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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Aug 31, 2023 21:16:10 GMT -5
Just think about this: We started the season being sold, that Kiké' Hernandez was capable of being a starting SS on a contending MLB franchise. There were no fallbacks, unless you count the corpse of Mondesi (Who still hasn't resumed baseball activities). This wasn't on Cora, nor was the trade deadline where this team desperately needed a decent pitcher and when the dust settled.... We were given Barraclough and Llovera. Cora juggled and threw what he had at the problems, just what he was given wasn't up to par.
Yet here we are begining September with a winning record. So ok, we saved our bullets for a later date. Let's not pretend we didn't know what we were given. Personally When I judge a manager, or think about if a manger should be fired , I think about if the team gave me more or less than I expected and in my book this was a successful "bridge year". The team was boiled down to show us who goes and who stays, we were shown improvement from areas we didn't expect. They fought.... They're still fighting, and how they play out the stretch WILL matter.
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Post by patford on Aug 31, 2023 21:29:37 GMT -5
If only the Sox had bought heavily at the deadline like the Angels did.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 31, 2023 21:44:13 GMT -5
I’ve been reading old threads… old off season threads, prediction threads, etc. I have to say…. pessimists get bashed and accused of being repetitive, but the “this is fine” certainly looks familiar. I don’t know whose head rolls, and I don’t know what major off-season upgrade they make, but there better be something. I just don’t think they can keep selling “we are close” or “if only…” any longer. Well, except to a section of this on-line fanbase. I don't know I mean generally the pre-season "optimists" predicted wins in the 84-88 range which I think is much more likely still than the pre-season "pessimistic" range of 74-78, and as of now I'll still predict the team lands in the upper range rather than the lower one. Add: More clearly, the median prediction on the board was 81 wins and I'll still take the over on that. forum.soxprospects.com/thread/6689/2023-red-sox-win-projection?page=5Add: Last couple pages of the thread I didn't get to in the above ranges had some more extreme projections, including 72 and 92, neither of which seem particularly within reason right now Yeah, was gonna say... I remember being at the pessimistic end of the spectrum in 2022 with an 82 win prediction, and then they were worse than that. And I remember the consensus being about .500 for this season and they're likely gonna be better than that. They also exceeded expectation in 2021 and fell short of them in 2020. I see... absolutely no pattern at all, except that there's more variability in real world outcomes than people usually anticipate.
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Post by manfred on Aug 31, 2023 21:48:12 GMT -5
I don't know I mean generally the pre-season "optimists" predicted wins in the 84-88 range which I think is much more likely still than the pre-season "pessimistic" range of 74-78, and as of now I'll still predict the team lands in the upper range rather than the lower one. Add: More clearly, the median prediction on the board was 81 wins and I'll still take the over on that. forum.soxprospects.com/thread/6689/2023-red-sox-win-projection?page=5Add: Last couple pages of the thread I didn't get to in the above ranges had some more extreme projections, including 72 and 92, neither of which seem particularly within reason right now Yeah, was gonna say... I remember being at the pessimistic end of the spectrum in 2022 with an 82 win prediction, and then they were worse than that. And I remember the consensus being about .500 for this season and they're likely gonna be better than that. They also exceeded expectation in 2021 and fell short of them in 2020. I see... absolutely no pattern at all, except that there's more variability in real world outcomes than people usually anticipate. Marlins won. People thought it was crazy the Sox were ranked behind them. But it is a 2 game gap.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 31, 2023 21:55:00 GMT -5
Yeah, was gonna say... I remember being at the pessimistic end of the spectrum in 2022 with an 82 win prediction, and then they were worse than that. And I remember the consensus being about .500 for this season and they're likely gonna be better than that. They also exceeded expectation in 2021 and fell short of them in 2020. I see... absolutely no pattern at all, except that there's more variability in real world outcomes than people usually anticipate. Marlins won. People thought it was crazy the Sox were ranked behind them. But it is a 2 game gap. Indeed, the Marlins have outperformed my expectations. The Red Sox have also outperformed the consensus.
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Post by yuchangclan on Aug 31, 2023 22:00:48 GMT -5
If only the Sox had bought heavily at the deadline like the Angels did. Because the Sox would have made the exact same moves and experienced the exact same results?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 31, 2023 22:16:43 GMT -5
The Red Sox also seem to go ballistic every time they have a first year manager so there’s another reason not to fear change, albeit a superstitious one more than anything. Francona = 2004 first-year Farrell = 2013 first-year Cora = 2018 first year your math definitely checks out! Also nasty old Dick Williams in '67, Darrell Johnson in '75 and Morgan Magic in '88. To a much lesser degree, you could even throw in Kevin Kennedy, who managed the '95 team to an unexpected AL East title. That '95 season was immensely enjoyable for me because it was great to have BB back post-strike and also because I was a huge Mo Vaughn fan boy.
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Post by patford on Aug 31, 2023 22:41:56 GMT -5
Giolito with the Angles: GP GS W L WAR ERA WHIP IP K BB 6 6 1-5 -0.5 6.89 1.47 32.2 34 15
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 31, 2023 23:58:29 GMT -5
I know he had an ERA over 6 in the first several weeks of the season as a starter, but..
Pivetta has thrown the second most innings on the team, and he made thirty starts last year (only four MLB pitchers did that). He doesn’t have the kind of durability concerns that most of the rest of the rotation has had.
It may have been a missed opportunity to provide more stability for the pitching staff - that is, instead of converting him to a bulk reliever, bumping, say, Whitlock or Houck into relief.
They cannot afford to roster four 4ish inning starters down the stretch again next year.
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Post by baarsofia42 on Nov 24, 2023 0:52:59 GMT -5
Couldn't find a thread on it but: Happy Birthday Ted Williams born today 1918 105 years ago. I'm old enough to have seen him play in person. Nobody left for the concession stand when he was due up. I'm late damn! Happy Belated Birthday to the legendary Ted Williams! Wow, it's incredible that you had the opportunity to see him play in person. The impact he had on the game is truly remarkable, and the fact that nobody would leave for the concession stand when he was at bat speaks volumes about his skill and influence. A true baseball icon!
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 14, 2024 15:07:20 GMT -5
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