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Post by cdj on Aug 6, 2023 9:26:49 GMT -5
Grandma died? Obviously everybody loves their grandmothers but in Mexican culture they hold a certain type of standing within the family, they are the matriarch. Mother also was diagnosed with cancer recently. I’m sure that’s not easy! This is the shit I’m talking about with this market being unfairly harsh, people just start talking reckless about players without realizing they’re human He’s a terrible person! Much easier to just ride with that so that’s what people do By that logic, we should just assume something is nagging Devers when he throws. I’m sure he has problems. Take a leave of absence. But don’t dog it. I’m totally sympathetic to people going through hard things, but dogging it is not a good response. If he was dogging it I don’t think he’d be playing elite defense. I think he’s just in a deep funk. Showing up late is obviously not the way to go about things though and maybe he should take a personal leave
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 6, 2023 9:29:24 GMT -5
Nick Robertson up, Jacques down
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Aug 6, 2023 9:30:58 GMT -5
Nick Robertson up, Jacques down Our savior has arrived.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 6, 2023 9:31:57 GMT -5
The Red Sox are good enough to make the post season. You dont sell when you have a real shot. The problem is that the Sox forever continue to beat themselves. Last year they flat out werent good enough. This year they would be if they stopped being their own worst enemy. The team baseball IQ is horrendous. They make stupid baserunning decisions. They play horrendous team defense. They dont hit in the clutch. They make questionable managerial decisions They dont get the big out. They find ways to lose winnable games consistently. The 2004 Red Sox team beat themselves with bad defense until Theo bravely fixed their "fatal flaw", defense, adding a bunch of gloves at the deadline. This year's team still has the same issues plaguing them after the deadline. They needed to win this game. They needed to put pressure on Toronto this series. Instead they're back in the basement, now behind NYY and Seattle, neither team that improved themselves at the deadline, too. This game was a kick on the balls. It'll be interesting to see how they respond. If they win tomorrow, maybe they'll hang around awhile. Maybe theyll get hot again given that they're entering the cake stretch of their schedule before it gets rough the rest of the season. Or if they lose tomorrow, then I think they're done. 5 games out isnt impossible to overcome. But when you have a team that is on the cusp of where it needs to go, then has their opportunity and then spits the bit, that tells me they dont have the balls to win. Thet lose tomorrow, yeah theyll rebound a bit against KC and Washington, but they're dead. Theyll just be playing out the string...in August yet again. Which is inexcusable when your team can spend 225 million and only has to he the 5th best team to make the playoffs. If/when they fail to make the postseason I have to think Cora will be gone. And if 2024 comes and goes with more of the same then I doubt Bloom gets extended. The next GM will benefit from Bloom's vastly improving farm system and we'll have the same GM debates over and over again. Tomorrow's game is the most crucial game of the season. Murphy is a lefty who has been surprisingly great. My guess is he, like Bernardino today, is due for a bad game and with Toronto's righty strong lineup, I dont expect good things tomorrow. Let's see how they respond to today's debacle. So aggravating. They get to 7 games over .500, piss it away, and then waste two months getting back there, peak at 9 over and then instead of continuing their momentum they drop 6 of 7 and piss things away yet again. The problem is that the GM doesn't believe in this team. He did nothing to help them at the deadline and once again this team gave up. At the end of the day you're dealing with human beings. So if you think Cora is the main problem then get rid of him. But I guarantee you that bringing in some random manager that Bloom finds will probably have similar results. They need to invest long term in the major league club. If it means wait till 2025-2026 then okay. Hopefully they extend Bello this offseason and buy out some Arb and FA years.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 6, 2023 9:32:32 GMT -5
