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Post by cdj on Jul 5, 2023 20:47:38 GMT -5
Shelbourne starting to connect Lillard to the Celtics
It’s tricky to make the finances work without including Jaylen. I think the most palatable option I saw when messing around with the trade machine is Brown + Brogdon (and some picks) for Lillard + Sharpe. Brown can be a franchise building block that fits the blazers new timeline better. Turning Sharpe to Brogdon is probably weird for them which is why I have us throwing in the picks
Lillard + Little is probably more likely
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Post by cdj on Jul 5, 2023 21:12:13 GMT -5
Do you think Oklahoma wants to put the ball in Giddey’s hands more and if so would they be willing to do something around Jaylen and Shai?
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Post by badfishnbc on Jul 6, 2023 7:39:49 GMT -5
Bol Bol waived by the magic I really was bummed that he never made it to camp after we traded for him. I would very much have liked to have seen his fit on this team. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 6, 2023 9:33:35 GMT -5
Seeing 2025 pick swap 2nd round and Mavs don't have another 2nd round pick till 2030 unless they picked one up recently, so 2030 and 2031 2nds? What is Stevens planning? Well besides acquiring every 2nd round pick he can get his hands on.Scal was referencing the increased value of 2nd rounders due to recent CBA change -- I wasn't listening especially closely so I can't break it down. The gist seemed to be: 4 years control of very inexpensive labor. Of course the player has to first make your team, or someone else's (though that is their problem). Absolutely I've said the same thing myself, 4 year deal without having to use mid-level money like before is huge. You just need to draft players you want to give a contract like that too, compared to 2 way deal. Recently Kings gave Colby Jones a 4 year deal, Warriors Jackson-Davis. Yeah I'm still upset about not taking Colby Jones. It's certainly useful having a bunch of 2nd round picks if you use them the right way. As in getting Unicorn and not trading two for Mike Muscala. BTW seeing 2024, 2025 pick swap and 2028 as the return |
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Post by mobaz on Jul 6, 2023 13:02:14 GMT -5
"Why are Britney Spears and Victor Wembanyama trending together on Twitter?? Huh? Oh, LORD!!"
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 6, 2023 19:08:11 GMT -5
Scal was referencing the increased value of 2nd rounders due to recent CBA change -- I wasn't listening especially closely so I can't break it down. The gist seemed to be: 4 years control of very inexpensive labor. Of course the player has to first make your team, or someone else's (though that is their problem). Absolutely I've said the same thing myself, 4 year deal without having to use mid-level money like before is huge. You just need to draft players you want to give a contract like that too, compared to 2 way deal. Recently Kings gave Colby Jones a 4 year deal, Warriors Jackson-Davis. Yeah I'm still upset about not taking Colby Jones. It's certainly useful having a bunch of 2nd round picks if you use them the right way. As in getting Unicorn and not trading two for Mike Muscala. BTW seeing 2024, 2025 pick swap and 2028 as the return I can’t find a site that has current draft picks after all the trades on draft night. They may be getting picks from the Spurs since the Spurs got a first pick swap from Dallas. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 6, 2023 21:11:13 GMT -5
This is the first time I’ve seen this…
PICKS TRADE: The Memphis Grizzlies are trading three second-round picks to the Phoenix Suns for two first-round pick swaps (2024 and 2030) and Isaiah Todd, sources tell ESPN. The seconds are 2025 via Pels, and Memphis’ 2028 and 2029 picks.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 6, 2023 22:06:34 GMT -5
Walsh signed which leaves the Cs with about 2.2m of room from the Super Tax and 14 players.
