unlikely, yet to this day given the rules, I still don't understand how Kemba for Rozier worked. So it likely can happen. I'd point out I haven't seen Grant linked to them. Also Bulls messed up Dosunmu development making him a SG. I liked him coming out, looked at what I said, hated his shot mechanics, yet quick release. It's certainly an interesting idea. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 5, 2023 12:51:00 GMT -5
I keep seeing two reports on Grant Williams, they will keep him if the deal is mid-level or less. Only two teams can give him more, Jazz who have a million PF and Spurs, yet zero reports saying they are interested.
2nd report is they want a first round pick to do a sign and trade, which many people think is crazy unlikely.
It's confusing, yet if I had to guess it likely includes Brogdon. We do have reports that Grant and Brogdon are holding up Browns deal, as they want the others things resolved first. Yet I don't see how that matters for just an extension.
I wonder if Stevens is waiting on those big trades seeing if maybe he can get in on them if the right piece becomes available. Kinda weird, so much talk about Celtics not being close to done after getting Unicorn. Yet so far, we've gotten two bench depth signings for guys unlikely to play playoff minutes.
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Post by cdj on Jul 5, 2023 18:32:26 GMT -5
Grant Williams to Dallas in a 3 team sign and trade
Celtics get 2 2nds and a $7mill trade exception
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 5, 2023 18:36:44 GMT -5
Grant Williams to Dallas in a 3 team sign and trade Celtics get 2 2nds and a $7mill trade exception Reloading the second round picks… they had none left heading into the draft and now I think have 7… |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 5, 2023 18:50:41 GMT -5
I thoroughly enjoyed the Grant Williams Era. May there someday be a Part II.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 5, 2023 18:50:58 GMT -5
My Wife: You're on that board a lot.
Me: No I'm not. BTW a few months ago I noticed one of the other posters started using the word "yet" in every single post. Sometime more than once. Does that mean it's a ChatBot?
My Wife: (just stares at me and then leaves the room)
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Post by cdj on Jul 5, 2023 19:02:37 GMT -5
We also get a 2025 2nd round pick swap
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 5, 2023 19:09:07 GMT -5
With Grant and Marcus gone, the refs will have a quieter time officiating Celtics games.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 5, 2023 20:15:20 GMT -5
Seeing 2025 pick swap 2nd round and Mavs don't have another 2nd round pick till 2030 unless they picked one up recently, so 2030 and 2031 2nds?
What is Stevens planning? Well besides acquiring every 2nd round pick he can get his hands on.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 5, 2023 20:21:19 GMT -5
Brad’s forcing Jayson and Jaylen to grow up. They’re going to have to stop being so nice all the time. The two toughest players on the team are off the squad. Crazy.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 5, 2023 20:39:12 GMT -5
Seeing 2025 pick swap 2nd round and Mavs don't have another 2nd round pick till 2030 unless they picked one up recently, so 2030 and 2031 2nds? What is Stevens planning? Well besides acquiring every 2nd round pick he can get his hands on.Scal was referencing the increased value of 2nd rounders due to recent CBA change -- I wasn't listening especially closely so I can't break it down. The gist seemed to be: 4 years control of very inexpensive labor. Of course the player has to first make your team, or someone else's (though that is their problem). |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 5, 2023 20:45:36 GMT -5
My Wife: You're on that board a lot. Me: No I'm not. BTW a few months ago I noticed one of the other posters started using the word "yet" in every single post. Sometime more than once. Does that mean it's a ChatBot? My Wife: (just stares at me and then leaves the room) Yes, a chatbot programmed to argue points into stardust. |
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