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Celtics 2023 Offseason Thread
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Post by jmei on Jul 25, 2023 15:49:51 GMT -5
New TV money is capped at 10% yearly increases in cap levels. There won't be some huge spike like Warriors got to sign KD. It will be gradual at max 10% per year, so there won't be some massive shift in contracts in one year. It won't happen all in one year, but it will still happen. |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 25, 2023 17:24:44 GMT -5
It’s a very standard contract for a very good player You don’t make an All-NBA team by being merely “good” ftr. Plenty of good players in the league You can argue max vs Supermax until you’re blue in the face but with the contracts being handed out it was clear he was getting the Supermax. This locks him up through his prime and if it doesn’t work out we can always move him out and change the mix. We know that the floor for these guys should be the ECF. Ceiling remains to be seen. I think they have enough talent to win it, will just depend on luck and mindset. I’m not going to argue that he’s good and not very good. But you also cannot argue is that this is a standard contract. This is a nuckin futs contract for Jaylen Brown. I’ve heard the definition of a good NBA contract is whether you can you trade the player for value while paying him his salary. Boston can no longer do that with Jaylen. This is their bet. I don’t think it’s a good one. It was time to hedge and they doubled down. The floor for this team is not the ECF. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 25, 2023 17:53:48 GMT -5
It’s a very standard contract for a very good player You don’t make an All-NBA team by being merely “good” ftr. Plenty of good players in the league You can argue max vs Supermax until you’re blue in the face but with the contracts being handed out it was clear he was getting the Supermax. This locks him up through his prime and if it doesn’t work out we can always move him out and change the mix. We know that the floor for these guys should be the ECF. Ceiling remains to be seen. I think they have enough talent to win it, will just depend on luck and mindset. I’m not going to argue that he’s good and not very good. But you also cannot argue is that this is a standard contract. This is a nuckin futs contract for Jaylen Brown. I’ve heard the definition of a good NBA contract is whether you can you trade the player for value while paying him his salary. Boston can no longer do that with Jaylen. This is their bet. I don’t think it’s a good one. It was time to hedge and they doubled down. The floor for this team is not the ECF. It’ll be a standard contract in 2 years when everybody signs their new maxes and super maxes. You don’t like the guy and think he’s merely a good player, you’re wrong and we get it. This is business as usual in the nba. Bradley Beal was the highest paid player a couple years back. He’s only the highest until the next homegrown guys due for a Supermax And your argument that it’s not their floor is a pretty tough argument to make when they’ve made the ECF with these two every year that wasn’t completely poisoned by Kyrie, and now they’re entering their prime with a legitimate 3rd star in Porzingis. They would need significant injuries to happen to Tatum or a combo of injuries to happen to both Brown and Porzingis to not make it to the ECF imo. So yeah if Tatum is hurt badly then sure, the floor isn’t the ECF. We’ll have bigger things to worry about though |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 25, 2023 18:45:38 GMT -5
New TV money is capped at 10% yearly increases in cap levels. There won't be some huge spike like Warriors got to sign KD. It will be gradual at max 10% per year, so there won't be some massive shift in contracts in one year. It won't happen all in one year, but it will still happen. Last two years cap increases of 9.99% and 10.6%, as the cap went from 112 million to 123 million to 136 million. You have 8% raises in max level deals, so you only gain 2% a year. The cap increases won't do anything to fix the cap hell we're about to enter. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 25, 2023 19:22:19 GMT -5
Again guys, the choice here was to give him this contract or to rebuild.
