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Post by incandenza on Sept 16, 2023 19:17:23 GMT -5
Good loss. I'm glad we threw this one. Our top 10 pick dreams AREN'T DEAD YET!! Let's go! This is not even a fun thing to follow; they're picking 11th right now and 3.5 games out of 10th, 4.5 games out of 9th. Who cares, really. Maybe that 1-in-50 shot or whatever with the lottery ball will pay out.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 16, 2023 19:19:03 GMT -5
Look at what a great situation the next guy inherits! Looking forward, in the coming years, to whether you argue that the new guy's success goes to show how much Bloom sucked or that the new guy's failure goes to show that Bloom left him a bad situation after all.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 16, 2023 19:23:29 GMT -5
The Bloom curse continues. A day late and a dollar short. The team is the epitome of playing out the string.
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Post by wildsox on Sept 16, 2023 19:47:52 GMT -5
Cora manages like he wants to loose a lot, and Bloom gets the blame. I hope Cora âcoming back next yearâ is the ball boy down the left field line. Iâm no Cora simp, but how was this his fault? If his 80 grade CF catches a ball hit right at him, Sox win. Yes, that's true. And I certainly wasn't just talking about that one play or game. It's a season long reflection. Up until this year I've really liked Cora and was very happy when we brought him back. But this year has struck different for me. It began with the insistence on playing Kiké at SS while saying he wouldn't. The Reese McGuire game really was a tipping point ending the game on a double play in a critical series and saying that it's ok we all thought the ball was gone.We haven't been the same since. I'm just aggravated that it's back to back years we are close to a playoff spot and then end up throwing in the towel
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Post by melvinhoggs on Sept 16, 2023 19:55:22 GMT -5
The loss is whatever; the Red Sox are firmly out of the territory of caring about the record.
I look to individual players – and holy smokes I can't believe how badly Yoshida has fallen off. I truly hope he is suffering from some soreness/fatigue/whatever and can remedy that in the offseason, because right now he's making even his harshest critics shake their heads.
He's probably not even going to crack 1 fWAR on the season with 550+ ABs.
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Post by manfred on Sept 16, 2023 19:56:11 GMT -5
Look at what a great situation the next guy inherits! Looking forward, in the coming years, to whether you argue that the new guy's success goes to show how much Bloom sucked or that the new guy's failure goes to show that Bloom left him a bad situation after all. I anticipate day one next year happily turning a page. New day. But if people make nonsense revisionist Bloom defenses, it will summon the kraken .
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 16, 2023 20:19:47 GMT -5
I can't believe I watched that whole thing. It was some sort of a tragicomic Greek classic play - only the 2023 Red Sox could have written that particular piece of drama.
Very encouraged by Sale - now shut him down - he ends on a high note.
Very discouraged by the bats - 5 hits in 13 innings, 2 for 15 (sorry, Incandeza) risp with 10 lob. This can't be easy to do.
I wish they could shut down Verdugo, Duvall, and Masa. Watching them at bat is becoming truly painful. Wong seems burned out exhausted. I don't see Urias as the answer - nor is Chang. If anything, Reyes has earned a spot and playing time next year.
Give Rafaela and Abreu the at bats. Give Dalbec some at bats.
Toronto really needed the game - and we gave to them.
First time under ,.500 since June 30
57-52 after the trade deadline - 74-75 after today....17-23 since the trade deadline.
We have to be better next year - because it is hard to see this team, with these players, with this payroll, be worse.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 16, 2023 21:02:35 GMT -5
Roll Sale up in bubble wrap and don't open him up until pitchers and catchers report.
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Post by yuchangclan on Sept 16, 2023 21:29:59 GMT -5
The loss is whatever; the Red Sox are firmly out of the territory of caring about the record. I look to individual players – and holy smokes I can't believe how badly Yoshida has fallen off. I truly hope he is suffering from some soreness/fatigue/whatever and can remedy that in the offseason, because right now he's making even his harshest critics shake their heads. He's probably not even going to crack 1 fWAR on the season with 550+ ABs. This is certainly one of the reasons why Bloom is gone. He cuts corners for years to have a big stack of chips. Then he pushes most of that stack in on a crappy outfielder that nobody else even valued very highly. It’s the Smartest Guy In The Room Syndrome. Bloom is gone, but we’re stuck with 4 more years of this act.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 16, 2023 22:42:49 GMT -5
Looking forward, in the coming years, to whether you argue that the new guy's success goes to show how much Bloom sucked or that the new guy's failure goes to show that Bloom left him a bad situation after all. I anticipate day one next year happily turning a page. New day. But if people make nonsense revisionist Bloom defenses, it will summon the kraken . ya, and complaining about loosing Betts since 2020 should have something a lot bigger than a kraken.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 16, 2023 22:44:52 GMT -5
Watching a marvelous Mariners Dodgers game - pitching and defense ruling (scoreless going into bottom 8).
