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Post by teddyballgame9 on Jun 17, 2024 19:00:28 GMT -5
If we are looking under slot does Theo Gillen make sense? Seems his only knock is having a weak arm from Labrum surgery.
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Post by ogshortstufff on Jun 17, 2024 20:13:10 GMT -5
The Honeycutt - Fabian comp is also a little off just in terms of how much better of a fielder Honeycutt is than Fabian. Fabian was a potential above average to maybe plus fielder I felt like - but Honeycutt is a potential plus-plus guy in CF (or nearly). In terms of college CF fielding I'd almost compare him to Enrique Bradfield Jr. last season though Bradfield was a probably a half grade better or so (in my inexact, untrained opinion). Also, far be it from me to encourage the runaway hate train that Keith Law sometimes gets on this board (as it is more than occasionally undeserved), but I gotta roll my eyes at someone who says that last year was the best and this year is the worst maybe needs to chill out on the superlatives just a tad bit. Yeah I don't entirely understand the critique of this year's draft. The prep crop is a definite weakness, but there are a lot of interesting profiles there once you get to the middle of the first. It also feels like most of the top 12 college guys will be future MLB contributers/regulars, though there's nobody with the ceiling of the guys in last year's top 10. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 17, 2024 20:30:15 GMT -5
There will be big leaguers find the big leaguers.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 18, 2024 8:46:28 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Jun 18, 2024 9:09:54 GMT -5
Figured as much but good to hear this from Breslow. BPA |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 18, 2024 9:17:05 GMT -5
In what world, especially in MLB where players typically 3-5 years to make the big leagues, would you not want to draft the best player (the team's evaluators) that's available?
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Post by jimoh on Jun 18, 2024 9:23:37 GMT -5
Figured as much but good to hear this from Breslow. BPA Although “that can be a factor” even if “tough” to do, is more than some would admit about drafting for system-wide broadly defined positional need. That paragraph would be consistent with drafting a lot of pitchers in rounds 3-10, as long as they are very very to as good as the position player, but also with saying nope, 7 or 8 times in the first ten rounds the hitter was better. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 18, 2024 9:46:35 GMT -5
In what world, especially in MLB where players typically 3-5 years to make the big leagues, would you not want to draft the best player (the team's evaluators) that's available? Gun to my head, I'd guess they'd love it if they could pick a pitcher at 12. I don't think they're going to force it, but I think they're going to be mindful of trying to find a way to add impact arms. At some point, there are only so many SS innings to go around... |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 18, 2024 11:36:50 GMT -5
In what world, especially in MLB where players typically 3-5 years to make the big leagues, would you not want to draft the best player (the team's evaluators) that's available? Gun to my head, I'd guess they'd love it if they could pick a pitcher at 12. I don't think they're going to force it, but I think they're going to be mindful of trying to find a way to add impact arms. At some point, there are only so many SS innings to go around... No doubt. I think if evaluations are close they'd lean pitching in certain circumstances, like 1st round this year. Curious to see how Breslow and company evaluate this year's pitching. And obviously, signing bonus demands play some factor. |
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Post by incandenza on Jun 18, 2024 12:06:21 GMT -5
24 picks 12 with positive WAR 7 with 5+ WAR 4 with 10+ WAR
Position players picked at #12:
35 picks (30 through 2018) 14 with positive WAR 9 with 5+ WAR 8 with 10+ WAR
All 10+ WAR picks:
Nomar Garciaparra (44.3) Kirk Gibson (38.4) Jered Weaver (34.6) Billy Wagner (27.7) Delino Deshields (24.4) Matt Morris (20.4) Jay Bruce (19.9) Yasmani Grandal (19.3) Brett Myers (14.6) Adam Everett (12.6) Doug Glanville (10.9) Oddibe McDowell (10.6)
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Post by teddyballgame9 on Jun 18, 2024 14:05:25 GMT -5
Ultimately adding the best players regardless of position, frees you to trade redundant players in the mid levels of the minors for pitching or whatever the need may be.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jun 18, 2024 22:22:15 GMT -5
In what world, especially in MLB where players typically 3-5 years to make the big leagues, would you not want to draft the best player (the team's evaluators) that's available? Gun to my head, I'd guess they'd love it if they could pick a pitcher at 12. I don't think they're going to force it, but I think they're going to be mindful of trying to find a way to add impact arms. At some point, there are only so many SS innings to go around... I think their draft board will find a way to value pitching more than past years |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 19, 2024 8:45:50 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Jun 19, 2024 9:06:44 GMT -5
All for this! I think Yesavage, Tibbs, Griffin, and Rainer are my favorites in our range (obviously any fallers would be great too). What’s everyone’s Tommy White take? Power/EV and contact rate darling, but no sure defensive home and he chases a lot. I personally do think he has a potentially special bat, but if he can’t stick at 3B or in LF that will obviously put a lot of pressure on his bat. I would think he’d go underslot at 12 too. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 19, 2024 10:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 19, 2024 12:05:19 GMT -5
I think someone falls to the Sox again. Griffin or Rainer (who I know are lesser "falls" given they're outside of the top 8 or so), maybe Montgomery, maybe another surprise like Teel. Whoever that is I think they take.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 19, 2024 12:15:31 GMT -5
That McDaniel scenario would be fairly interesting, I like Thomas as a sum of the parts kind of guy, but I wonder if he’d be closer to slot than you’d guess or even over it.
