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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 6, 2023 11:17:07 GMT -5
He’s also striking out 30% of the time against AAA pitching. Clearly his timing is off. Chang is probably a better defender than him so if Story’s ability to hit isn’t quite on point yet then why on earth would people want to make that switch yet? Chang’s been one of their better players this series anyway And who is Lopez? Reyes? My bad Reyes. I was thinking Pablo and went Lopez instead of Reyes. You make the switch because the lineup is completely different with Story in it, even if he needs a few more games to get his timing back. He's a professional hitter and the K% is attributed to a small sample size. This is the most important game of the year and Story showing up would be an immediate spark for this roster. Would you feel the same way if the reason he was not ready yet was that he was not quite ready to play SS but could DH ? There was a pretty strong consensus on this board a few weeks ago that he should not return until he can play in the field and hit. Why is needing a few AB's to fell ready any less of a legitimate reason to hold off ? Lets have the complete ball player please.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 11:30:50 GMT -5
My bad Reyes. I was thinking Pablo and went Lopez instead of Reyes. You make the switch because the lineup is completely different with Story in it, even if he needs a few more games to get his timing back. He's a professional hitter and the K% is attributed to a small sample size. This is the most important game of the year and Story showing up would be an immediate spark for this roster. And people wonder why players find playing in Boston to be toxic. Fans think they know when a player is ready more than the player himself He's probably not 100% ready, but the Sox obviously need him more today than ever. I'm sure Story will get a few more AAA sliders in before he comes back and proceeds to hit .268 with a few homers for a team that finishes 2 games out of the 3rd wild card spot. No big deal he misses today.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 11:35:53 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 6, 2023 11:38:12 GMT -5
He’s also striking out 30% of the time against AAA pitching. Clearly his timing is off. Chang is probably a better defender than him so if Story’s ability to hit isn’t quite on point yet then why on earth would people want to make that switch yet? Chang’s been one of their better players this series anyway And who is Lopez? Reyes? He’s a 28% K rate for his career. He K’d 30% last season with the Sox. So that sounds about ready. ….he’s facing AAA pitching. Do you think the quality of pitching in AAA is the same as it is in the bigs or do you think it is worse? You don’t need to answer it because we’ve seen what happens when you throw AAA pitchers in the bigs this year (see Ort/Garza/etc). They’re a lot worse than the average guy Story would face at this level He hadn’t played in a year! People should maybe let him get at least 3/4 of a ST’s worth of AB’s. It isn’t killing the team.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 6, 2023 11:50:25 GMT -5
I cried my eyes out when my grandfather died years ago and then ran the waterworks again when my grandmother died. My fondest memories are watching Red Sox games at their house on weekends and gramps taking me out on Saturday night to every variety store in town to buy up their baseball cards. But I don't see how a death that occurred weeks ago - traumatic as it is - causes someone to be late for work.Like I said in a following post, it doesn’t excuse showing up late. He should take a leave of absence if that’s what impacting him. But depression can absolutely be a motivation killer at work, I can tell you that from multiple personal experiences. People are wired differently. Well, you've shown a lot of guts by getting through the depression and I wish you the best. I mean that sincerely. But it can also work the other way and that would be particularly true, I would think, for a guy who has an exciting job and a workplace where there's a lot of camaraderie and good-natured kidding around. We've heard other athletes say that they find the field or the court to be their place of escape when they have something else going on in their life. Look, this is all speculation because we have no idea whether Dugo is depressed. If he is and it's to the point that Brian Johnson or Pete Harnish (former MLB P) reached, he should take a leave and the team should publicly support him.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 11:54:40 GMT -5
He’s a 28% K rate for his career. He K’d 30% last season with the Sox. So that sounds about ready. ….he’s facing AAA pitching. Do you think the quality of pitching in AAA is the same as it is in the bigs or do you think it is worse? You don’t need to answer it because we’ve seen what happens when you throw AAA pitchers in the bigs this year (see Ort/Garza/etc). They’re a lot worse than the average guy Story would face at this level He hadn’t played in a year! People should maybe let him get at least 3/4 of a ST’s worth of AB’s. It isn’t killing the team. I don't know what the delta on playoff probabilities are depending on the outcome of todays game, but if regular season MLB games had a leverage number, I know today's game would be one of the highest this season. Story's absence might not have killed the team yet, but it could this weekend. Also as you noted, AAA pithing is much worse than major league pitching. 1 MLB game will do more for rehabbing Story than a week in AAA.
