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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 8, 2024 14:17:27 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Jun 8, 2024 14:31:21 GMT -5
He put on a show today. Certainly wouldn’t be mad if he was the pick
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 8, 2024 14:47:39 GMT -5
I’d just like to say I’m thinking about writing my early big board tonight and I was already really high on him before this so nobody go calling me prisoner of the moment!!
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 8, 2024 14:49:05 GMT -5
So it seems Braden Montgomery may have broken his leg on a play at the plate against Oregon. Had to be helped off the field while wearing some sort of cast. Yep, I’m sitting right behind the A&M on deck circle and they called for the air cast immediately, one of those things where you know right away. Pretty sad stuff. If they have a replay of that whole sequence, go look at how dumb the call was to send him in the first place.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 8, 2024 15:11:47 GMT -5
Tough break for Braden Montgomery.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 8, 2024 15:23:37 GMT -5
Warning that the last replay at the end is a little gross
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Post by jaffinator on Jun 8, 2024 15:43:16 GMT -5
Kid's a hitter. I get what people are saying about position, but I couldn't blame the Sox if they just really, really liked the bat and figured they'll find a position for him later. He is going to K a good amount. If you want to draft a positionless bat, Tibbs or White seem like safer bets in terms of hit tool. But if you feel confident about Moore’s glove at 2B, that’s still a better defensive outlook than those other two. I like Tibbs plenty too, but they're similar players and it would seem like the choice between them comes down to signing money and/or personal preferences. They both hit the bejeezus out of the ball, but I think Moore hits it a hair harder. Moore strikes out more but I think part of that is the college baseball star thing of a guy who's better than they're level gambling on a few fastballs out of the zone. Moore plays in a harder conference and has shown it against some pretty good secondary stuff, but this season has been a really good one for the ACC and Tibbs has really shown some impressive improvement this year. I think I have a mild preference for Tibbs just cause I think he's more likely to be an average right fielder than Moore is to be an average second baseman, but honestly I have no idea. It's just fun to talk about and I didn't watch very much ACC this year, especially before late in the season.
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Post by nonothing on Jun 8, 2024 16:25:52 GMT -5
Warning that the last replay at the end is a little gross This is the kind of thing that is just so sad. Kid works so hard, and coach means the best he can, but just a very sad outcome.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 8, 2024 17:05:54 GMT -5
I’m not going to get into specifics but I heard from some people in the program that basically the worst case is confirmed (maybe that’s been reported by now, it was too hot to post when I got the text a couple hours ago). No idea the timeline but just a terrible break for a great human. The season ticket holders in front of us were chatting with him before that first inning and he was all smiles, he’s one of the best kids we’ve had here.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 8, 2024 21:05:08 GMT -5
Given where we’re at in the college season I don’t think I’m going to be moving too much on many prospects in this class. And given that my schedule is pretty hectic and I’ll be on vacation all draft week, I figured I may as well throw out my loose “draft board” for the year. I’m obviously no scout, but I do like putting my thoughts down for posterity (last year’s board here: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/6438/2023-mlb-draft?page=30). College guys are almost always guys I’ve watched live, if not watched a decent amount of, whereas high school guys are profiles I gravitate towards. To reiterate something from last year – I really value floor in the first round, and I’ve explained this in more depth before, but the Cliffnotes version is that the MLB Draft is such a crapshoot that I think getting a guy that can simply play at the major league level is a huge win, and typically going floor allows for savings to allocate for ceiling plays later on. With that said, my tiers: Almost certainly will not fall, but a guy can dream (for what it’s worth Teel topped this tier last year): 1. JJ Wetherholt, MIF, West Virginia – I doubt he falls for sure, but he seems to be settling in near the bottom of that top tier of college bats, so who knows if things get wonky with high school risers or slot cutting deals. Given the position questions and the injury taking some of his year, it wouldn’t be the most surprising thing in the world. That being said, I don’t care what position he plays, because the guy is simply going to hit. 2. Hagen Smith, LHP, Arkansas – Again I can’t see him falling, but pitching is weird. I don’t really think there’s a whole lot that needs to be said here, as it only takes an inning or so of watching him to realize just how premier the stuff is. College players that represent a good mix of ceiling and floor: 1. Braden Montgomery, OF, Texas A&M – He was originally going to be #2 in the above tier, but with the injury, who knows. Injury aside, I think the upside would still make this a fantastic pick at this spot, and I still expect him to go top 10 when it’s all said and done. The athleticism and the power potential, especially with his bat speed when that’s a metric that’s entering the mainstream, will be too enticing. I do think he’s more or less locked into a corner outfield spot, though. 