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Post by buffs4444 on Jul 25, 2023 19:33:58 GMT -5
We all just need to reset expectations. With the new TV deal coming in 2025 (just one year into Brown's new deal), $60M AAV deals are going to be the new normal for star-level players. With all that’s going on in the world, the absurdity of $60m/yr sports contracts is just going to drive people away from the sport and away from sports in general. Which sucks. And it’s too bad. But the ‘new normal’ is appalling even for a fan of the team so I’ll spend my time and $$$ elsewhere. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 25, 2023 21:31:03 GMT -5
We all just need to reset expectations. With the new TV deal coming in 2025 (just one year into Brown's new deal), $60M AAV deals are going to be the new normal for star-level players. With all that’s going on in the world, the absurdity of $60m/yr sports contracts is just going to drive people away from the sport and away from sports in general. Which sucks. And it’s too bad. But the ‘new normal’ is appalling even for a fan of the team so I’ll spend my time and $$$ elsewhere. It won’t. You see what soccer players make and how many people watch? As a matter of fact they all make this money BECAUSE people tune in. If what you say turns out to be true then their salaries will proportionally drop Hell I would argue with all that’s going on in the world sports will remain popular because people need the distraction |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 27, 2023 15:32:59 GMT -5
We all just need to reset expectations. With the new TV deal coming in 2025 (just one year into Brown's new deal), $60M AAV deals are going to be the new normal for star-level players. With all that’s going on in the world, the absurdity of $60m/yr sports contracts is just going to drive people away from the sport and away from sports in general. Which sucks. And it’s too bad. But the ‘new normal’ is appalling even for a fan of the team so I’ll spend my time and $$$ elsewhere. The sport makes billions. The NBA is going to be ok. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 29, 2023 1:07:36 GMT -5
TyTy Washington is on the roster bubble in OKC and I would like him on the Celtics bench
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 5, 2023 9:51:20 GMT -5
JC was waived giving up two open roster spots.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Aug 6, 2023 13:32:41 GMT -5
We all just need to reset expectations. With the new TV deal coming in 2025 (just one year into Brown's new deal), $60M AAV deals are going to be the new normal for star-level players. With all that’s going on in the world, the absurdity of $60m/yr sports contracts is just going to drive people away from the sport and away from sports in general. Which sucks. And it’s too bad. But the ‘new normal’ is appalling even for a fan of the team so I’ll spend my time and $$$ elsewhere. People have been saying that since Jim Rice made a million, there was a whole sports illustrated issue about it, but it wasn't true then and isn't true today. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 6, 2023 13:47:40 GMT -5
With all that’s going on in the world, the absurdity of $60m/yr sports contracts is just going to drive people away from the sport and away from sports in general. Which sucks. And it’s too bad. But the ‘new normal’ is appalling even for a fan of the team so I’ll spend my time and $$$ elsewhere. , there was a whole sports illustrated issue about it, but it wasn't true then and isn't true today. Reporter: Hey, Babe Ruth, you get paid more than the President of the United States? Babe: I had a better year. |
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Post by philarhody on Aug 10, 2023 8:58:30 GMT -5
Kristaps missing Latvian National games due to a foot issue is terrible news, but not surprising.
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2023 21:17:18 GMT -5
JC was waived giving up two open roster spots. Heat signed him, that’s scary lol |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 12, 2023 7:36:51 GMT -5
JC was waived giving up two open roster spots. Heat signed him, that’s scary lol Max Strus 2.0 |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 12, 2023 11:18:35 GMT -5
Exhibit 10 contract, so basically a camp tryout and can be converted to two way contract. I wouldn't have had a problem with a two way deal, he's not currently even close to good enough for an actual roster spot. The minute Walsh out played him in SL and got a roster spot, he was likely gone.
What the Celtics need to do, is develop a system to develop players like the Heat do. With Strus it wasn't you let a great player go, he wasn't that on Bulls and he wasn't that his first year on Heat, who by the way both gave him two way deals. It's the development from first year to 2nd year with Heat, all that in one year. I then look at Davison, who is younger, but I wanted to see much more development than we saw in the SL. He has the tools and athletic ability to be an NBA player, he's still very raw even after a full year in G league.