They'll have 3 2-way deals to work with so they may not sign any more players (unless they move a contract).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 7, 2023 7:33:31 GMT -5
Absolutely I've said the same thing myself, 4 year deal without having to use mid-level money like before is huge. You just need to draft players you want to give a contract like that too, compared to 2 way deal. Recently Kings gave Colby Jones a 4 year deal, Warriors Jackson-Davis. Yeah I'm still upset about not taking Colby Jones. It's certainly useful having a bunch of 2nd round picks if you use them the right way. As in getting Unicorn and not trading two for Mike Muscala. BTW seeing 2024, 2025 pick swap and 2028 as the return I can’t find a site that has current draft picks after all the trades on draft night. They may be getting picks from the Spurs since the Spurs got a first pick swap from Dallas. Yeah nothing is updated since draft. Would make sense given Dallas 2nd in 2024 had protections with Knicks and they didn't have a 2028 pick. Spurs have Lakers and Pelicans picks in 2024. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 7, 2023 8:16:33 GMT -5
RealGM, as most know, is typically the best source but, yeah, they haven't updated.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 7, 2023 8:54:52 GMT -5
Walsh signed which leaves the Cs with about 2.2m of room from the Super Tax and 14 players. They'll have 3 2-way deals to work with so they may not sign any more players (unless they move a contract). I can't track everything that changed in the new CBA. Is there a provision like there is in the NFL where experienced vet minimum pay is higher but the cap charge is lower so vets don't get pushed to the side? I thought there was discussion of that... I'm glad they fixed the 2nd rounder pay provision. |
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Post by badfishnbc on Jul 7, 2023 8:57:52 GMT -5
Walsh signed which leaves the Cs with about 2.2m of room from the Super Tax and 14 players. They'll have 3 2-way deals to work with so they may not sign any more players (unless they move a contract). This will be the team's first-ever use of the 2nd round exception created by the new CBA. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 7, 2023 10:39:31 GMT -5
I have no idea about the new CBA, it's likely going to be a while before we get all the details. Rather certain the old one reduced veteran minimum salaries for luxury tax purposes by the salary of players with zero years of service time. So teams with luxury tax concerns would sign veterans and not just a bunch of rookies and G League players to fill out the bench to save money. At same time I don't see Sportrac adjusting anything, they have never been 100% right most of the time either.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 7, 2023 10:48:38 GMT -5
Walsh signed which leaves the Cs with about 2.2m of room from the Super Tax and 14 players. They'll have 3 2-way deals to work with so they may not sign any more players (unless they move a contract). I can't track everything that changed in the new CBA. Is there a provision like there is in the NFL where experienced vet minimum pay is higher but the cap charge is lower so vets don't get pushed to the side? I thought there was discussion of that... I'm glad they fixed the 2nd rounder pay provision. Yes, there is. Counts as the same minimum salary, no matter which level of minimum pay it is. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 7, 2023 23:41:42 GMT -5
Shelbourne starting to connect Lillard to the Celtics It’s tricky to make the finances work without including Jaylen. I think the most palatable option I saw when messing around with the trade machine is Brown + Brogdon (and some picks) for Lillard + Sharpe. Brown can be a franchise building block that fits the blazers new timeline better. Turning Sharpe to Brogdon is probably weird for them which is why I have us throwing in the picks Lillard + Little is probably more likely Lillard saying he don’t wanna go to Celtics reminds me of Garnett. Pierce had a lot to do with talking to him. Funniest thing Garnett now says he wish he got here 5 years earlier. I mean you don’t wanna play with Tatum. You know about Brown I watched him all season. I have respect for him. He created a great one two punch. But that game 7, Tatum was bad luck. But your suppose to pull up your bootstraps and take over. Not be a mess. Miami knew, knew to force him to his left hand. I didn’t even know. I tell you something was up with Smart. His head wasn’t in that game. I can tell. When Timelord come into the game he was a major pain to Butler. But it seemed every time the game got to about 6 the celts would travel or do something dumb, one play Timelord had great defense and stopped I think Butler forced a bad shot, Timelord had to jump out of bounds to get it in. Smart was there but didn’t even react. The Heat got the ball. It was friggin annoying. I felt Tatum injury was manageable . But it’s over. Just ranting. But Brown killed me in that game. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 7, 2023 23:46:57 GMT -5
"Why are Britney Spears and Victor Wembanyama trending together on Twitter?? Huh? Oh, LORD!!" Dude I follow her on Instagram just for entertainment. She does the same dance on it. She always in her lingerie. Or bikini bottoms doing pirouettes |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 7, 2023 23:49:16 GMT -5
Maybe Brad is saying to himself I’ll give Joe 2 months and if I have to I’ll take over because this team is a team I can coach now.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2023 8:32:00 GMT -5
I don't see how you make Lillards salary work, because I'm not trading Brown for a 33 year old PG. At same time I wouldn't just allow the Heat to make that move for some of the crap offers I'm seeing. Playing games like signing 1st round pick so they can't trade him, reminds me of the Suns with Marrion years back. So I'd offer Brogdon and Horford, with filler and picks just to drive up the price! Anyone want to run the tax numbers on that going forward?