Verdugo in the lineup today
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Aug 6, 2023 9:35:58 GMT -5
Verdugo in the lineup today Maybe Cora was trying to light a fire under the team? Let’s see if it works.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 6, 2023 9:36:16 GMT -5
Pure speculation: looks like the sox are not interested in extending him + he was actively shopped at the deadline + his hitting slump...each one of those can get to you...maybe the combination of all of them did...not a good look though There are a lot of guys who are motivated to play harder by those things. I think it is weird that guys are all over Raffy for shortcomings even on a day when he was the offense… but people are going kind of easy on a player who has quit on the team. Was he late because of beer and chicken? Well, it's Ok to criticize both. Dugo comes off like a stupid hillbilly and/or a 15-year-old kid who doesn't accept responsibility. Raffy has underperformed just after getting a big contract and, to me at least, looks out of shape - not 2020 out of shape, but hefty around the middle. Cora should have the talk with him that he had with Dugo at the end of last year. Raffy seems like a great kid who would take it seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2023 9:39:44 GMT -5
Alex Cora calling Bernardino and Chris Murphy into his office today:
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Post by jbuttah on Aug 6, 2023 9:44:35 GMT -5
Interesting. Makes you wonder about Sam Kennedy's future, too (Kevin Kennedy was the Sox manager in 1995-6, lol)I see that Bloom is building a very promising inventory of talent that could hit during the second half of this decade? Will they trust him to do what Dombrowski did, which was to sort out the talent, determine who are the keepers and who are more expendable and convert the excess into talent that the system is lacking or consolidating the excess into higher level talent? Bloom is definitely setting the table, but can he be the guy to deliver the meal? Geez what a stupid analogy,lol. But you get the point. Will Sox management give Bloom that chance? Can he if he is given that chance? What if Cora and Bloom dont see eye to eye? My guess is that despite being Henry/Werner's guy, he'll get fired ahead of Bloom anyways. Tom Brady is Bob Kraft's favorite son, but he let Belichick low ball him and drive him away. He didnt intervene to save him and I think it'll be similar with Henry and Werner. This is what happens when I'm caffeine free before typing on my phone. And it's obvious I'm still damaged by the "Kevin Kennedy experience." SAD! That would certainly explain why he's looked disinterested recently.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 6, 2023 9:44:51 GMT -5
The obvious question....why has his head not been in the game lately? Grandma died? Obviously everybody loves their grandmothers but in Mexican culture they hold a certain type of standing within the family, they are the matriarch. Mother also was diagnosed with cancer recently. I’m sure that’s not easy! This is the shit I’m talking about with this market being unfairly harsh, people just start talking reckless about players without realizing they’re human He’s a terrible person! Much easier to just ride with that so that’s what people do I cried my eyes out when my grandfather died years ago and then ran the waterworks again when my grandmother died. My fondest memories are watching Red Sox games at their house on weekends and gramps taking me out on Saturday night to every variety store in town to buy up their baseball cards. But I don't see how a death that occurred weeks ago - traumatic as it is - causes someone to be late for work.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 6, 2023 9:46:41 GMT -5
Alex Cora calling Bernardino and Chris Murphy into his office today: And during that whole scene, Jeff Daniels is thinking, "I will hold this line. And you, sir, are an awful actor."