Cole Mathis would be fairly interesting, tore up the cape last summer and has good surface level approach numbers, though you have to wonder about the level of competition. I would like to see them get a legit first basemen in the lower minors at some point in the draft given some of the guys they’ve had to roll out there lately. But barring a big underslot deal I’m not sure 50 is the spot for it.
Also, while I get you don’t draft for need, the Malcolm Moore connection makes no sense to me. Going college catcher a year after going college catcher just seems unnecessary to me. And the bat is solid with Moore, I remember liking it when I watched him in the postseason last year, but he doesn’t strike me as an outfield athlete and if you’re just drafting him for the bat I think there are better bats available. Would be an odd use of resources in my opinion.
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Post by nomar on Jun 19, 2024 12:20:56 GMT -5
If Kurtz fell and they took Moore over him I’d be pretty bummed
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 19, 2024 12:36:15 GMT -5
For what it’s worth (not much), I will be at Game 1 of the CWS on Saturday. If A&M can stop all of its best players from getting hurt and advance, I’ll be at all two or three games in all likelihood,
But the exciting part is that, barring a collapse by Tennessee, y’all are gonna get some intricate second base defense reports!
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Post by jaffinator on Jun 19, 2024 12:51:29 GMT -5
All for this! I think Yesavage, Tibbs, Griffin, and Rainer are my favorites in our range (obviously any fallers would be great too). What’s everyone’s Tommy White take? Power/EV and contact rate darling, but no sure defensive home and he chases a lot. I personally do think he has a potentially special bat, but if he can’t stick at 3B or in LF that will obviously put a lot of pressure on his bat. I would think he’d go underslot at 12 too. Tommy White is one of the most extreme and obvious examples of a college hitter who swings at pitches he knows are balls, especially early in the count, because he knows he's a good enough hitter in college that those are some of his best chances to do damage. He doesn't really swing and miss and rarely strikes out. The defensive home is a massive concern though, and given how razor thin his development margin of error is gonna be to be a productive big leaguer, I don't see it unless he takes a massive (figurative) haircut (I like the flow). |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 19, 2024 12:57:19 GMT -5
Does everyone want Braden Montgomery if his injury is a medium worst case scenario - complicated recovery, ligament damage, not ready for ST?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 19, 2024 12:59:15 GMT -5
Does everyone want Braden Montgomery if his injury is a medium worst case scenario - complicated recovery, ligament damage, not ready for ST? FWIW I’ve heard it was a pretty clean injury as far as injuries go |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 19, 2024 15:02:43 GMT -5
Montgomery is an slam dunk pick if the doctors clears his medicals.
My only issue with Tommy White is that I think he ends up at 1st base and R/R 1B have a horrible track record in the 1st round. I’d rather they go in a different direction and let other teams have that.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 19, 2024 15:05:16 GMT -5
Montgomery is an slam dunk pick if the doctors clears his medicals. My only issue with Tommy White is that I think he ends up at 1st base and R/R 1B have a horrible track record in the 1st round. I’d rather they go in a different direction and let other teams have that. Is there a particular reason that R/R 1B would have worse track records as first round picks than L/L? I'm sure I'm just overthinking something but that seems noisy to me. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 19, 2024 15:23:19 GMT -5
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