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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 31, 2023 10:06:03 GMT -5
The Sox former GM who was fired takes his new team to the WS in consecutive years. Seems fairly self-explanatory. Yeah I don't understand how that is good for the Red Sox at all, or even really relevant to them whatsoever
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Aug 31, 2023 10:21:54 GMT -5
The Sox former GM who was fired takes his new team to the WS in consecutive years. Seems fairly self-explanatory. Mhmm, mhmmm...and is Dave Dombrowski in the room with us right now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2023 10:34:12 GMT -5
I don't see how Cora survives this. When the team should be hitting its stride and are finally pretty healthy they are shooting themselves in the foot too often. I think I'm ready to move on. There's an old anecdote that during the Civil War some Congressmen met with Abraham Lincoln to plead that General McClellan should be fired as head of the Union army. At one point there's a tussle between a Senator and Lincoln, and Lincoln asks who should be McClellan’s replacement and the Senator says, “Well, anybody.” Lincoln goes, "Anybody will do for you but I must have somebody."
I think moving on from Cora is certainly defensible given the last two years, especially if there are things behind the scenes where he's just not reaching the locker room in the way that he did before (i.e. Brad Stevens). But like... I need a name of someone available to manage next year who will be better before I jump on the Fire Cora train. I'm not sure how many managers - in the presser cooker that is Boston - manage to keep a team without a real rotation and basically without a functioning shortshop for 4 months alive until the defending champs provided the knock-out blow. Good managers - especially those who can win titles and handle Boston - are in short supply. Francona has won 3 Manager of the Year Awards in Cleveland since the team let him go due to him having supposedly " completely lost his ability to motivate his increasingly lackluster team." If someone has ideas for who is Bloom's General Grant is in this scenario, I'm all ears.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 31, 2023 10:35:07 GMT -5
Once the regular season is over (I will follow the Red Sox closely until then) - my interest will lie with Baltimore (love the ballpark, glad to see them finally doing well) and Seattle (we lived there for a year, our daughter still does - they are also deserving), but won't pay much attention to the NL teams (but as always love to see Mookie doing well)
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 31, 2023 10:36:51 GMT -5
Kutter Crawford as a #5 starter masquerading as a #3 starter got exposed last night. No criticism, just the reality that as a bottom-of-the-rotation starter against top teams, you ARE going to get a poor outing sometimes.
Rafaela gets his first start last night -- at SS!! Maybe, if he can hit enough, the guy should be our starting CF next year. Or our starting RF. Or our starting 2B. Or our starting SS if Story's arm gives him any trouble.
I've seen JBJ comparisons when discussing him. Maybe his CF defense isn't QUITE as good as JBJ's was in his prime. But Rafaela's versatility leaves JBJ in the dust as far as value on the defensive side of the ball. He could easily become the defensive MVP in baseball, if there were such a thing.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 31, 2023 10:40:56 GMT -5
I'm rooting for the Phillies. Sports are more fun when Philly fans are miserable. Brewers, Mariners, or Twins for me. But I have close to zero faith any of them have a real chance. Honestly I wouldn’t mind if the Orioles won it either (I have family in MD and love Camden), but I just hate Angelos so much. Mixed feelings here. Bryce Harper is a guy who is hard not to root for, but Phillies fans are as bad as Yankee and Cowboy fans. I'm probably rooting for Philly because of Harper and Scwarber, but my fallback would be the Mariners because that city deserves to win once.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 31, 2023 10:44:12 GMT -5
I don't see how Cora survives this. When the team should be hitting its stride and are finally pretty healthy they are shooting themselves in the foot too often. I think I'm ready to move on. There's an old anecdote that during the Civil War some Congressmen met with Abraham Lincoln to plead that General McClellan should be fired as head of the Union army. At one point there's a tussle between a Senator and Lincoln, and Lincoln asks who should be McClellan’s replacement and the Senator says, “Well, anybody.” Lincoln goes, "Anybody will do for you but I must have somebody."