Also as pointed out before, removing him helps make it easier to use that trade exception and they really should use it given how hard trades will be next year.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 12, 2023 13:19:31 GMT -5
Exhibit 10 contract, so basically a camp tryout and can be converted to two way contract. I wouldn't have had a problem with a two way deal, he's not currently even close to good enough for an actual roster spot. The minute Walsh out played him in SL and got a roster spot, he was likely gone. What the Celtics need to do, is develop a system to develop players like the Heat do. With Strus it wasn't you let a great player go, he wasn't that on Bulls and he wasn't that his first year on Heat, who by the way both gave him two way deals. It's the development from first year to 2nd year with Heat, all that in one year. I then look at Davison, who is younger, but I wanted to see much more development than we saw in the SL. He has the tools and athletic ability to be an NBA player, he's still very raw even after a full year in G league. Also as pointed out before, removing him helps make it easier to use that trade exception and they really should use it given how hard trades will be next year. You do realize that Strus, Robinson, and Vincent wouldn’t have seen the court with Boston, right? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 12, 2023 14:02:59 GMT -5
Exhibit 10 contract, so basically a camp tryout and can be converted to two way contract. I wouldn't have had a problem with a two way deal, he's not currently even close to good enough for an actual roster spot. The minute Walsh out played him in SL and got a roster spot, he was likely gone. What the Celtics need to do, is develop a system to develop players like the Heat do. With Strus it wasn't you let a great player go, he wasn't that on Bulls and he wasn't that his first year on Heat, who by the way both gave him two way deals. It's the development from first year to 2nd year with Heat, all that in one year. I then look at Davison, who is younger, but I wanted to see much more development than we saw in the SL. He has the tools and athletic ability to be an NBA player, he's still very raw even after a full year in G league. Also as pointed out before, removing him helps make it easier to use that trade exception and they really should use it given how hard trades will be next year. You do realize that Strus, Robinson, and Vincent wouldn’t have seen the court with Boston, right? Hauser just played 1290 minutes, yet overall yeah you're right. It's not about the past, it's about the future with new CBA. |
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Aug 14, 2023 10:34:46 GMT -5
LMAO at the circus in Philly going on right now
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 14, 2023 15:30:09 GMT -5
What did Harden think when he opted in? That the Sixers would just trade him for whatever to the team or teams he wanted to go? He knows exactly what happened with Simmons, that GM wasn't going to just give him away to make him happy. After the Celtics series who's trading a ton for him?
It's like Lillard demanding a trade and his Agent telling all other teams don't bother he's going to the Heat. Which the NBA had to warn the Agent that's not allowed.
Harden should have opted out, but he wanted the money. Lillard has earned the right to ask for a trade, it just can't be one team! Especially when said team is using that to low ball the offers.
Trade Harden for Lillard, there you go, problem solved lol. It's a joke before anyone thinks otherwise.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 14, 2023 15:58:18 GMT -5
On the bright side, f*ck the 76ers.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 14, 2023 17:03:24 GMT -5
Well Sixers have messed up everything since like 2019, outside of drafting Maxey. At this point I'm surprised Embiid hasn't asked for a trade.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 15, 2023 17:33:34 GMT -5
The Porzingod is injured, this franchise is cursed.
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Aug 15, 2023 18:18:51 GMT -5
The Porzingod is injured, this franchise is cursed. Not seeing anything indicating he will miss any regular season time, if anything I’m happy that he will be missing out on any wear and tear from playing the World Cup. I wouldn’t stress too much about this, at least not yet |
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Post by philarhody on Aug 15, 2023 20:11:54 GMT -5
The Porzingod is injured, this franchise is cursed. Not seeing anything indicating he will miss any regular season time, if anything I’m happy that he will be missing out on any wear and tear from playing the World Cup. I wouldn’t stress too much about this, at least not yet It’s bad. Plantar Faciitis for a 7’3 guy is crappy news. As I wrote a week ago, this is horrible news, but not surprising. No one should be stressed about Porzingis being injured because he has always been injured. In fact 3 of your top 7 are now chronically injured when it matters most. It’s going to be put up or shut up time for Jayson and Jaylen. This will no longer be the most talented team in the playoffs Ala 2022 and 2023. |
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