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9/28-10/1 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by yuchangclan on Sept 28, 2023 21:43:43 GMT -5
If you’re mad about this team losing, I can’t help you. This all about getting the best possible draft position. Full. Stop. It pisses me off for a lot of reasons: 1. The young guys are getting acclimated to a losing “who gives a shit?” culture. 2. The veterans are setting a bad example for the young guys 3. The manager looks incompetent 4. Ownership and all the coaches look incompetent 5. The Yankees finishing strong gives them something to build on(will finish above .500 and not in last). 6. The draft is a crapshoot. Especially in the middle of the first round. Will they take the next Jay Groome instead of Josh Lowe this time around at 12 instead of 13? I have zero confidence that they will get this(or any) draft pick right. Moving up 1-3 slots means nothing to me. It’s not necessarily an indictment of them so much as the entire draft process. I could go on, but you get the idea. You play to win the game. |
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 28, 2023 21:51:06 GMT -5
Cora stinks as a manager. I would not have brought him back after the suspension. He makes bad decisions constantly. The Red Sox succeeded in 2018 despite Cora. The only thing he did successfully this year is get Bloom fired. Management is stupid if they bring him back. That said, IMO, when a new PBO/GM (whatever they decide the title will be) is hired, the FO will say Cora is out for ‘personal reasons’. They are allowed to change their minds. Oh, they're not just bringing him back. It's a perquisite that the GM have a positive relationship with Cora since he's going to be forced upon whomever takes the job. The most important role of an organization and they're going to make sure they get the best GM for the manager, not the best GM available. What a colossal disaster waiting to happen, but because they're going to spend this off-season (which I always felt like was the plan regardless of Bloom), they'll win games and make the Wild Card and everyone will think it's because of this new dynamic when in reality they just spent a bunch of money and likely traded good/great prospects to get there. Which I think anyone could have done (being a little harsh, would need to see the actual trades to fairly critique it). For the 10000th time we are all freaking out over nothing. CORA IS TECHNICALLY UNDER CONTRACT FOR NEXT YEAR! Just like bloom was. Until Bloom was no longer with the team. Good christ its like Weei here. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 28, 2023 21:58:01 GMT -5
If you’re mad about this team losing, I can’t help you. This all about getting the best possible draft position. Full. Stop. It pisses me off for a lot of reasons: 1. The young guys are getting acclimated to a losing “who gives a shit?” culture. 2. The veterans are setting a bad example for the young guys 3. The manager looks incompetent 4. Ownership and all the coaches look incompetent 5. The Yankees finishing strong gives them something to build on(will finish above .500 and not in last). 6. The draft is a crapshoot. Especially in the middle of the first round. Will they take the next Jay Groome instead of Josh Lowe this time around at 12 instead of 13? I have zero confidence that they will get this(or any) draft pick right. Moving up 1-3 slots means nothing to me. It’s not necessarily an indictment of them so much as the entire draft process. I could go on, but you get the idea. You play to win the game. You absolutely do not play to win the game when you are already eliminated and the wins are meaningless. As an example, the Jets won their last game of 2020 to move out of the #1 overall pick slot and got stuck with Zach Wilson instead of getting Trevor Lawrence. Absolutely bananas to think this team should win any games from here on out. Obviously our example isn't extreme. The difference in slot value between the 9th and the 11th pick is $1.3M. That is more than enough money to buy a high rated high school kid out of his commitment. Not to mention there is a 13.2% increase in our chances to get a top 6 draft pick in the lottery if we finish ninth (23.1% chance at a top 6 pick) vs. if we finish 11th (9.9% chance at a top 6 pick) |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 28, 2023 21:59:11 GMT -5
Bring back John Farrell!
