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Post by philarhody on Jul 9, 2023 22:52:31 GMT -5
Jordan Walsh makes his first three 3’s in summer league. First two shots looked more on balance than third. Those shots/makes were a surprise as were the commentators' identifying him as a 3 or 2 and D guy based on historical stats and scouting reports. He was certainly a hustler, but I thought that his lateral quickness was less than I anticipated. He didn't drive effectively to the basket. Yeah I agree. Some reps are very strong with the lateral movement. Some look like he’d rather play in trail technique. I don’t trust the offense at all. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 10, 2023 7:59:38 GMT -5
Those shots/makes were a surprise as were the commentators' identifying him as a 3 or 2 and D guy based on historical stats and scouting reports. He was certainly a hustler, but I thought that his lateral quickness was less than I anticipated. He didn't drive effectively to the basket. Yeah I agree. Some reps are very strong with the lateral movement. Some look like he’d rather play in trail technique. I don’t trust the offense at all. Interesting comment on trail technique. I gather that is when he trails the player with the ball and tries to block/defend from behind. I saw some of that. Again last night he had some opportunities to drive to the basket or drive and pull up short range, but passed them up. He exerts a lot of energy for sure. Like most rookies, he will be a work in progress. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 10, 2023 9:34:56 GMT -5
Kinda disappointing summer league so far. Davison is a guy you'd hope takes a big leap, yet kinda of the same guy. Polish center hasn't done much, guy from Hungary who looked great on tape hasn't even played. Scrubb has been good at scoring, yet where are the rebounds, assists, etc. Former Jazz center had a good night, after a not good game.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 10, 2023 9:41:28 GMT -5
Kinda disappointing summer league so far. Davison is a guy you'd hope takes a big leap, yet kinda of the same guy. Polish center hasn't done much, guy from Hungary who looked great on tape hasn't even played. Scrubb has been good at scoring, yet where are the rebounds, assists, etc. Former Jazz center had a good night, after a not good game. I thought that Davison looked slower than last year altho bulked up a bit. Scrubb and Walsh to me looked the best so far. Neither center impressed greatly. It's a ho hum team after 2 games. |
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Post by ianrs on Jul 10, 2023 22:44:23 GMT -5
I like Jordan Walsh. Think he'll be a solid Dorian Finney-Smith/Shane Battier type with Iguodala ultimate upside case. Nice glue guy snag in the 2nd round.
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Post by cdj on Jul 11, 2023 21:58:01 GMT -5
they apparently watched John Wall workout
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 11, 2023 22:52:57 GMT -5
Did the ISRAEL kid come over.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 12, 2023 19:19:09 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 12, 2023 19:19:45 GMT -5
Did the ISRAEL kid come over. He just signed a new two year deal overseas. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 12, 2023 23:33:08 GMT -5
with a top Turkish team too, good to see Madar highly regarded. Hopefully the deal he signed has opt outs because they could use another ball handler
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Post by ianrs on Jul 12, 2023 23:49:55 GMT -5
Kinda disappointing summer league so far. Davison is a guy you'd hope takes a big leap, yet kinda of the same guy. Polish center hasn't done much, guy from Hungary who looked great on tape hasn't even played. Scrubb has been good at scoring, yet where are the rebounds, assists, etc. Former Jazz center had a good night, after a not good game. I think this is fair overall, but to me it looks like we stole a first round talent in Walsh in the 2nd round (plus extra picks trading down). Even if that's all we get, it's a win IMO |
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2023 9:11:41 GMT -5
Thought Walsh was impressive last night
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 13, 2023 10:42:01 GMT -5
Thought Walsh was impressive last night I didn't stay up but noticed from the stats that neither team shot well...around 40%. Was this the result of tenacious defense or other in your opinion? I did see that Walsh hit a couple of 3s...2-7 among his 25 points. It's great to beat the Lakers anytime. From what I'm reading, they will be damn formidable this season. Please LeBron, finally get old. |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 13, 2023 11:19:40 GMT -5
Walsh reminds me of a skinny Igoudala without the same handle and passing chops. The shot is very similar (arm dominant, arrhythmic), but he easily projects as one of the better wing defenders in the league.