I think moving on from Cora is certainly defensible given the last two years, especially if there are things behind the scenes where he's just not reaching the locker room in the way that he did before (i.e. Brad Stevens). But like... I need a name of someone available to manage next year who will be better before I jump on the Fire Cora train. I'm not sure how many managers - in the presser cooker that is Boston - manage to keep a team without a real rotation and basically without a functioning shortshop for 4 months alive until the defending champs provided the knock-out blow. Good managers - especially those who can win titles and handle Boston - are in short supply. Francona has won 3 Manager of the Year Awards in Cleveland since the team let him go due to him having supposedly " completely lost his ability to motivate his increasingly lackluster team." If someone has ideas for who is Bloom's General Grant is in this scenario, I'm all ears. Someone he knows. Joe Maddon.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Aug 31, 2023 10:45:38 GMT -5
Jason Varitek Kyle Snyder (brought him up earlier) Joe Maddon (lol but maybe) Torey Lovullo (if they can pry him away and get him back) Don Kelly (prior interviewee in 2020) Luis Urueta (prior interviewee in 2020)
These are names I'd start with.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Aug 31, 2023 10:50:00 GMT -5
Mhmm, mhmmm...and is Dave Dombrowski in the room with us right now? No, but if the Phillies win the World Series he'll live in Henry's head rent-free. I'm not so sure he's dwelling on decisions that were made four years ago (and we're worse off than I thought, if that's the case), but that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 31, 2023 10:50:04 GMT -5
Pretty stunning thing noted in a WEEI article just posted - record for the team the last three Augusts
2021 - 12-16 2022 - 12-16 2023 - 13-15
2020 - 9-18 - the weird COVID onset year)
Can't read TOO much into this, but it does bring to mind impact (or not) of trade deadline activities. Also brings to mind Cora's ability to motivate late in the season in a key stretch.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 31, 2023 11:07:32 GMT -5
Once the regular season is over (I will follow the Red Sox closely until then) - my interest will lie with Baltimore (love the ballpark, glad to see them finally doing well) and Seattle (we lived there for a year, our daughter still does - they are also deserving), but won't pay much attention to the NL teams (but as always love to see Mookie doing well) Yeah. Loved the O's and M's as well. O's since Weaver was GM and M's for strange reason.. because imo, they have the best pbp announcer in the game, Dave Simms. Sox this year are cooked. this isn't the 77-78 team, which had 3-4 future HOF guys and explosive teams capable of blowing away opponents at any time to make up lost ground now. Last week was brutal.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 31, 2023 11:12:25 GMT -5
Pretty stunning thing noted in a WEEI article just posted - record for the team the last three Augusts 2021 - 12-16 2022 - 12-16 2023 - 13-15 2020 - 9-18 - the weird COVID onset year) Can't read TOO much into this, but it does bring to mind impact (or not) of trade deadline activities. Also brings to mind Cora's ability to motivate late in the season in a key stretch. Can't read anything at all into that. Especially considering the inclusion of 2021 there - a season where they obviously got hotter after August. And of course we don't know what will happen in 2023.
Meanwhile, this idea that the team might be demotivated just seems bananas to me. First of all, I just find it implausible that professional athletes who are all driven like crazy monsters to compete could just get kinda sad and give up when they're still in a playoff race. Second, we don't even have the grousing veterans like we did last season to justify the theory. And finally, watching the guys play in this series, the motivation did not look like it was the least bit lacking; the pitching did. (Does anyone think Crawford or Barraclough had bad games because they weren't motivated? Why would you think that?)
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Post by manfred on Aug 31, 2023 11:15:52 GMT -5
I don't see how Cora survives this. When the team should be hitting its stride and are finally pretty healthy they are shooting themselves in the foot too often. I think I'm ready to move on. There's an old anecdote that during the Civil War some Congressmen met with Abraham Lincoln to plead that General McClellan should be fired as head of the Union army. At one point there's a tussle between a Senator and Lincoln, and Lincoln asks who should be McClellan’s replacement and the Senator says, “Well, anybody.” Lincoln goes, "Anybody will do for you but I must have somebody."
I think moving on from Cora is certainly defensible given the last two years, especially if there are things behind the scenes where he's just not reaching the locker room in the way that he did before (i.e. Brad Stevens). But like... I need a name of someone available to manage next year who will be better before I jump on the Fire Cora train. I'm not sure how many managers - in the presser cooker that is Boston - manage to keep a team without a real rotation and basically without a functioning shortshop for 4 months alive until the defending champs provided the knock-out blow. Good managers - especially those who can win titles and handle Boston - are in short supply. Francona has won 3 Manager of the Year Awards in Cleveland since the team let him go due to him having supposedly " completely lost his ability to motivate his increasingly lackluster team." If someone has ideas for who is Bloom's General Grant is in this scenario, I'm all ears. Of course, Grant was a washout drunk when that conversation happened. I’m not necessarily advocating firing Cora, but the lesson of Grant, I think, is greatness is often found in unexpected places and often just needs the moment to reveal itself.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 31, 2023 11:21:51 GMT -5
A manager who has a track record of winning in Boston and has a good rapport with his players and can handle the obnoxious Boston media is great and all, but an empty box could be anything. It could even be a manager who has a track record of winning in Boston and has a good rapport with his players and can handle the obnoxious Boston media!
