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Post by incandenza on Oct 22, 2023 13:38:29 GMT -5
I don’t get why people are dumping on Astros-Phils. A rematch is exciting. They have tons of exciting players. They don’t much like each other. The Astros are a good villain. The Phillies fans have earned a reward. It isn’t bad. The Phillies are a legitimately fun team. I dunno, I just like to get fresh blood in the World Series (and the Astros in particular are a stale presence). Failing that, I like to see games played in aesthetically pleasing ballparks. Remaining options are poor in that regard.
Rangers-Phillies would be pretty fun.
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Post by manfred on Oct 22, 2023 14:43:55 GMT -5
I don’t get why people are dumping on Astros-Phils. A rematch is exciting. They have tons of exciting players. They don’t much like each other. The Astros are a good villain. The Phillies fans have earned a reward. It isn’t bad. The Phillies are a legitimately fun team. I dunno, I just like to get fresh blood in the World Series (and the Astros in particular are a stale presence). Failing that, I like to see games played in aesthetically pleasing ballparks. Remaining options are poor in that regard.
Rangers-Phillies would be pretty fun.
That is my (fading) hope. I do love seeing teams who have never won. Not feeling confident, though.
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Post by yuchangclan on Oct 22, 2023 19:15:46 GMT -5
We are somehow going to manage having both a wildly unpredictable and even totally random outcome in each series, with all the best teams getting bounced early, and the most boring possible World Series scenario of just repeating the same two teams from last year. I know they aren’t a new franchise, but the D-Backs still FEEL like an expansion team to me. Any matchup in the WS involving them would be the worst case scenario(as a fan).
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Post by bluechip on Oct 22, 2023 19:17:42 GMT -5
We are somehow going to manage having both a wildly unpredictable and even totally random outcome in each series, with all the best teams getting bounced early, and the most boring possible World Series scenario of just repeating the same two teams from last year. I know they aren’t a new franchise, but the D-Backs still FEEL like an expansion team to me. Any matchup in the WS involving them would be the worst case scenario(as a fan). They have a solid history. That 2001 (which was much more like an expansion team) was star studded and a fun team to watch.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 22, 2023 19:23:08 GMT -5
Is it just me that sees Yordan Alvarez as the new David Ortiz?
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Post by tizzle on Oct 22, 2023 19:56:13 GMT -5
Is it just me that sees Yordan Alvarez as the new David Ortiz? I have heard media types make that case at least 5 times, so no, I don't think it's just you.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 22, 2023 20:08:55 GMT -5
Is it just me that sees Yordan Alvarez as the new David Ortiz? More glare-y though. Not so much the megawatt personality.
But a heck of a hitter. He's got the highest wRC+ among all active players, 166. One point better than Judge. David Ortiz never even rose to that level.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 22, 2023 20:11:43 GMT -5
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Post by asm19 on Oct 22, 2023 20:30:16 GMT -5
2018: Astros fans interfere with Mookie trying to make a catch and say, "If Boston wins this series, then Joe West is the MVP.”
2023: Astros fans give Kyle Tucker all the space in the world to try to make a catch at the wall and he jumps 6 inches.
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Post by tizzle on Oct 22, 2023 20:37:02 GMT -5
That was big coming back from 2-0 with Yordan on deck.
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Post by tizzle on Oct 22, 2023 20:41:41 GMT -5
I don't think 3 runs is gonna be enough, personally.
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Post by yuchangclan on Oct 22, 2023 20:59:25 GMT -5
One last meltdown from the Texas bullpen incoming?
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Post by incandenza on Oct 22, 2023 21:15:13 GMT -5
Fourth time through the order or no, I'd trust Eovaldi more than the bullpen here.
ADD: Posted literally while the pitch was on the way to getting that DP, tyvm.
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Post by tizzle on Oct 22, 2023 22:05:59 GMT -5
Ha ha. Love to see Garica get that one in Houston. He looked completely beaten mentally before that. Wish I could watch game 7.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 22, 2023 22:06:29 GMT -5
What a crazy ninth (in a seven run game). A grand slam followed by a home run robbery.