Toronto, Texas, Houston and Seattle are having an epic approach to see who gets in, and who gets disappointed
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Post by manfred on Sept 16, 2023 22:49:01 GMT -5
I anticipate day one next year happily turning a page. New day. But if people make nonsense revisionist Bloom defenses, it will summon the kraken . ya, and complaining about loosing Betts since 2020 should have something a lot bigger than a kraken. Bloom is gone, and Mookie is still over 8 WAR. 🐙
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 16, 2023 22:55:14 GMT -5
ya, and complaining about loosing Betts since 2020 should have something a lot bigger than a kraken. Bloom is gone, and Mookie is still over 8 WAR. 🐙 ….and you will continue to beat that dead horse to infinity and beyond….. You bring up the past more than most exes…..1.0
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Post by manfred on Sept 16, 2023 23:08:38 GMT -5
Bloom is gone, and Mookie is still over 8 WAR. 🐙 ….and you will continue to beat that dead horse to infinity and beyond….. You bring up the past more than most exes…..1.0 Uhh… you brought it up.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 17, 2023 5:59:22 GMT -5
Good loss. I'm glad we threw this one. Our top 10 pick dreams AREN'T DEAD YET!! Let's go! This is not even a fun thing to follow; they're picking 11th right now and 3.5 games out of 10th, 4.5 games out of 9th. Who cares, really. Maybe that 1-in-50 shot or whatever with the lottery ball will pay out. I think it's clear that, if the team isn't in the playoffs, I value incremental movements in draft position more than most. I value it for two reasons: In the first round, even down the board, one or two positions may be the difference between a highly desirable player sliding to you, or not. This seems to have happened twice for us in the past 3 years: Mayer in 2021, Teel this year. No, it doesn't always make a significant difference, but it can. And I value more than most the fact that incremental movements toward the front of the draft order can potentially make a difference in EVERY round. Then there's the accompanying benefit that every step earlier in the draft increases the draft money pool, but I worry less about that than about the availability of players available.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 17, 2023 9:13:54 GMT -5
Bloom is gone, and Mookie is still over 8 WAR. 🐙 ….and you will continue to beat that dead horse to infinity and beyond….. You bring up the past more than most exes…..1.0 A good way to stop complaining about the Mookie trade is to give the fans a team that is consistently in the playoff picture. They have one star player on this team after trading Mookie and never even came close to replacing him. Thats why people keep harping on it.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 17, 2023 9:38:48 GMT -5
This is not even a fun thing to follow; they're picking 11th right now and 3.5 games out of 10th, 4.5 games out of 9th. Who cares, really. Maybe that 1-in-50 shot or whatever with the lottery ball will pay out. I think it's clear that, if the team isn't in the playoffs, I value incremental movements in draft position more than most. I value it for two reasons: In the first round, even down the board, one or two positions may be the difference between a highly desirable player sliding to you, or not. This seems to have happened twice for us in the past 3 years: Mayer in 2021, Teel this year. No, it doesn't always make a significant difference, but it can. And I value more than most the fact that incremental movements toward the front of the draft order can potentially make a difference in EVERY round. Then there's the accompanying benefit that every step earlier in the draft increases the draft money pool, but I worry less about that than about the availability of players available. It makes a big difference at the top of the draft (picking 4th rather than 5th, say), but between 11th and 12th? There's like a 10% chance that even makes a difference as to whether you get your preferred player or not, and conditional on that it might not turn out best to get your preferred player. (I sure wish Groome and Ball hadn't been available when the Red Sox picked in those years...)
To each their own, but I'd rather just watch the team play well, finish the season with dignity, and take some positive vibes into next season. Of course, as things are going you're more likely to get something out of the remainder of the season than I am...
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Post by ephus on Sept 17, 2023 11:02:26 GMT -5
Love to see Ceddanne taking full responsibility for failing to make the play on the liner that would have ended the game. That “no excuses” attitude will play well in this market.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 17, 2023 12:38:26 GMT -5
Bobby Dalbec sighting in the lineup! Also, Rafaela yes, Abreu no in the lineup
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Post by manfred on Sept 17, 2023 12:43:02 GMT -5
What is Pivetta going to be looking at for a contract? I am so unsure of what to with him.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 17, 2023 12:47:42 GMT -5
Jays really have played some great defense against the Sox in this series.
I get the rationale for Refsnyder, but prefer Abreu.
Not sure why I still care so much for what happens in these games.
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 17, 2023 12:50:38 GMT -5
I’d like to see Bobby take Refsnyder’s role next season. The lack of power has been mind-blowing (only 1 HR which was against Springs). Also better defensive versatility and baserunning from Bobby, I think that would be an upgrade
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 17, 2023 12:55:20 GMT -5
Jays really have played some great defense against the Sox in this series. I get the rationale for Refsnyder, but prefer Abreu. Not sure why I still care so much for what happens in these games. We are die hard Sox fans round here. To not care is not an option !!
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Post by manfred on Sept 17, 2023 12:56:35 GMT -5
This series has reminded me of how badly the Jays have underperformed. Ryu, Bassitt, Gausman, Manaoh, and Kikuchi? Going into the season seems like a layup.
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Post by station13 on Sept 17, 2023 12:57:42 GMT -5
LMAO that is epic failure
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