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Post by Guidas on Aug 6, 2023 9:54:58 GMT -5
This will be interesting if they don't make the playoffs. And despite the utter dreck and wreck of the last week, they still have ample opportunity in this near-NHL style system. But in reference to the bolded above, in late July on the podcast with Cotillo, McAdam said something that I thought was really interesting and noted it for potential future reference (paraphrasing here because I don't want to go back and re-listen): McAdam - "Cora is John Henry and Tom Werner's guy. Bloom is very much Kevin Kennedy's guy. Remember, Kennedy ran that whole search and presented Bloom to Henry and Werner as the guy. They ultimately OK'ed the hiring decision but it was very much Kennedy's big moment and hire. If push comes to shove between Bloom and Cora, it will be interesting to watch to see which one - or both - is let go." Interesting. Makes you wonder about Sam Kennedy's future, too (Kevin Kennedy was the Sox manager in 1995-6, lol) I see that Bloom is building a very promising inventory of talent that could hit during the second half of this decade? Will they trust him to do what Dombrowski did, which was to sort out the talent, determine who are the keepers and who are more expendable and convert the excess into talent that the system is lacking or consolidating the excess into higher level talent? Bloom is definitely setting the table, but can he be the guy to deliver the meal? Geez what a stupid analogy,lol. But you get the point. Will Sox management give Bloom that chance? Can he if he is given that chance? What if Cora and Bloom dont see eye to eye? My guess is that despite being Henry/Werner's guy, he'll get fired ahead of Bloom anyways.Tom Brady is Bob Kraft's favorite son, but he let Belichick low ball him and drive him away. He didnt intervene to save him and I think it'll be similar with Henry and Werner. I agree with this, though I think they both get one more year unless this team finishes below .500 again. Then they're probably both gone. Most heads of baseball ops want "their guy" as a manager. Cora was presented to Mr. Bloom as a given. It appears they're on the same page most of the time, but Cora's "it's not about prospects or rankings of the farm" comment in July was revealing. I'm sure there's frustration on both ends. Anyway, still plenty of games to play. This team needs to fight, and I think Story and Sale (and later Whitlock and Houck) will bring some fight to the clubhouse.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 6, 2023 10:07:50 GMT -5
Verdugo in the lineup today For now. Just kidding.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 6, 2023 10:11:26 GMT -5
Verdugo in the lineup today For now. Just kidding. Someone should ring his cell to tell him he's playing and that he needs to get his butt to 4 Jersey St. Just kidding. Or maybe not.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 6, 2023 10:31:44 GMT -5
Hard to process all the noise from yesterday again today, so for today I hope for a ton of runs early so the pitchers can just throw low pressure strikes. Cut the gap back to 3 games.
I hope that we hear about a team only meeting tomorrow that includes Story and Sale.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 10:37:21 GMT -5
Trevor Story might be my least favorite Sox player since Pablo Sandavol. The Sox need him today and he'd rather get a few more reps in AAA?
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Post by cdj on Aug 6, 2023 10:39:16 GMT -5
Grandma died? Obviously everybody loves their grandmothers but in Mexican culture they hold a certain type of standing within the family, they are the matriarch. Mother also was diagnosed with cancer recently. I’m sure that’s not easy! This is the shit I’m talking about with this market being unfairly harsh, people just start talking reckless about players without realizing they’re human He’s a terrible person! Much easier to just ride with that so that’s what people do I cried my eyes out when my grandfather died years ago and then ran the waterworks again when my grandmother died. My fondest memories are watching Red Sox games at their house on weekends and gramps taking me out on Saturday night to every variety store in town to buy up their baseball cards. But I don't see how a death that occurred weeks ago - traumatic as it is - causes someone to be late for work.Like I said in a following post, it doesn’t excuse showing up late. He should take a leave of absence if that’s what impacting him. But depression can absolutely be a motivation killer at work, I can tell you that from multiple personal experiences. People are wired differently.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 6, 2023 10:45:53 GMT -5
Trevor Story might be my least favorite Sox player since Pablo Sandavol. The Sox need him today and he'd rather get a few more reps in AAA? Perfectly fine with storys decision. Its his body and he knows when he would be ready. (Timing wise with regards to swings etc)
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Post by cdj on Aug 6, 2023 10:46:16 GMT -5
Trevor Story might be my least favorite Sox player since Pablo Sandavol. The Sox need him today and he'd rather get a few more reps in AAA? First he causes us to pay more in concessions and now he’s Pablo Sandoval All because he didn’t think he was ready to positively impact the team and wanted more rehab AB’s so that he could positively impact the team. And let’s be real you’d criticize him if he came back and struggled right away! Red Sox nation baby- you can never win! Remember: Pablo admitted to not trying here. His belt literally exploded he got so fat. Plz do not make this comparison to any Red Sox player ever again, Pablo is the worst player in the history of the franchise for what he got paid. It is an unfair and not nice thing to do unless the player visibly becomes a whale and more or less tell us fans to f off
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 10:52:48 GMT -5
Trevor Story might be my least favorite Sox player since Pablo Sandavol. The Sox need him today and he'd rather get a few more reps in AAA? First he causes us to pay more in concessions and now he’s Pablo Sandoval All because he didn’t think he was ready to positively impact the team and wanted more rehab AB’s so that he could positively impact the team. And let’s be real you’d criticize him if he came back and struggled right away! Red Sox nation baby- you can never win! Remember: Pablo admitted to not trying here. His belt literally exploded he got so fat. Plz do not make this comparison to any Red Sox player ever again, Pablo is the worst player in the history of the franchise for what he got paid His presence in the lineup will impact the team more than Lopez or Chang. He's also hitting .280 in AAA right now. You can feel however you want about story, but he wears a massive panda hat in my eyes.