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2023 11:20:08 GMT -5
Thought Walsh was impressive last night I didn't stay up but noticed from the stats that neither team shot well...around 40%. Was this the result of tenacious defense or other in your opinion? I did see that Walsh hit a couple of 3s...2-7 among his 25 points. It's great to beat the Lakers anytime. From what I'm reading, they will be damn formidable this season. Please LeBron, finally get old. He had some really good on-ball moments defensively. Seemed to finish at the rim pretty well |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 13, 2023 14:22:02 GMT -5
I didn't stay up but noticed from the stats that neither team shot well...around 40%. Was this the result of tenacious defense or other in your opinion? I did see that Walsh hit a couple of 3s...2-7 among his 25 points. It's great to beat the Lakers anytime. From what I'm reading, they will be damn formidable this season. Please LeBron, finally get old. He had some really good on-ball moments defensively. Seemed to finish at the rim pretty well Just read a report that he didn't create for himself. I've noticed that stand out in the prior two games...just can't seem to clear and drive to the hoop. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2023 15:39:58 GMT -5
He had some really good on-ball moments defensively. Seemed to finish at the rim pretty well Just read a report that he didn't create for himself. I've noticed that stand out in the prior two games...just can't seem to clear and drive to the hoop. He’s pretty slow with his first step but it’s not anything that can’t get worked on. He showed some solid body control when being contested in the paint. Shot is very hit or miss. Plays very hard on both ends and defensively I was impressed with his ability to stay with smaller guards. He picked a couple pockets too IMO his potential is that of a good role player. If he improves his 3 pt shot to solid he’ll play in the league for a decade. With his defense he has a higher floor than what most people his age picked in the same spot have. He’s never going to be a primary scoring option though and frankly I wouldn’t expect him to be as a 2nd round pick |
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Post by jmei on Jul 13, 2023 16:55:18 GMT -5
Walsh's core offensive skills aren't well suited to summer league, where certain skills (ball handling, scoring off the dribble) shine while others (ball movement, cutting) aren't rewarded because guys gunning for jobs tend not to want to play team basketball.
On defense, while Walsh is definitely an above-average defender now with great length, an excellent motor and solid athleticism, he's also pretty jumpy and sometimes defends out of control (i.e., too aggressively). He's going to get a lot of touch fouls (because he's a big gangly rookie) and guys like Jimmy Butler are going to shred him on pump fakes and dribble moves. He might become one of the better defenders in the league in time, but he's not close to there in his rookie year.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 13, 2023 19:06:12 GMT -5
Just read a report that he didn't create for himself. I've noticed that stand out in the prior two games...just can't seem to clear and drive to the hoop. He’s pretty slow with his first step but it’s not anything that can’t get worked on. He showed some solid body control when being contested in the paint. Shot is very hit or miss. Plays very hard on both ends and defensively I was impressed with his ability to stay with smaller guards. He picked a couple pockets too IMO his potential is that of a good role player. If he improves his 3 pt shot to solid he’ll play in the league for a decade. With his defense he has a higher floor than what most people his age picked in the same spot have. He’s never going to be a primary scoring option though and frankly I wouldn’t expect him to be as a 2nd round pick The first slow step! Thanks for bringing that up. I had seen it too. Will he make the club or get a 2 way? |
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2023 19:59:51 GMT -5
He’s pretty slow with his first step but it’s not anything that can’t get worked on. He showed some solid body control when being contested in the paint. Shot is very hit or miss. Plays very hard on both ends and defensively I was impressed with his ability to stay with smaller guards. He picked a couple pockets too IMO his potential is that of a good role player. If he improves his 3 pt shot to solid he’ll play in the league for a decade. With his defense he has a higher floor than what most people his age picked in the same spot have. He’s never going to be a primary scoring option though and frankly I wouldn’t expect him to be as a 2nd round pick The first slow step! Thanks for bringing that up. I had seen it too. Will he make the club or get a 2 way? I believe they’ve already given him a regular contract |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2023 10:58:38 GMT -5
So basically the pick swap is bogus and won’t happen unless the wording is terrible in how they are describing it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 14, 2023 20:33:21 GMT -5
So basically the pick swap is bogus and won’t happen unless the wording is terrible in how they are describing it. Well unless you think in 2025 Dallas is worse than Detroit, Warriors or Washington. Anything possible, yet that just seem like a way to mess with fans. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 14, 2023 20:53:06 GMT -5
Kinda disappointing summer league so far. Davison is a guy you'd hope takes a big leap, yet kinda of the same guy. Polish center hasn't done much, guy from Hungary who looked great on tape hasn't even played. Scrubb has been good at scoring, yet where are the rebounds, assists, etc. Former Jazz center had a good night, after a not good game. I think this is fair overall, but to me it looks like we stole a first round talent in Walsh in the 2nd round (plus extra picks trading down). Even if that's all we get, it's a win IMO Maybe, I think that will take time to figure out. For example Scrubb was our best player, they put him on the 2nd string, why? I'm guessing to see what Walsh could do offensively. Walsh nothing really changed for me, he's got good upside. Scrubb was easily the best player and started filling up the stat sheet the more he played. At the same time he doesn't really fill a need either. The rest was rather bad and I thought some of the guys deserved 2 way contracts and even a chance to earn a regular contract in training camp. Now it's go sign a veteran or wait till cut down day. That might be harsh given its only summer league, just not impressed. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 14, 2023 22:41:50 GMT -5
nets are waiving Edmond Sumner, wouldn’t hate him at the minimum
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Post by cdj on Jul 15, 2023 18:38:38 GMT -5
Jay Scrubb gets a 2-way deal
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