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Post by 07redsox on Aug 6, 2023 12:01:00 GMT -5
Like I said in a following post, it doesn’t excuse showing up late. He should take a leave of absence if that’s what impacting him. But depression can absolutely be a motivation killer at work, I can tell you that from multiple personal experiences. People are wired differently. Well, you've shown a lot of guts by getting through the depression and I wish you the best. I mean that sincerely. But it can also work the other way and that would be particularly true, I would think, for a guy who has an exciting job and a workplace where there's a lot of camaraderie and good-natured kidding around. We've heard other athletes say that they find the field or the court to be their place of escape when they have something else going on in their life. Look, this is all speculation because we have no idea whether Dugo is depressed. If he is and it's to the point that Brian Johnson or Pete Harnish (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harnipe01.shtml) reached, he should take a leave and the team should publicly support him. While what you said is definitely true, it all goes back to what cdj said in that everyone is wired in different ways. As someone whose expertise is in clinical mental health, no one person truly responds in the same exact way to trauma. I know sports stars have a certain stereotype, but it’s the same for them as well (for example Greinke and his anxiety issues). For all the talk in other threads about the trade rumors and if that’s bothering him needing to get over it, that could even be a considered a trauma for certain people. Not saying that’s the case with Verdugo (and I don’t think it is), but certain people may feel betrayed or vulnerable and let it affect their performance. You never really know what something is feeling/thinking unless fully expressed, which is what makes it such a harder thing to deal with and notice than physical injuries at times. The mind is truly a very wonderful and strange thing!
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 6, 2023 12:01:30 GMT -5
Trevor Story might be my least favorite Sox player since Pablo Sandavol. The Sox need him today and he'd rather get a few more reps in AAA? Talk about arriving late
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 6, 2023 12:04:31 GMT -5
My bad Reyes. I was thinking Pablo and went Lopez instead of Reyes. You make the switch because the lineup is completely different with Story in it, even if he needs a few more games to get his timing back. He's a professional hitter and the K% is attributed to a small sample size. This is the most important game of the year and Story showing up would be an immediate spark for this roster. And people wonder why players find playing in Boston to be toxic. Fans think they know when a player is ready more than the player himself How many guys have said it's toxic? It's been uncomfortable for a few (Edgar Renteria comes to mind) but to my recollection, the most frequent complaint from players about Boston is the racial climate. That's a whole different story than what we're discussing. It seems to me a lot more guys love it than hate it. I recall Mark Loretta saying he told other players after his year with the Red Sox that if they got a chance to play here they should take it and enjoy the experience.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 12:06:57 GMT -5
And people wonder why players find playing in Boston to be toxic. Fans think they know when a player is ready more than the player himself How many guys have said it's toxic? It's been uncomfortable for a few (Edgar Renteria comes to mind) but to my recollection, the most frequent complaint from players about Boston is the racial climate. That's a whole different story than what we're discussing. It seems to me a lot more guys love it than hate it. I recall Mark Loretta saying he told other players after his year with the Red Sox that if they got a chance to play here they should take it and enjoy the experience. Papelbon was not happy. And right on cue
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Post by manfred on Aug 6, 2023 12:10:06 GMT -5
He’s a 28% K rate for his career. He K’d 30% last season with the Sox. So that sounds about ready. ….he’s facing AAA pitching. Do you think the quality of pitching in AAA is the same as it is in the bigs or do you think it is worse? You don’t need to answer it because we’ve seen what happens when you throw AAA pitchers in the bigs this year (see Ort/Garza/etc). They’re a lot worse than the average guy Story would face at this level He hadn’t played in a year! People should maybe let him get at least 3/4 of a ST’s worth of AB’s. It isn’t killing the team. It is definitely not helping. But I guess the question is what should they look for? 2 straight games of no Ks? I agree he is not going to be top form. But a guy folks see as a star must be better than waiver pickups even at 50% no? They are now at 15% playoff odds. Lose today, what is it? They basically have to sweep KC given what comes after. If he isn’t back in a few days, he might as well book his tee time.
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Post by cdj on Aug 6, 2023 12:10:33 GMT -5
And people wonder why players find playing in Boston to be toxic. Fans think they know when a player is ready more than the player himself How many guys have said it's toxic? It's been uncomfortable for a few (Edgar Renteria comes to mind) but to my recollection, the most frequent complaint from players about Boston is the racial climate. That's a whole different story than what we're discussing. It seems to me a lot more guys love it than hate it. I recall Mark Loretta saying he told other players after his year with the Red Sox that if they got a chance to play here they should take it and enjoy the experience. I think it depends on the person- some people are wired for this environment where if you’re playing well you’re the king and if you aren’t you’ll be more than held accountable. There probably aren’t many feelings better than winning and being a truly great player in this city. You’re set. The flip side is that if there’s losing or there is underperformance for any reason the kitchen can get hot very fast. And some ppl can’t take that heat and play effectively through it.
