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Post by terriblehondo on Aug 30, 2023 18:20:59 GMT -5
Well I am officially saying this season is over and lets play the kids. Having said that the Sox will start a winning steak in KC and get back in the chase.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 30, 2023 18:21:36 GMT -5
Am I wrong in thinking that Monday nights embarrassment took the fight out of this team? That it was terrible for their psyhche? In other words if management doesnt care, why should I? yes
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 30, 2023 18:21:41 GMT -5
what a lost series. that couldn't have gone any worse. Certainly, #Barraclaughgate looks awfully foolish right now (have to account for medical on that, though)
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Post by bluechip on Aug 30, 2023 18:24:43 GMT -5
Am I wrong in thinking that Monday nights embarrassment took the fight out of this team? That it was terrible for their psyhche? In other words if management doesnt care, why should I? Certainly took away my enthusiasm for this team. If they won Monday they’d at least have had a fighters chance. Now. The season is basically over. They had to win at least one to have a prayer. That was their best chance of doing so. And they just gave it away.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 30, 2023 18:25:46 GMT -5
With a sweep they'd be 1.5 games behind the Astros, and catching them or the tumbling Rangers and the banged up Blue Jays would seem eminently doable. With two wins they stay in the hunt. With one win they're hanging on by a fingernail. If they get swept it's time to start looking at draft order. Can't believe this is where we were only 48 hours ago...
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Post by bluechip on Aug 30, 2023 18:26:46 GMT -5
what a lost series. that couldn't have gone any worse. Certainly, #Barraclaughgate looks awfully foolish right now (have to account for medical on that, though) They had Jansen and Martin didn’t they. Even using Jansen for the sixth with the lead is better than saving him for the 8th today in a loss after the season is all but over.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 30, 2023 18:30:19 GMT -5
I think I’ve done enough complaining for a 3 day span. Looking forward to a break tomorrow.
But if Casas isn’t batting at the top of the lineup moving forward I’ll continue to complain. Inexcusable
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Post by manfred on Aug 30, 2023 18:34:56 GMT -5
Upcoming games with Yankees take on new importance: no longer about the playoffs… now they are about not finishing last.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 30, 2023 18:37:52 GMT -5
Missed the game ( thankfully, it seems). So, is this rock bottom?
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Post by yuchangclan on Aug 30, 2023 18:39:29 GMT -5
Maybe we shouldn't have our best hitter batting 8th? Cora has had an awful season as manager. I’m not sure how else to look at it.
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Post by lostinnewjersey on Aug 30, 2023 18:40:18 GMT -5
Upcoming games with Yankees take on new importance: no longer about the playoffs… now they are about not finishing last. Yet another season that ends up being about where they will pick in the next draft.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 30, 2023 18:44:14 GMT -5
Maybe we shouldn't have our best hitter batting 8th? For the record, this didn't matter at all (as it usually doesn't) since the last out was made by the #9 hitter. It marginally decresed his expected number of PAs and marginally increased his likelihood of facing righties in those PAs; that's all.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 30, 2023 18:45:31 GMT -5
Since mid July I've been figuring Bloom was probably safe for another year barring a train wreck of a 2nd half of the year. We aren't there yet I don't think but that seats gotta be at least warming up. If they roll over and die the rest of the way I could see ownership cleaning house in the front office and the coaching staff.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 30, 2023 18:46:07 GMT -5
Am I wrong in thinking that Monday nights embarrassment took the fight out of this team? That it was terrible for their psyhche? In other words if management doesnt care, why should I? I honestly don't think so. This looked like a .500ish team from ST on and that's about where they'll finish. It's not surprising that once the schedule turned rough and they had to face teams that are not only better than them, but that are also playing for PS berths and/or positioning, they've gone 1W-5L's. More games against the MFYs, please.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 30, 2023 18:50:59 GMT -5
Where are the BoSox currently spotted in the '24 draft? I'll confess: I've been looking lately. The answer is 16th with a chance to move as high as 13th, though that would mean the MFY passing them, which I'd rather not see. tankathon.com/mlb
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Post by Canseco on Aug 30, 2023 19:27:04 GMT -5
When faced with (arguably) their two biggest opportunity series of the season, this Sox team was thoroughly dominated by both Toronto and Houston… in Fenway. That’s all I need to know. Not competitive.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 30, 2023 19:29:48 GMT -5
Sox only three ahead of NYY in the loss column.
They finish last in the AL East again and this could get ugly.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 30, 2023 19:34:18 GMT -5
Another year. Another meaningless September. Frankly I realized the team wasn't going anywhere when I saw how they played against Toronto in early August. They could have seized a playoff spot but instead shriveled up. That was telling.
I realized that not improving their defense and not improving their pitching meant they had no margin for error.
I thought the Sox were a reasonably good team for most of the year but I was wrong.
I was right about my concern in that after the Sox spent most of the year losing games against mediocre teams and standing strong against good teams that the trend would reverse and it has. The Sox have played well against bad teams and made it clear they're not as good as the obviously better teams.
But after seeing what they've missed by not having a premier player like Betts on the team, the Astros came into Fenway and mauled the Sox who puked all over themselves.
So it's the end of August and the Sox are out of the playoff chase, the generous playoff system that allows you to make the playoffs as the 5th best team in the league, which really isn't a tough bar to clear for a good team, which the Sox clearly are not.