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 28, 2023 22:02:38 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Sept 28, 2023 22:02:57 GMT -5
Hire Mike McDaniel
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Post by foreverred9 on Sept 28, 2023 22:04:32 GMT -5
I think we now have more posts from after the game than during the game.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 28, 2023 22:13:49 GMT -5
Oh, they're not just bringing him back. It's a perquisite that the GM have a positive relationship with Cora since he's going to be forced upon whomever takes the job. The most important role of an organization and they're going to make sure they get the best GM for the manager, not the best GM available. What a colossal disaster waiting to happen, but because they're going to spend this off-season (which I always felt like was the plan regardless of Bloom), they'll win games and make the Wild Card and everyone will think it's because of this new dynamic when in reality they just spent a bunch of money and likely traded good/great prospects to get there. Which I think anyone could have done (being a little harsh, would need to see the actual trades to fairly critique it). For the 10000th time we are all freaking out over nothing. CORA IS TECHNICALLY UNDER CONTRACT FOR NEXT YEAR! Just like bloom was. Until Bloom was no longer with the team. Good christ its like Weei here. They can easily fire him. Managers have been fired with term left plenty of times. Cora was very blunt in his statement that he'll be back which means he's relaying what has been told to him. Which means the reports of finding a GM that works well with Cora all the more likely. If he had 3+ years that'd be one thing, but 1 year is nothing if they wanted to move on. Cora could have said, "we'll see" or "next year is next year" or anything. He said over and over again he'll be back with the club next year. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 28, 2023 22:21:33 GMT -5
For the 10000th time we are all freaking out over nothing. CORA IS TECHNICALLY UNDER CONTRACT FOR NEXT YEAR! Just like bloom was. Until Bloom was no longer with the team. Good christ its like Weei here. They can easily fire him. Managers have been fired with term left plenty of times. Cora was very blunt in his statement that he'll be back which means he's relaying what has been told to him. Which means the reports of finding a GM that works well with Cora all the more likely. If he had 3+ years that'd be one thing, but 1 year is nothing if they wanted to move on. Cora could have said, "we'll see" or "next year is next year" or anything. He said over and over again he'll be back with the club next year. Most people under contract don't undermine themselves and say anything but I expect to be here. Doc Rivers was under contract with the Sixers after the playoffs last year in the NBA and after the loss he told everyone I'll be here next year. And he was fired. It's all meaningless until a new management team is in place and confirms Cora will be back or fires him. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 28, 2023 22:56:14 GMT -5
I think we now have more posts from after the game than during the game. 3 hits will do that for ya The team quit the games so the forum quit the gdts |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 28, 2023 23:06:59 GMT -5
They can easily fire him. Managers have been fired with term left plenty of times. Cora was very blunt in his statement that he'll be back which means he's relaying what has been told to him. Which means the reports of finding a GM that works well with Cora all the more likely. If he had 3+ years that'd be one thing, but 1 year is nothing if they wanted to move on. Cora could have said, "we'll see" or "next year is next year" or anything. He said over and over again he'll be back with the club next year. Most people under contract don't undermine themselves and say anything but I expect to be here. Doc Rivers was under contract with the Sixers after the playoffs last year in the NBA and after the loss he told everyone I'll be here next year. And he was fired. It's all meaningless until a new management team is in place and confirms Cora will be back or fires him. No, but the way Cora stated he was going to be here makes me believe it. He could have said, "I intend to be here" or just refered to his contract. He didn't even say he expected to be here. He said he will be. He was very adamant about it. In regards to Doc, he referred back to his contract. He also did mention that no one was safe in their business. www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38507272/alex-cora-future-red-sox-here-next-yearI'll be stunned if he isn't. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 29, 2023 4:53:59 GMT -5
I think we now have more posts from after the game than during the game. Lol |
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 29, 2023 5:28:30 GMT -5
4-17 is a disgusting month, but they literally have half the 2023 WooSox lineup out there (Dalbec, Valdez, Rafaela, Abreu). There were calls after the Barraclough game to wave the white flag and play the kids. They’re doing literally that, which is why Rafaela played CF tonight over Duvall, Valdez played 2B over Pablo Reyes, and Zack Kelly came into the 8th inning of a 1 run game instead of like Garrett Whitlock. Their prime focus right isn’t to win games, they’re auditioning guys for next year. I don’t get it - isn’t this what people asked for? This is most definitely what everyone was asking for. This an audition for next year and right now the only guy who looks like he might be ready is Abreu. It should also help them work on adjustments they will need to make it and stick in the big leagues. Valdez his fielding, Rafaela his approach. Which is what it says in both their scouting reports. I would play them the rest of the games even if the Sox don't score another run. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 29, 2023 5:52:45 GMT -5
On the brightside sale ended his 2023 season healthy and hopefully is ready to go for a bounce back 2024?