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Post by cdj on Aug 6, 2023 12:12:34 GMT -5
How many guys have said it's toxic? It's been uncomfortable for a few (Edgar Renteria comes to mind) but to my recollection, the most frequent complaint from players about Boston is the racial climate. That's a whole different story than what we're discussing. It seems to me a lot more guys love it than hate it. I recall Mark Loretta saying he told other players after his year with the Red Sox that if they got a chance to play here they should take it and enjoy the experience. Papelbon was not happy. And right on cue The comments under that tweet are about as rational and educated as I thought they would be
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Post by radiohix on Aug 6, 2023 12:13:36 GMT -5
Guys I think I found the answer to this slump: They need to wear them City Connect jerseys for the rest of these home series. No other way around it.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 6, 2023 12:20:29 GMT -5
Trevor Story might be my least favorite Sox player since Pablo Sandavol. The Sox need him today and he'd rather get a few more reps in AAA? As Colonel Potter might say. He’s a rifle dropper. I am so embarrassed to be on a website with people who talk like this.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 12:29:16 GMT -5
As Colonel Potter might say. He’s a rifle dropper. I am so embarrassed to be on a website with people who talk like this. ![](https://media.tenor.com/iYr8r56I82kAAAAM/sit-here-homer.gif)
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Post by incandenza on Aug 6, 2023 12:32:36 GMT -5
Interesting. Makes you wonder about Sam Kennedy's future, too (Kevin Kennedy was the Sox manager in 1995-6, lol) I see that Bloom is building a very promising inventory of talent that could hit during the second half of this decade? Will they trust him to do what Dombrowski did, which was to sort out the talent, determine who are the keepers and who are more expendable and convert the excess into talent that the system is lacking or consolidating the excess into higher level talent? Bloom is definitely setting the table, but can he be the guy to deliver the meal? Geez what a stupid analogy,lol. But you get the point. Will Sox management give Bloom that chance? Can he if he is given that chance? What if Cora and Bloom dont see eye to eye? My guess is that despite being Henry/Werner's guy, he'll get fired ahead of Bloom anyways.Tom Brady is Bob Kraft's favorite son, but he let Belichick low ball him and drive him away. He didnt intervene to save him and I think it'll be similar with Henry and Werner. I agree with this, though I think they both get one more year unless this team finishes below .500 again. Then they're probably both gone. Most heads of baseball ops want "their guy" as a manager. Cora was presented to Mr. Bloom as a given. It appears they're on the same page most of the time, but Cora's "it's not about prospects or rankings of the farm" comment in July was revealing. I'm sure there's frustration on both ends. Anyway, still plenty of games to play. This team needs to fight, and I think Story and Sale (and later Whitlock and Houck) will bring some fight to the clubhouse. Maybe I'm missing some reporting, but I think you're really conjuring this whole idea about tension between Cora and Bloom out of thin air. I don't see any evidence of it. That one quote you keep referring to doesn't say anything to me beyond the fact that Bloom and Cora have different jobs - Cora's job isn't to build the farm system, it's to make the playoffs, and I think that's all he was saying. I'm sure he's a smart enough guy to understand that building a fram system is something that the organization has to do as well
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Post by cdj on Aug 6, 2023 12:33:31 GMT -5
NESN stinks!
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Aug 6, 2023 12:33:44 GMT -5
If y’all wanna see some real toxicity check out the Reddit game day threads for any Sox, Pats, or Celtics games. Win or lose, it’s a cesspool that makes me question if people actually like sports or just like crapping on everything related to sports
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 12:37:14 GMT -5
Playoff odds are 15.3% going into today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2023 12:40:51 GMT -5
Choosing not to play Vladdy Jr while going for a sweep is certainly… a choice.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 6, 2023 12:41:05 GMT -5
I stream games on Prime -- the last few days the Red Sox game feed kept locking up, so I switched to Toronto feed without incident. Are you having similar issues?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 6, 2023 12:42:44 GMT -5
If y’all wanna see some real toxicity check out the Reddit game day threads for any Sox, Pats, or Celtics games. Win or lose, it’s a cesspool that makes me question if people actually like sports or just like crapping on everything related to sports I get my full recommended daily dosage here. Could not handle a drop more.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 12:43:00 GMT -5
Choosing not to play Vladdy Jr while going for a sweep is certainly… a choice. He must have stranded at least 7 guys. Something was off.
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Post by station13 on Aug 6, 2023 12:43:35 GMT -5
Choosing not to play Vladdy Jr while going for a sweep is certainly… a choice. I think it would help the Jays to find a new mascot who can be slightly better than Vladdy Jr.
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