Given how promising the Sox looked for the first half of the season, I'd have to say it's getting old watching them miss the expanded playoffs year after year and finish near. 500 not really going anywhere.
So they'll draft in the middle, finish in the middle, have a farm system that is around the middle depending upon how much you value having potential starting pitchers, and spending toward the middle and having a middling front office, I'd say that really doesn't get the job done. Its rough watching both the Sox and Patriots retreat from their wonderful golden age of championships to their current run of mediocrity.
I watched the Sox not extend all out to keep their franchise player and I saw the Patriots let their GOAT get away and stop building around him. Darn shame. I hope there are much better sports days ahead.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 30, 2023 19:34:51 GMT -5
I'm wondering if my original estimate of 79 wins is possible after all. This could start a free fall to the end
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Post by waiverClaim on Aug 30, 2023 19:37:08 GMT -5
Pursuit of Texas is on ! Giolito would help. I think Twins would get claim priority over Sox
TX hosts BOS, mid-Sept Mets 3 Tex 2 in 6th
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 30, 2023 19:38:51 GMT -5
Conspiracy theory: Cora tanked this series to maximize their chances of getting Giolito tomorrow, sparking a September run. 12D chess.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 30, 2023 19:40:52 GMT -5
I'm wondering if my original estimate of 79 wins is possible after all. This could start a free fall to the end If they can go 10-18 the rest of the way then they can just as easily go 18-10, which means 87 wins is still on the table, which means they're not dead after all!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 30, 2023 19:46:28 GMT -5
Another year. Another meaningless September. Frankly I realized the team wasn't going anywhere when I saw how they played against Toronto in early August. They could have seized a playoff spot but instead shriveled up. That was telling. I realized that not improving their defense and not improving their pitching meant they had no margin for error. I thought the Sox were a reasonably good team for most of the year but I was wrong. I was right about my concern in that after the Sox spent most of the year losing games against mediocre teams and standing strong against good teams that the trend would reverse and it has. The Sox have played well against bad teams and made it clear they're not as good as the obviously better teams. But after seeing what they've missed by not having a premier player like Betts on the team, the Astros came into Fenway and mauled the Sox who puked all over themselves. So it's the end of August and the Sox are out of the playoff chase, the generous playoff system that allows you to make the playoffs as the 5th best team in the league, which really isn't a tough bar to clear for a good team, which the Sox clearly are not. Given how promising the Sox looked for the first half of the season, I'd have to say it's getting old watching them miss the expanded playoffs year after year and finish near. 500 not really going anywhere. So they'll draft in the middle, finish in the middle, have a farm system that is around the middle depending upon how much you value having potential starting pitchers, and spending toward the middle and having a middling front office, I'd say that really doesn't get the job done. Its rough watching both the Sox and Patriots retreat from their wonderful golden age of championships to their current run of mediocrity. I watched the Sox not extend all out to keep their franchise player and I saw the Patriots let their GOAT get away and stop building around him. Darn shame. I hope there are much better sports days ahead. My only difference between your analysis and my feelings is that I never felt this season was promising. It was rige with shoddy baserunning and defense, and short starts. They never reached a 50 percent chance of a playoff spot. The roster was not built for success.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 30, 2023 19:48:15 GMT -5
Another year. Another meaningless September. Frankly I realized the team wasn't going anywhere when I saw how they played against Toronto in early August. They could have seized a playoff spot but instead shriveled up. That was telling. I realized that not improving their defense and not improving their pitching meant they had no margin for error. I thought the Sox were a reasonably good team for most of the year but I was wrong.I was right about my concern in that after the Sox spent most of the year losing games against mediocre teams and standing strong against good teams that the trend would reverse and it has. The Sox have played well against bad teams and made it clear they're not as good as the obviously better teams. But after seeing what they've missed by not having a premier player like Betts on the team, the Astros came into Fenway and mauled the Sox who puked all over themselves. So it's the end of August and the Sox are out of the playoff chase, the generous playoff system that allows you to make the playoffs as the 5th best team in the league, which really isn't a tough bar to clear for a good team, which the Sox clearly are not. Given how promising the Sox looked for the first half of the season, I'd have to say it's getting old watching them miss the expanded playoffs year after year and finish near. 500 not really going anywhere. So they'll draft in the middle, finish in the middle, have a farm system that is around the middle depending upon how much you value having potential starting pitchers, and spending toward the middle and having a middling front office, I'd say that really doesn't get the job done. Its rough watching both the Sox and Patriots retreat from their wonderful golden age of championships to their current run of mediocrity. I watched the Sox not extend all out to keep their franchise player and I saw the Patriots let their GOAT get away and stop building around him. Darn shame. I hope there are much better sports days ahead. You will never quit your project of seeking to divine the essence of each Red Sox team, but existence precedes essence, they simply are what they do, and to this point they are a slightly above average team. If they get hot down the stretch like they were in July they could still end with a high-80s win total; if they go cold like they were in June they could finish around 80 wins.
Hey, good news by the way - the Mariners and Rangers now have a tougher remaining schedule than we do!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 30, 2023 19:48:20 GMT -5
I'm wondering if my original estimate of 79 wins is possible after all. This could start a free fall to the end If they can go 10-18 the rest of the way then they can just as easily go 18-10, which means 87 wins is still on the table, which means they're not dead after all! LOL
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