2. Trey Yesavage, RHP, East Carolina – When I saw him pitch last year in Charlottesville, I was extremely impressed and fully expected his development into one of the best pitchers in college baseball, though I ultimately was on record as saying I thought he fit the mold of a late first round limited projection type. With the slight uptick in velocity and development of his splitter, though, I think he’d be a great pick at this spot. I still do think the lack of projection limits his upside, but I feel very good about him being a major league starter and think he could be a solid No. 3. 3. James Tibbs, OF, Florida State – He may very well be a left fielder, but I just feel so confident that this dude will rake that I don’t want to be the team to miss out on it if all of the above options gone. His swing is everything I love, compact with controlled violence. I also love that we’re talking about an elite corner outfield bat with a great approach – more walks than strikeouts is so 2007, he almost has more home runs than strikeouts. I feel like he’d be a decent amount under slot, and I think given how the draft is likely to shake out this is whole I’ll be calling for when the pick rolls around. 4. Vance Honeycutt, OF, North Carolina – I can’t quit this dude! Actually I was waffling about where I stood on him after my post yesterday about how I may be out on him, and that’s what inspired me to write this. I’m firmly in. I get that the swing and the miss stuff is a very, very real concern but he does everything else SO well. I have the UNC-WVU game on right now and in this one game alone he’s homered, had the WVU coach call him the fastest man in the world during his in-game interview (3.63 home to first), and hose a kid at first for a double play. In 5 innings!! I believe in aura, and I think he has it. I also think that he can fail to fully fix the swing and still be a full time player with how good the defense should be. Also wow he just took one of the worst swings I’ve ever seen… oh well, in for a penny in for a pound. 5. Jurrangelo Cijntje, Pitcher, Mississippi State – Aura!! This is partly motivated by me simply wanting to see how his development arc goes, but I both think the switch pitching thing can work long-term in strategic spurts while also thinking he’s good enough to have intriguing traits as a righty alone. I see two legitimate plus pitches from the right hand side and just enough control to think that he can start. I’m not going to pound the table for him to be the pick here no matter what, but I think me saying that I’d prefer him to Brecht might be a hot take. Slot neutral or overslot high schoolers (won’t have much to say on them, it’s all pretty straightforward and not a ton of hot takes here): 1. Bryce Rainier, SS, Harvard-Westlake HS (CA) – Texas commit 2. Cam Caminiti, LHP, Saguaro HS (AZ) – LSU commit 3. Konnor Griffin, SS, Jackson Prep (MS) – LSU commit College guys who’d represent real “cut a deal” type savings: 1. Carson Benge, OF, Oklahoma State – I like that he’s good at a little bit of everything, without a ton of obvious holes in his game. I feel like he’s a lesser version of Tibbs, in that you know you’re going to get a good hitter, just falling quite short of him in terms of how loud the offensive tools are. This might also be too close to his actual range for it to be a true cutting of a deal, but I think there are enough college players in a tier above him to where it counts. 2. Ryan Johnson, RHP, Dallas Baptist – I would be terrified every time he stepped onto the mound that he’d get hurt, because his delivery is so wackadoodle and violent. But man, multiple plus pitches with control? I am comfortable knowing that the risk could send him to a bullpen role. 3. Christian Moore, 2B, Tennessee – He’s been discussed a decent amount on this board already recently so I will just point out that the type of track record he has in the SEC is not very common, and I’m more willing to look at what the guy can do in this case as opposed to what we THINK he may not be able to do. 4. Jonathan Santucci, LHP, Duke – I’m still willing to buy into the fact that his development has been hampered by his injuries, and I am interested enough in the pitch mix and the fastball traits from the left side. Mikey Romero “++ slot savings” high schoolers: 1. Levi Sterling, RHP, Notre Dame HS (CA) – Texas commit 2. Dasan Hill, LHP, Grapevine HS (TX) – Dallas Baptist commit 3. JD Dix, SS, Whitefish Bay (WI) – Wake Forest commit Guys in that range I’m more or less out on (ranking here is by how “okay with it” I’d be should he be the pick): 1. Cam Smith, 3B, Florida State – In theory he should fit everything I like (good hit tool, good defense, production at a high level of competition), but there’s a weird thing with his swing path that bothers me and gives me pause long-term. Still, that’s a pretty niche thing, so that’s why he’s at the top of this list. 2. Seaver King, OF (?), Wake Forest – I really just don’t like the approach here and think that those concerns plus his size will make it difficult for him to impact the ball at the next level. 3. Dakota Jordan, OF, Mississippi State – Wayyyy too much swing and miss in the profile to where I’m a little shocked he’s considered a first round prospect.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 8, 2024 21:05:45 GMT -5
Bonus round!
Other top 200 prospects (per MLB.com’s list) that I’m lower on in general:
- Malcolm Moore, C, Stanford
- Kellon Lindsey, SS, Hardee HS (FL) – Florida commit
- Josh Hartle, LHP, Wake Forest – unless there was some hidden injury stuff, extremely concerning for him to have taken the step back that he did.