At this point hopefully we can say the same for just about everyone else in the org? No major surgeries that should impede anyone's off season programs that I can think of anyway.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 29, 2023 7:47:45 GMT -5
I stayed up to see Seattle walk off Texas. How refreshing to see 2 teams at the top of their game battling it out. Remedied the sour taste of watching our DOA offense
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 29, 2023 9:05:17 GMT -5
On the brightside sale ended his 2023 season healthy and hopefully is ready to go for a bounce back 2024? At this point hopefully we can say the same for just about everyone else in the org? No major surgeries that should impede anyone's off season programs that I can think of anyway. Duran and that toe. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 29, 2023 9:09:32 GMT -5
On the brightside sale ended his 2023 season healthy and hopefully is ready to go for a bounce back 2024? At this point hopefully we can say the same for just about everyone else in the org? No major surgeries that should impede anyone's off season programs that I can think of anyway. Oh yea I stand corrected, I spaced on that one. I'm not sure I remember reading much on what the timeline was on that. Looks like he had surgery about a month ago so hopefully it was early enough to allow him to get at least a somewhat normal-ish offseason and come back strong next year. Still though, if he's the only one that's not a horrible outcome for the health of the players at the end of the season. |
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Post by ephus on Sept 29, 2023 10:30:40 GMT -5
If you’re mad about this team losing, I can’t help you. This all about getting the best possible draft position. Full. Stop. It pisses me off for a lot of reasons: 1. The young guys are getting acclimated to a losing “who gives a shit?” culture. 2. The veterans are setting a bad example for the young guys 3. The manager looks incompetent 4. Ownership and all the coaches look incompetent 5. The Yankees finishing strong gives them something to build on(will finish above .500 and not in last). 6. The draft is a crapshoot. Especially in the middle of the first round. Will they take the next Jay Groome instead of Josh Lowe this time around at 12 instead of 13? I have zero confidence that they will get this(or any) draft pick right. Moving up 1-3 slots means nothing to me. It’s not necessarily an indictment of them so much as the entire draft process. I could go on, but you get the idea. You play to win the game. Ah yes, I remember how young Eddy Rodriguez, Mookie Betts and JBJ were trained to enjoy losing and not care as young major leaguers in 2015 and 2016, amidst a culture of below-.500 baseball. Yes. Young You don't make it as far as Wilyer and Ceddane and Casas and Wong and the rest if you adopt a "who gives a shit" culture. Of couurse the draft is a crapshoot, but you sure as heck have better odds at 7, 8 or 9 than you do at 13 or 14. Come on now. |
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 29, 2023 11:16:31 GMT -5
If the game gets washed out tonight, will it be made up? (Does it matter to Baltimore?)
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Post by yuchangclan on Sept 29, 2023 12:37:32 GMT -5
JD Martinez with 32HR’s and 100RBI’s in 110 games. Monster year! I didn’t know he still had it in him. Good to see.
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Post by gerry on Sept 29, 2023 12:43:24 GMT -5
It pisses me off for a lot of reasons: 1. The young guys are getting acclimated to a losing “who gives a shit?” culture. 2. The veterans are setting a bad example for the young guys 3. The manager looks incompetent 4. Ownership and all the coaches look incompetent 5. The Yankees finishing strong gives them something to build on(will finish above .500 and not in last). 6. The draft is a crapshoot. Especially in the middle of the first round. Will they take the next Jay Groome instead of Josh Lowe this time around at 12 instead of 13? I have zero confidence that they will get this(or any) draft pick right. Moving up 1-3 slots means nothing to me. It’s not necessarily an indictment of them so much as the entire draft process. I could go on, but you get the idea. You play to win the game. Ah yes, I remember how young Eddy Rodriguez, Mookie Betts and JBJ were trained to enjoy losing and not care as young major leaguers in 2015 and 2016, amidst a culture of below-.500 baseball. Yes. Young You don't make it as far as Wilyer and Ceddane and Casas and Wong and the rest if you adopt a "who gives a shit" culture. Of couurse the draft is a crapshoot, but you sure as heck have better odds at 7, 8 or 9 than you do at 13 or 14. Come on now. I can agree that the manager looks incompetent, and has been spectacularly so in his management of the bullpen and unwillingness to play for a win. Nor is he holding the troops together very well. And his petty spats vs Bloom and players IMO hurt the team. I hope the Sox can do better/and or the new PBO can pick his own manager and coaching staff. I don’t believe the players have mailed it in. Abreu, Bello, Bernardino, Crawford, Dalbec, Duvall, Houck, Kelly, McGuire, Murphy, Rafaela, Reyes, Walter, Whitlock, Winckowski, Wong are, each and every one, fighting for jobs. Why would they be quitters? We have been thru crappy seasons before. I grew up on, and am therefore comfortable with “wait til next year”. Especially in the knowledge that this ownership group will continue to win again and again. Glad this is over but anticipate missing Sox games as early as next week. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 29, 2023 12:48:54 GMT -5
JD Martinez with 32HR’s and 100RBI’s in 110 games. Monster year! I didn’t know he still had it in him. Good to see. His stat line is a bit funky at least to me, if you had told me before the season that JD would have his lowest BB%(7.3%) since 2014 and his highest K%(30.8%) of his career I'd have figured he'd be DFA'd by June. Yet 32 HRs and 100 RBI in just 110 games is impressive. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 29, 2023 13:00:11 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 29, 2023 13:11:39 GMT -5
Sale finished at 2.1 WAR. Don't think you can complain about that at this point.
He's got a $20 million option for 2025 ($5 million is deferred 15 years, so the AAV is probably like 18.5 or something). Prob around 50/50 that gets picked up in a year.
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Post by manfred on Sept 29, 2023 13:17:45 GMT -5
Sale finished at 2.1 WAR. Don't think you can complain about that at this point. He's got a $20 million option for 2025 ($5 million is deferred 15 years, so the AAV is probably like 18.5 or something). Prob around 50/50 that gets picked up in a year. The question with Sale is always health. He appears to be making good adjustments from power pitcher to crafty lefty. $20 mill is increasingly a reasonable price, if he can start 22+ times. If he could — please God — pitch a full season, he could still be a steal at that price. |
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