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Post by tizzle on Oct 22, 2023 22:12:20 GMT -5
Home team still haven't won......
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Post by asm19 on Oct 22, 2023 22:13:36 GMT -5
For Game 7, Rangers likely have Max Scherzer vs Javier. I wonder if Bruce Bochy will think back to a different Game 7 tomorrow night:
“Bumgarner will be available to pitch in relief despite throwing 117 pitches Sunday night in Game 5 while pitching a four-hit shutout at San Francisco. He has been the star of the postseason, going 4-1 with a 1.13 ERA in six starts and holding the Royals to one run in 16 innings while winning two starts in the World Series.
‘It's his normal throw day (between starts) and he would throw 40-50 pitches in the bullpen,’ Bochy said Wednesday afternoon. ‘He's set to go, says he feels greats. I don't know how much we'll use if we do use him. It's all going to depend on how he feels.’”
Jordan Montgomery will be on two days rest as of tomorrow night.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 22, 2023 22:50:45 GMT -5
Is it just me that sees Yordan Alvarez as the new David Ortiz? More glare-y though. Not so much the megawatt personality. But a heck of a hitter. He's got the highest wRC+ among all active players, 166. One point better than Judge. David Ortiz never even rose to that level.
I was thinking more among the lines of a hulking lefty DH who is a great hitter with tremendous power who also rises to the occasion in the postseason and puts total fear into opposing pitchers.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 22, 2023 22:51:47 GMT -5
For Game 7, Rangers likely have Max Scherzer vs Javier. I wonder if Bruce Bochy will think back to a different Game 7 tomorrow night: “Bumgarner will be available to pitch in relief despite throwing 117 pitches Sunday night in Game 5 while pitching a four-hit shutout at San Francisco. He has been the star of the postseason, going 4-1 with a 1.13 ERA in six starts and holding the Royals to one run in 16 innings while winning two starts in the World Series. ‘It's his normal throw day (between starts) and he would throw 40-50 pitches in the bullpen,’ Bochy said Wednesday afternoon. ‘He's set to go, says he feels greats. I don't know how much we'll use if we do use him. It's all going to depend on how he feels.’” Jordan Montgomery will be on two days rest as of tomorrow night. All hands on deck, for both sides. Maybe Verlander goes an inning if need be.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 23, 2023 9:03:36 GMT -5
Eovaldi's probably only got about 5 innings in him tonight.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 23, 2023 11:24:37 GMT -5
I can't help but watch Eovaldi and think to myself that if the Sox had brought him back they'd only need one more top notch starter rather than 2. With Eovaldi's lack of durability they'd still need a depth starter but that's the case with most starters these days as 150 innings seems to be a tall task
It's funny. When Dombrowski brought back Eovaldi I kind of thought it might be a thank you contract, but honestly, Eovaldi is simply flat out, a damn good pitcher, and a big game pitcher at that.
He's not probably going to be a Cy Young candidate and you know hell miss tine, but its not like hes being paid 30 million for his 125 - 150 innings. I'm just impressed with him. Really wished the Sox hadnt gone over the limit in 22 and spent the money in 23 and felt they couldnt wait for him or go over the limit again.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 23, 2023 11:30:44 GMT -5
I have trouble imagining Scherzer pitching well tonight or the Rangers pen holding down the Astros. I mean, is Dunning the first guy out of the pen?
I also think Philly should handle AZ with relative ease in front of a lively crowd.