- Carter Holton, LHP, Vanderbilt – I like the stuff, but not to the extent that his ranking indicates.
- Peyton Stovall, 2B (?), Arkansas – Think Enmanuel Valdez
- Jalin Flores, SS, Texas
- Cody Schrier, SS, UCLA
- Jonathan Vastine, SS, Vanderbilt
Guys in the top 200 or just guys that I’ve seen that I am a personal fan of and would want the Sox to draft:
- Jared Thomas, OF, Texas
- Ryan Prager, LHP, Texas A&M
- Chris Cortez, RHP, Texas A&M – he was electric again today, I really want this kid.
- Drew Beam, RHP, Tennessee
- Ethan Anderson, C, Virginia – All depends on if that “C” ends up holding true or not.
- John Spikerman, OF, Oklahoma – Another guy I really, really like.
- Duce Gourson, 2B, UCLA
- Brady Tygart, RHP, Arkansas
- Jacob Jenkins-Cowart, OF, East Carolina
- Justin Wilcoxen, C, East Carolina (senior sign)
- Ted Burton, 1B, Texas A&M (senior sign if he can go back to playing 2B as he did some pre-injury stuff)
- Jackson Appel, C, Texas A&M – a senior but not someone I like just as a senior sign.
- Ty Evans, OF, Florida
- Kyle DeBarge, SS, Louisiana
- JP Langevin, RHP, Louisiana
- Gavin Casas, 1B, South Carolina – For the vibes and the Triston extension
- Lebarron Johnson, RHP, Texas
- Austin Overn, OF, USC
- Lyle Miller-Green, OF, Austin Peay (senior sign)
- David Mershon, IF, Mississippi State (I think he’s eligible?)
- Connor Hujsak, OF, Mississippi State (senior sign)
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Post by jimoh on Jun 9, 2024 6:52:52 GMT -5
UNC advances to World Series as Vance Honeycutt hits home runs on consecutive pitches in two games, the first to walk off the win Friday, the second to lead off the game Saturday. Also played very well in the field. One story mentions him him going home to first in 3.63. Would be sweet if someone is enamored enough with his tools to take him in the top 11.
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Post by nonothing on Jun 9, 2024 8:29:09 GMT -5
Fair - I meant (but didn't correctly write) that he had proved he could hit enough in pro baseball to get to the show, but I was really comparing the butcher D botching routine plays. Valdez isn't a LT fit in bigs if he can't make routine plays. In fairness, Moore could play OF. He is of avg speed. So there may be another route. I would draft him only if I thought he could be a good OF. I would assume he isn't good enough as an infield defender to play 2B, so would just evaluate his propects in the grass + at the plate. Why are you just assuming he isn’t a good enough infield defender to play second? That makes no sense. If you’ve watched him a lot there and you don’t think he’s good then that ones thing but that clearly doesn’t seem to be the case so it’s ridiculous that you’d just make that assumption. A number of writeups suggest his glove is not an asset, and the error on routine play against Evansville was an example of that. But no -- I have not seen enough of him to be certain. Here's what to love -- Christian Moore has great confidence going the other way and the power to hit opposite field shots with ease in college, and he's got a big league ready body today. The opposite field ability is no joke, and I think it's worth a lot. But -- for me -- I value SS quality defense, or close, at 2B because it makes your pitching staff better. Look at CLE and MIL -- are they able to consistently develop pitchers just because the pitching development is great -- or is it also because they play guys like Gimenez and Turang at 2B? So I don't gather that a guy who has been said by others to not always be sound on routine plays is especially likely to be a good fit for 2B generally in MLB, and especially for the Sox. Grissom is a guy who was just not good enough for SS in ATL, but you can see the Sox went to get somebody with D they valued for 2B along with a great hitting track record in the minors. Casas (assuming he doesn't get traded) is a hulking guy who doesn't successfully cover a lot of ground at 1B. With no shift, the Sox have to prioritize D at 2B or they will be leaving their pitchers in for too long each inning. Just like they improve dramatically with Story next to Devers. Moore isn't too slow for OF, so I think he has the bat to consider for OF. Why not evaluate him that way if in the end, you need to prioritize D at 2B, and you think there is a reasonable probability that he doesn't fit that need at 2B? Why draft in Round 1 for the possibility he could become a great 2 way player at a position it isn't so clear he can hit the bar for in MLB? Maybe others think we can run hitters with avg or below fielding out at 2B and win championships as long as the guy can hit. I don't believe that. So to me, can he play OF? On the flip side, I would earnestly ask if anyone who has seen him play enough to judge thinks he can play a high quality 2B? If so, then evaluate him for 2B and OF. That's fine. I can be wrong. But I wouldn't use my 1st Round pick on a 2B. They can be found elsewhere. So since people are talking first round here -- I would evaluate for OF. If he can play 2B well, I would consider in Round 3 -- but he won't be there then. I also think for most teams, Round 1 is for prioritizing high ceiling players, not high floor players. I would rather alternate all stars and busts in Round 1 then just look for a guy who can make it (not calling Moore that, but you expressed a high floor philosophy for Round 1, and I see it exactly the opposite). If a team is a championship contender with a solid system and wants a high probability guy who isn't a great two way player or pitcher -- that could fit. But in Round 1, I want ceiling of #3 or higher starting pitcher or high ceiling 2-way position player (high ceiling on both on D and O) -- or a 40+ HR potential with acceptable D at infield corner. That's my logic. It doesn't have to be agreed to by others.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 9, 2024 18:52:36 GMT -5
He’s on fire.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 9, 2024 21:50:28 GMT -5
And he added another one.