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Post by manfred on Aug 31, 2023 11:29:12 GMT -5
A manager who has a track record of winning in Boston and has a good rapport with his players and can handle the obnoxious Boston media is great and all, but an empty box could be anything. It could even be a manager who has a track record of winning in Boston and has a good rapport with his players and can handle the obnoxious Boston media! Tito!
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Post by incandenza on Aug 31, 2023 11:46:55 GMT -5
A manager who has a track record of winning in Boston and has a good rapport with his players and can handle the obnoxious Boston media is great and all, but an empty box could be anything. It could even be a manager who has a track record of winning in Boston and has a good rapport with his players and can handle the obnoxious Boston media! Tito! The greatest of my lifetime. The worst thing they did in the mad king years was run him out of town.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 31, 2023 11:54:03 GMT -5
The greatest of my lifetime. The worst thing they did in the mad king years was run him out of town. Or Orsillo. Only half kidding because the announcer really does make a significant impact in my enjoyment of watching the games.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 31, 2023 11:55:48 GMT -5
The greatest of my lifetime. The worst thing they did in the mad king years was run him out of town. Agree. It was Lucchino who was driving ousting both Theo and Tito. And then after Lucchino was proved wrong about all of it, he was edged out of the ownership group. The org has not been the same since the two Ts left.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 31, 2023 11:58:18 GMT -5
lmao at jlebowski finally outing himself
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Aug 31, 2023 12:15:46 GMT -5
The greatest of my lifetime. The worst thing they did in the mad king years was run him out of town. Agree. It was Lucchino who was driving ousting both Theo and Tito. And then after Lucchino was proved wrong about all of it, he was edged out of the ownership group. The org has not been the same since the two Ts left. The FO smearing Tito on his way out was absolutely disgusting. I think Theo wanted out regardless, dude was completely burned out at that point
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 31, 2023 13:25:13 GMT -5
One thing is certain. Alex Cora cannot continue as manager of the Red Sox. Bloom is the guy that ownership wants to shape this team in the vision of. Cora does not mesh with Bloom. Bring in someone who will embrace analytics as manager. Experience as a major league player would be nice but not a must. Just bring in someone who meshes with Bloom.
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 31, 2023 14:02:34 GMT -5
One thing is certain. Alex Cora cannot continue as manager of the Red Sox. Bloom is the guy that ownership wants to shape this team in the vision of. Cora does not mesh with Bloom. Bring in someone who will embrace analytics as manager. Experience as a major league player would be nice but not a must. Just bring in someone who meshes with Bloom. Also with 2018 we give Cora a lot of credit, but that team was a super team and we were just grateful to get rid of Farrell: That lineup had prime Mookie, Xander, JD, Benintendi, Moreland/Pearce, and Devers was at the bottom of the lineup The rotation had Sale, Price, Porcello, Eovaldi, all close to their prime Unfortunately, we haven’t seen Cora get the most out of the players recently and even when we’re winning it’s kinda dead. The baseball season is long and we need a manager to keep them focused and motivated.
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Post by nomar on Aug 31, 2023 14:17:37 GMT -5
The Red Sox also seem to go ballistic every time they have a first year manager so there’s another reason not to fear change, albeit a superstitious one more than anything.
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 31, 2023 14:58:36 GMT -5
The Red Sox also seem to go ballistic every time they have a first year manager so there’s another reason not to fear change, albeit a superstitious one more than anything. Francona = 2004 first-year Farrell = 2013 first-year Cora = 2018 first year your math definitely checks out!
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Post by cdj on Aug 31, 2023 15:00:08 GMT -5
The Red Sox also seem to go ballistic every time they have a first year manager so there’s another reason not to fear change, albeit a superstitious one more than anything. Francona = 2004 first-year Farrell = 2013 first-year Cora = 2018 first year your math definitely checks out! Bobby V fir….nvm
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