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Post by cdj on Aug 6, 2023 10:55:31 GMT -5
First he causes us to pay more in concessions and now he’s Pablo Sandoval All because he didn’t think he was ready to positively impact the team and wanted more rehab AB’s so that he could positively impact the team. And let’s be real you’d criticize him if he came back and struggled right away! Red Sox nation baby- you can never win! Remember: Pablo admitted to not trying here. His belt literally exploded he got so fat. Plz do not make this comparison to any Red Sox player ever again, Pablo is the worst player in the history of the franchise for what he got paid His presence in the lineup will impact the team more than Lopez or Chang. He's also hitting .280 in AAA right now. You can feel however you want about story, but he wears a massive panda hat in my eyes. He’s also striking out 30% of the time against AAA pitching. Clearly his timing is off. Chang is probably a better defender than him so if Story’s ability to hit isn’t quite on point yet then why on earth would people want to make that switch yet? Chang’s been one of their better players this series anyway And who is Lopez? Reyes?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 6, 2023 10:59:04 GMT -5
Trevor Story might be my least favorite Sox player since Pablo Sandavol. The Sox need him today and he'd rather get a few more reps in AAA? As Colonel Potter might say. He’s a rifle dropper.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 11:06:08 GMT -5
His presence in the lineup will impact the team more than Lopez or Chang. He's also hitting .280 in AAA right now. You can feel however you want about story, but he wears a massive panda hat in my eyes. He’s also striking out 30% of the time against AAA pitching. Clearly his timing is off. Chang is probably a better defender than him so if Story’s ability to hit isn’t quite on point yet then why on earth would people want to make that switch yet? Chang’s been one of their better players this series anyway And who is Lopez? Reyes? My bad Reyes. I was thinking Pablo and went Lopez instead of Reyes. You make the switch because the lineup is completely different with Story in it, even if he needs a few more games to get his timing back. He's a professional hitter and the K% is attributed to a small sample size. This is the most important game of the year and Story showing up would be an immediate spark for this roster.
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Post by manfred on Aug 6, 2023 11:10:32 GMT -5
His presence in the lineup will impact the team more than Lopez or Chang. He's also hitting .280 in AAA right now. You can feel however you want about story, but he wears a massive panda hat in my eyes. He’s also striking out 30% of the time against AAA pitching. Clearly his timing is off. Chang is probably a better defender than him so if Story’s ability to hit isn’t quite on point yet then why on earth would people want to make that switch yet? Chang’s been one of their better players this series anyway And who is Lopez? Reyes? He’s a 28% K rate for his career. He K’d 30% last season with the Sox. So that sounds about ready.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 6, 2023 11:13:27 GMT -5
He’s also striking out 30% of the time against AAA pitching. Clearly his timing is off. Chang is probably a better defender than him so if Story’s ability to hit isn’t quite on point yet then why on earth would people want to make that switch yet? Chang’s been one of their better players this series anyway And who is Lopez? Reyes? My bad Reyes. I was thinking Pablo and went Lopez instead of Reyes. You make the switch because the lineup is completely different with Story in it, even if he needs a few more games to get his timing back. He's a professional hitter and the K% is attributed to a small sample size. This is the most important game of the year and Story showing up would be an immediate spark for this roster. And people wonder why players find playing in Boston to be toxic. Fans think they know when a player is ready more than the player himself
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