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Post by nonothing on Jun 9, 2024 22:06:02 GMT -5
Kid does have a hell of a bat to all fields
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 9, 2024 22:59:10 GMT -5
And he added another one. That ball was damn near at his chin haha
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Post by nonothing on Jun 10, 2024 1:47:56 GMT -5
And he added another one. That ball was damn near at his chin haha That's actually what made me think harder. On the one hand, the guy can hit bad pitches, including high pitches, out. On the other hand, he knows he is above the level of pitching and can ambush pitching. Does he have a good approach that will translate against better pitching?
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 10, 2024 8:35:54 GMT -5
Speaking as an expert with several certifications in both medicine and baseball drafting, the first 11 teams should definitely take Braden Montgomery off of their board. So if you're reading this post, scouting directors for the teams with the top 11 picks, definitely do not draft him. Free advice.
For real though, I don't want to diminish how much the injury sucks for him and the A&M team. Terrible and really painful looking, but I can't imagine it's the sort of thing that would make teams leery of picking him.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 10, 2024 8:39:50 GMT -5
That ball was damn near at his chin haha That's actually what made me think harder. On the one hand, the guy can hit bad pitches, including high pitches, out. On the other hand, he knows he is above the level of pitching and can ambush pitching. Does he have a good approach that will translate against better pitching? Not a big comp guy, but anyone seeing a lot of Justin Upton in that swing?
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Post by teddyballgame9 on Jun 10, 2024 13:36:07 GMT -5
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Post by jaffinator on Jun 10, 2024 18:18:03 GMT -5
So I didn't watch as much college baseball this season as previous ones, but I've watched quite a bit of Tennessee baseball since their wacky 2022 season (not a fan, but they're a comparatively interesting team to watch those past three years). Defensively, there aren't athletic reasons why Christian Moore couldn't play second base, but never have I watched him and thought his actions in the infield looked particularly smooth if that makes sense. I would almost compare scouting him defensively to the inverse of how Marcelo Mayer was kind of described defensively?
On the high fastball front - to my eye Moore has borderline elite bat speed. And he knows it against inferior pitching, cause he loves to try and ambush a fastball that might be hittable for him but isn't quite in the zone. You could look at it two different ways - either that's a weakness higher level pitchers can exploit, or it's a relatively small tweak for him to make at the next level that could cut down on his k numbers (which are a little high).
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 13, 2024 18:01:13 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 14, 2024 0:48:14 GMT -5
I wrote what literally may have been 2000 words on my thoughts from the College Station regional, and when I hit post, it gave me an error message, and it was all gone... That is crushing. No chance I'm going to do that again, but if there's a player from Grambling, Texas, Louisiana, or Texas A&M that anyone is ever curious about, they can feel free to ask and I'll share my thoughts individually (I’ll also gladly expand on any of the players I mention below). I don't have the energy to write up 25 or so players again... A couple highlights: - Kyle DeBarge is very Pedey-esque (in a general sense, not going to set those expectations specifically) and would be a really fun pick in like the fourth. - Braden Montgomery is every bit the top 10 pick he's billed to be and would have a top 5 outfield arm from day one. Should he fall by some miracle, I will throw a table over for him to be the pick. - I will pound the table for Ryan Prager the same way I did for Connelly Early last year (tons of good starter qualities, just needs some more fastball velo - dude threw an immaculate inning!!) - Kimble Schuessler is a real sleeper for me in this draft if he can catch at all (TBD). - Chris Cortez is a guy I will be way higher on than anyone, and wouldn't hate him under slot in the second round (100 mph with good IVB, a truly unhittable slider when he's on, but terrible control and lack of a true third pitch the obvious risks.). The highs are so high that they are worth that level of investment to me. Quick tip: type it into a word doc or txt file first, then copy/paste into the site. We want to read those words!
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Post by bentossaurus on Jun 14, 2024 5:24:52 GMT -5
Something I learned from working on a dodgy desktop for years: after typing a long or important text, do a Ctrl+C before hitting send.
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