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Post by manfred on Sept 17, 2023 20:24:59 GMT -5
Texas, by the way, not looking too hot with their picks of Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker at #2 and #3 in consecutive drafts. Jackson Jobe, who the Tigers took right in front of Marcelo Mayer, currently has a 45+ rating at fangraphs. I’d still be pretty excited to have Leiter and/or Rocker. That book is not closed.
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 17, 2023 20:29:43 GMT -5
Texas, by the way, not looking too hot with their picks of Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker at #2 and #3 in consecutive drafts. Jackson Jobe, who the Tigers took right in front of Marcelo Mayer, currently has a 45+ rating at fangraphs. I’d still be pretty excited to have Leiter and/or Rocker. That book is not closed. And I think Jobe is far from a bust, I still think he has high upside. Another injury for him will tank his stock though
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 17, 2023 20:33:41 GMT -5
Welp,we got 3 really good starting pitcher performances this weekend, all from guys under contract for 2024. I'll take that as a win ! Not really sure what you mean by that but I would not base anything for pitching for 2024 than one series in 2023 in Toronto. We need at least 2 top to middle of the rotation starters and possibly even a third starter added. Bello is the only reliable middle to top of the rotation starter we have. The rest are at best middle to back end and I'd include Sale on that list simply because you cannot depend on him to be healthy and even when healthy this year he's been a bit erratic with great starts off-set by terrible ones. He needs to consistently hit his spots now that his fast ball is not as over powering as it once was. What I mean by that is that my feel good take away from this series is the three quality starts against a team fighting for its playoff life. Simple as that. I do not base any observations of players on SSS. I am in hopes that Pivetta can come back next season as a starter. I hope for a fully healthy season from Sale. These guys could be #4 and #5. I fully understand, as you do, that two more starters are needed. I am in hopes that the guy the Sox are facing tomorrow night, Montgomery, might be one of them !!
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 17, 2023 20:35:45 GMT -5
Texas, by the way, not looking too hot with their picks of Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker at #2 and #3 in consecutive drafts. Jackson Jobe, who the Tigers took right in front of Marcelo Mayer, currently has a 45+ rating at fangraphs. I’d still be pretty excited to have Leiter and/or Rocker. That book is not closed. I'll trade Yorke or Romero for any one of those three.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 17, 2023 20:56:42 GMT -5
Texas, by the way, not looking too hot with their picks of Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker at #2 and #3 in consecutive drafts. Jackson Jobe, who the Tigers took right in front of Marcelo Mayer, currently has a 45+ rating at fangraphs. Jobe is gonna rank highly this offseason, he's been a monster since coming back from injury,
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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 17, 2023 21:29:43 GMT -5
Another day, another step closer to a better draft pick. Maybe the new regime will encourage the drafting of a high floor college starter this time !! Worked out great for late 2010s Kansas City
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 18, 2023 7:13:33 GMT -5
Texas, by the way, not looking too hot with their picks of Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker at #2 and #3 in consecutive drafts. Jackson Jobe, who the Tigers took right in front of Marcelo Mayer, currently has a 45+ rating at fangraphs. I’d still be pretty excited to have Leiter and/or Rocker. That book is not closed. Rocker just had TJ which is something most people said he should have gotten 2 years ago. I'd easily take any of those 3 though. Jobe was supposed to be a project and now seems like he's rounding into form.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 18, 2023 7:37:37 GMT -5
Jack Leiter has been extremely underwhelming for two years in AA as a 23 year old now who was supposed to be a quick riser. Rocker is damaged goods and has been for years. I don't understand why anyone would say they'd trade Yorke for either one of them straight up but I am a Yorke fan and think he's flying a bit under the radar around here.
A 21 year old Yorke at AA put up a 116 wRC+ and to me it sounds like his defense is at least looking to be average at 2nd base. I still think he is going to have a nice ML career.
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Post by manfred on Sept 18, 2023 8:04:48 GMT -5
Jack Leiter has been extremely underwhelming for two years in AA as a 23 year old now who was supposed to be a quick riser. Rocker is damaged goods and has been for years. I don't understand why anyone would say they'd trade Yorke for either one of them straight up but I am a Yorke fan and think he's flying a bit under the radar around here. A 21 year old Yorke at AA put up a 116 wRC+ and to me it sounds like his defense is at least looking to be average at 2nd base. I still think he is going to have a nice ML career. I was not one who said that… but I don’t dismiss it. Leiter has been wild. If my team said they think it’s fixable, I might make that trade. I would rather have a pitching prospect (and they do exist) than a 2b prospect. In fact, the question to me is: would the Rangers do it?