I could easily be wrong, certainly wouldnt be the first time, but I think the rematch will get set tonight.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 23, 2023 11:35:19 GMT -5
I can't help but watch Eovaldi and think to myself that if the Sox had brought him back they'd only need one more top notch starter rather than 2. With Eovaldi's lack of durability they'd still need a depth starter but that's the case with most starters these days as 150 innings seems to be a tall task It's funny. When Dombrowski brought back Eovaldi I kind of thought it might be a thank you contract, but honestly, Eovaldi is simply flat out, a damn good pitcher, and a big game pitcher at that. He's not probably going to be a Cy Young candidate and you know hell miss tine, but its not like hes being paid 30 million for his 125 - 150 innings. I'm just impressed with him. Really wished the Sox hadnt gone over the limit in 22 and spent the money in 23 and felt they couldnt wait for him or go over the limit again. Probably a fair point, it does sting a bit right now that supposedly he came back to them and said is that offer still on the table and they said no. I'm not sure the exact $ amount they're under the LT for 2023 but it's probably close enough that if they just signed Eovaldi for what he got and didn't sign the corpse of Corey Kluber they probably could have stayed under and done everything else they had done in last years offseason. Doesn't get them to the playoffs at least not singularly, they probably only win a handful more games with Eovaldi instead of Kluber but they'd be much better off for this coming offseason and the 2024 with Eovaldi slated into that rotation than they are without him. Bit of a bummer with the power of hindsight right now but suppose those are the breaks and what makes GMs good or not. Even then no GM ever gets everything correct, just the way it goes.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 23, 2023 11:42:06 GMT -5
I can't help but watch Eovaldi and think to myself that if the Sox had brought him back they'd only need one more top notch starter rather than 2. With Eovaldi's lack of durability they'd still need a depth starter but that's the case with most starters these days as 150 innings seems to be a tall task It's funny. When Dombrowski brought back Eovaldi I kind of thought it might be a thank you contract, but honestly, Eovaldi is simply flat out, a damn good pitcher, and a big game pitcher at that. He's not probably going to be a Cy Young candidate and you know hell miss tine, but its not like hes being paid 30 million for his 125 - 150 innings. I'm just impressed with him. Really wished the Sox hadnt gone over the limit in 22 and spent the money in 23 and felt they couldnt wait for him or go over the limit again. Probably a fair point, it does sting a bit right now that supposedly he came back to them and said is that offer still on the table and they said no. I'm not sure the exact $ amount they're under the LT for 2023 but it's probably close enough that if they just signed Eovaldi for what he got and didn't sign the corpse of Corey Kluber they probably could have stayed under and done everything else they had done in last years offseason. Doesn't get them to the playoffs at least not singularly, they probably only win a handful more games with Eovaldi instead of Kluber but they'd be much better off for this coming offseason and the 2024 with Eovaldi slated into that rotation than they are without him. Bit of a bummer with the power of hindsight right now but suppose those are the breaks and what makes GMs good or not. Even then no GM ever gets everything correct, just the way it goes. Agreed. Eovaldi by himself wasnt the difference between 78 wins and 90 wins, for sure, but now I have to question if the Sox indeed get two top tier starters, how many extra prospects in a trade for Bieber or Burnes or how much extra $ needed to sign Sonny Gray and/or Jordan Montgomery. Will there be enough money to go after an impact bat like Ohtani or enough viable prospects trade for Soto or even Trout without crippling the system? It became kind of clear to me that the Sox, other than needing 2 top starters and much better defense, could certainly use another impact bat given the long vacations the offense went on last season.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 23, 2023 12:59:04 GMT -5
I can't help but watch Eovaldi and think to myself that if the Sox had brought him back they'd only need one more top notch starter rather than 2. With Eovaldi's lack of durability they'd still need a depth starter but that's the case with most starters these days as 150 innings seems to be a tall task It's funny. When Dombrowski brought back Eovaldi I kind of thought it might be a thank you contract, but honestly, Eovaldi is simply flat out, a damn good pitcher, and a big game pitcher at that. He's not probably going to be a Cy Young candidate and you know hell miss tine, but its not like hes being paid 30 million for his 125 - 150 innings. I'm just impressed with him. Really wished the Sox hadnt gone over the limit in 22 and spent the money in 23 and felt they couldnt wait for him or go over the limit again. He sure is nails in the playoffs. But I don't feel like there's much opportunity cost in not having him going forward. He'd basically be another Sale: good if healthy, but likely to miss time. Which is not what they most need. If we're going to lament the pitchers who turned down the Red Sox making them their best offer, I'd look at Eflin first. And if we're lamenting pitchers they should have signed in general, I'd look at Senga.
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