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Post by puzzler on Jul 11, 2024 23:09:17 GMT -5
at the very least, when they do become bonified MLB players - Okay, I try very hard not to be the grammar police, but this one had me chuckling like a 12-year-old. I think you're looking for "bona fide" from the Latin for "in good faith", which is generally used colloquially as something along the lines of the real deal, like the antonym for fraudulent. The spelling you used I would take to mean something else. For example, Rafael Palmeiro insisted to Congress that he was the former, and insisted during the commercial breaks that he was the latter. Not my greatest moment lol. Yes, I meant bona fide. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 11, 2024 23:14:24 GMT -5
Brody Brecht came to mind too are we in for a main stream consensus surprise. Other pitchers that could fit the bill lower down the board in no particular order:
Ben Hess
Chris Cortez
Drew Beam
Jaxon Wiggins
Joey Aokie
Ryan Johnson
Also kind of funny he quotes Bannister who used to be with the Red Sox when people believe they have neglected pitching development for decades.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 11, 2024 23:21:56 GMT -5
I dunno if I would read too much into that Willard quote. He is talking from the perspective of developing players and getting them to buy into trying to get max Stuff+ on every pitch. I don't think it says a lot about which 4th round pick that looks nothing like Paul Skenes they think is a good bet to be able to make massive improvements and make it.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 11, 2024 23:35:28 GMT -5
I dunno if I would read too much into that Willard quote. He is talking from the perspective of developing players and getting them to buy into trying to get max Stuff+ on every pitch. I don't think it says a lot about which 4th round pick that looks nothing like Paul Skenes they think is a good bet to be able to make massive improvements and make it. I disagree, I think there has been a lot of issue taken with how low the upside has been on most of the arm talent hey have drafted recently. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 11, 2024 23:46:06 GMT -5
But maybe a high upside guy is someone with some good physical traits, low hanging fruit to improve mechanically (I think they believe their edge on the league is in this area, and if so I would not expect them to ever talk about it), but not monster current velo.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jul 12, 2024 6:18:53 GMT -5
But maybe a high upside guy is someone with some good physical traits, low hanging fruit to improve mechanically ( I think they believe their edge on the league is in this area, and if so I would not expect them to ever talk about it), but not monster current velo. Why do you think that? |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2024 6:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Jul 12, 2024 6:39:49 GMT -5
Keith Law ($) yesterday mocked Konnor Griffin to us (with Yesavage being the guy who leaps into the top 10 to let Griffin fall, plus Caminiti at 11), but then says if he's gone it would be college: Moore, Waldschmidt, or Yesavage.
p.s.: Law also had a chat yesterday and said nothing really relevant to our draft.
Did agree that Kristian Campbell is now a "guy."
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 12, 2024 7:49:12 GMT -5
I would really love one of Griffin or Rainer falling to us.
Despite his parents choice of first name I really wouldn't hate Yesavage either.
After the first round I'd love to see the Sox take a chance on some young pitching. I know the odds are against a high school pitcher who isn't commanding a million dollars plus (odds are against them too) but I like to dream.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 12, 2024 7:55:12 GMT -5
Despite his parents choice of first name I really wouldn't hate Yesavage either. The other Trey drafted by the Red Sox in the first round was actually named Ronald, so I think we're safe here. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 12, 2024 8:05:50 GMT -5
Funny that Christian Moore is the most mocked player to the Red Sox and imo is probably the profile of position player they're least likely to select there.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 12, 2024 8:26:59 GMT -5
Funny that Christian Moore is the most mocked player to the Red Sox and imo is probably the profile of position player they're least likely to select there. And so Moore is not listed among the eight people Mike Andrews lists in his draft profile as potential Sox first picks. I'm warming up to the three prep pitchers Mike lists: Caminiti, and RHPs William Schmidt and Ryan Sloane. For two or three of them you could offer mid-first-round money. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2024 8:27:49 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Jul 12, 2024 8:35:59 GMT -5
Funny that Christian Moore is the most mocked player to the Red Sox and imo is probably the profile of position player they're least likely to select there. And so Moore is not listed among the eight people Mike Andrews lists in his draft profile as potential Sox first picks. I'm warming up to the three prep pitchers Mike lists: Caminiti, and RHPs William Schmidt and Ryan Sloane. For two or three of them you could offer mid-first-round money. High school pitchers? Nooooooooo!
I see that in the 2023 draft preview Mike Andrews didn't even mention Kyle Teel - presumably because no one thought he would fall to #14. I wonder if history will repeat itself; the odds are probably pretty good that at least one of the top 10 guys will still be available at #12.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 12, 2024 10:04:30 GMT -5
Funny that Christian Moore is the most mocked player to the Red Sox and imo is probably the profile of position player they're least likely to select there. I’m not quite sure I agree about the likelihood of the profile part (mostly because I’m not entirely sure what you mean) but I do agree that the more Christian Moore I see, the less I think he’s the pick. |
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Post by bettsonmookie on Jul 12, 2024 11:23:28 GMT -5
Assuming they take someone they deem BPA, whether it be a Yesavage, Griffin, Moore, etc. — where do they likely slot in to current system ranks? (I.e. not going under slot w/ the pick, in which case they obviously rank lower)
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 12, 2024 11:38:14 GMT -5
Nobody drafts with an eye toward rolling it into the next draft.
But, this might be the draft to take a chance on a kid like Griffin. It's a weak class, so go for the BPA, and on the downside, if he doesn't sign, they get #13 next year and a bit more bonus money for later picks that otherwise would be allocated to Griffin's overslot this year.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 12, 2024 12:21:57 GMT -5
I think the Christian Moore-Red Sox link is being made because he might fit the Red Sox batted ball data profile. The odds are definitely stacked against him now that so many have mocked him there.
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Post by markm7 on Jul 12, 2024 12:40:51 GMT -5
I don’t under the Christian Moore talk. We have 50 2nd base prospects in AAA and MLB alone. Im not even talking about a pitcher they don’t need another guy when there’s going to be OFs with higher upside that will be available
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Post by bettsonmookie on Jul 12, 2024 12:45:20 GMT -5
I don’t under the Christian Moore talk. We have 50 2nd base prospects in AAA and MLB alone. Im not even talking about a pitcher they don’t need another guy when there’s going to be OFs with higher upside that will be available Interestingly, Mike Andrews did not include Moore in his draft preview. Not sure if it’s a “read between the lines” situation or if I am overthinking it, but I found it to be an interesting omission, particularly with most of the league wide draft analysts projecting Moore @ 12 in recent mocks. |
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Post by thelpc on Jul 12, 2024 14:41:22 GMT -5
Personally, I think I’d greatly prefer Cam Smith to Christian Moore if we’re going with a college bat
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Post by bcsox on Jul 12, 2024 15:46:19 GMT -5
High school kids from Mississippi have a brutal track record. Anyone care about this with regard to Griffin?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 12, 2024 16:11:31 GMT -5
High school kids from Mississippi have a brutal track record. Anyone care about this with regard to Griffin? Unless someone can think of a reason this would be the case, no. I can’t imagine the level of competition is worse than, say, New Jersey where Mike Trout is from, just as one random anecdotal example. Also, a guy like Braden Montgomery is from Mississippi. Would he not have developed in the minors? Just feels like random noise to me. |
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Post by keninten on Jul 12, 2024 17:04:56 GMT -5
High school kids from Mississippi have a brutal track record. Anyone care about this with regard to Griffin? George Scott and Ellis Burks are from MS. |
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Post by costpet on Jul 12, 2024 17:21:50 GMT -5
No more SS's please. We have a million of them.
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