I have to say I'm surprised he only wants to team up with a 34 year old Butler. That's a very short window even if injuries don't happen. Many other teams could give him a longer window with young guys helping to pick up the slack as he ages.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 8, 2023 9:40:24 GMT -5
I don't see how you make Lillards salary work, because I'm not trading Brown for a 33 year old PG. At same time I wouldn't just allow the Heat to make that move for some of the crap offers I'm seeing. Playing games like signing 1st round pick so they can't trade him, reminds me of the Suns with Marrion years back. So I'd offer Brogdon and Horford, with filler and picks just to drive up the price! Anyone want to run the tax numbers on that going forward? I have to say I'm surprised he only wants to team up with a 34 year old Butler. That's a very short window even if injuries don't happen. Many other teams could give him a longer window with young guys helping to pick up the slack as he ages. We don’t have the salary filler to make that work. |
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2023 9:54:43 GMT -5
I think Brogdon, Williams and Horford works for salary matching purposes, but then you get real thin at the big man spot.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2023 10:23:50 GMT -5
I don't see how you make Lillards salary work, because I'm not trading Brown for a 33 year old PG. At same time I wouldn't just allow the Heat to make that move for some of the crap offers I'm seeing. Playing games like signing 1st round pick so they can't trade him, reminds me of the Suns with Marrion years back. So I'd offer Brogdon and Horford, with filler and picks just to drive up the price! Anyone want to run the tax numbers on that going forward? I have to say I'm surprised he only wants to team up with a 34 year old Butler. That's a very short window even if injuries don't happen. Many other teams could give him a longer window with young guys helping to pick up the slack as he ages. Just read up on The Athletic about new rules, because we're over first line, 110% for trades, not 125%, so it gets harder and a little crazy. I'm seeing Brogdon, Horford, Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser, and Champagnie works under new rules. Sending out $42.82 million rounded and taking back 45.64 million. Then you'd have to sign a bunch of minimum guys to fill out roster. It's crazy, but it's possible so you could help drive up the price. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2023 10:31:24 GMT -5
BTW starting next year, 7 million over luxury tax all trades need to be equal in salary. How is that even possible? Also we can't wait to use our trade exception next year, it disappears at the end of this regular season. So use it by deadline or its gone.
Also cap increases can't exceed 10% in a given year. So new TV deal won't cause some massive jump like we've seen before, it will be spread out over years.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 8, 2023 14:19:27 GMT -5
Jordan Walsh makes his first three 3’s in summer league. First two shots looked more on balance than third.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2023 16:02:53 GMT -5
How athletic is Justin Bean? He filled the stat sheets in the G -League last year and was very efficient doing it.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 8, 2023 18:42:24 GMT -5
Jordan Walsh makes his first three 3’s in summer league. First two shots looked more on balance than third. Those shots/makes were a surprise as were the commentators' identifying him as a 3 or 2 and D guy based on historical stats and scouting reports. He was certainly a hustler, but I thought that his lateral quickness was less than I anticipated. He didn't drive effectively to the basket. |
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