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 18, 2023 8:26:56 GMT -5
Jack Leiter has been extremely underwhelming for two years in AA as a 23 year old now who was supposed to be a quick riser. Rocker is damaged goods and has been for years. I don't understand why anyone would say they'd trade Yorke for either one of them straight up but I am a Yorke fan and think he's flying a bit under the radar around here. A 21 year old Yorke at AA put up a 116 wRC+ and to me it sounds like his defense is at least looking to be average at 2nd base. I still think he is going to have a nice ML career. I was not one who said that… but I don’t dismiss it. Leiter has been wild. If my team said they think it’s fixable, I might make that trade. I would rather have a pitching prospect (and they do exist) than a 2b prospect. In fact, the question to me is: would the Rangers do it? Far as I can tell the Sox pitching development haven't done that great of a job of fixing pitchers "wildness" so I personally wouldn't really bank on them being able to fix it. He's walking over 5 per 9 innings, that's not going to get it done at the MLB level at all. Perhaps he's been working on his secondaries more though so maybe there is some hope he can get it better, it almost can't get any worse than 5+ BB/9 so I guess he perhaps only has room to go but up there? Admittedly I don't know much about him other than what his scouting report was coming out of college and what his #s look like on Fangraphs.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 18, 2023 8:40:26 GMT -5
On Rocker:
Maybe this sounds good to some of you, but if the Red Sox picked #2 and #3 in consecutive drafts and this is what they came away with I'd be pretty disappointed.
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Post by manfred on Sept 18, 2023 8:43:36 GMT -5
On Rocker:
Maybe this sounds good to some of you, but if the Red Sox picked #2 and #3 in consecutive drafts and this is what they came away with I'd be pretty disappointed.
Not necessarily, but… would you trade a #17 pick soxprospects describes as a “bat first utility type” for a guy still projected to be a backend starter on a contender? Hardly seems unreasonable.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 18, 2023 8:54:06 GMT -5
On Rocker:
Maybe this sounds good to some of you, but if the Red Sox picked #2 and #3 in consecutive drafts and this is what they came away with I'd be pretty disappointed.
Not necessarily, but… would you trade a #17 pick soxprospects describes as a “bat first utility type” for a guy still projected to be a backend starter on a contender? Hardly seems unreasonable. That one's debatable, but I probably would not. (I'm mildly high on Yorke.) But the original claim was that Texas did poorly with their draft picks, so if the Red Sox didn't quite do as well with their 17th pick a year before it doesn't really disprove the point; on the other hand, oldfaithful's comment was that they'd trade Yorke for Leiter *or Rocker*, and I absolutely would not do the latter.
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Post by manfred on Sept 18, 2023 9:02:47 GMT -5
Not necessarily, but… would you trade a #17 pick soxprospects describes as a “bat first utility type” for a guy still projected to be a backend starter on a contender? Hardly seems unreasonable. That one's debatable, but I probably would not. (I'm mildly high on Yorke.) But the original claim was that Texas did poorly with their draft picks, so if the Red Sox didn't quite do as well with their 17th pick a year before it doesn't really disprove the point; on the other hand, oldfaithful's comment was that they'd trade Yorke for Leiter *or Rocker*, and I absolutely would not do the latter. I hear you… they can’t be psyched. But I’d be happy to help them!! I might consider Yorke for Rocker depending on the medicals. The Sox are not exactly hurting for MI prospects, but pitching has always been an issue. I also would need to know Yorke’s relative value... could he be in a better trade?
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Post by scottysmalls on Sept 18, 2023 10:10:16 GMT -5
On Rocker:
Maybe this sounds good to some of you, but if the Red Sox picked #2 and #3 in consecutive drafts and this is what they came away with I'd be pretty disappointed.
Not sure when those were last updated, but Leiter's having a terrible year (at least he has not seemed to improve since the write up happened), for the second year in a row, in AA, I imagine his stock will be down more this off-season. Rocker has only pitched 28 innings this year but was really good in them, being shelved again though means he'll be 24 years old in high A coming off TJ, not great.
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