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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 7, 2023 12:57:34 GMT -5
It used to be more based on hitting than defense but Volpe barely peeked over the Mendoza line at the end of the season. I guess now it's just a way for NY writers to pump themselves up after a 4th place finish. N.B. Trevor Story was 7th in DRS (a counting stat) with 8 despite barely playing. He trailed Volpe (who was 3rd), who had 15, despite trailing Volpe in innings played 1346 to 314. Side note: I have no idea why people on this board keep proposing that we get another SS and move Story back to 2B. If he keeps it up, why would you even move him for Mayer? Wanting to move a shortstop with good range and arm troubles to second base seems pretty rational to me. I kind of agree that in the short term, as far as allocation of resources goes, it makes more sense to fill 2B than SS. But the concern with Story isn't the immediate, it's the long term. These are good points. Also, Story was 43rd in arm strength of 57 shortstops with 100+ throws (interestingly Reyes was 42nd, Chang was 44th and Xander was 45th). Hoping the arm strength improves next season but not holding my breath.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 7, 2023 13:19:23 GMT -5
Wanting to move a shortstop with good range and arm troubles to second base seems pretty rational to me. I kind of agree that in the short term, as far as allocation of resources goes, it makes more sense to fill 2B than SS. But the concern with Story isn't the immediate, it's the long term. These are good points. Also, Story was 43rd in arm strength of 57 shortstops with 100+ throws (interestingly Reyes was 42nd, Chang was 44th and Xander was 45th). Hoping the arm strength improves next season but not holding my breath. At any time did Story's arm strength look like it was below average or concerning? Sure didn't to me.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 7, 2023 13:26:26 GMT -5
The Bronx Bunters!
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Post by chaimtime on Nov 7, 2023 13:37:32 GMT -5
These are good points. Also, Story was 43rd in arm strength of 57 shortstops with 100+ throws (interestingly Reyes was 42nd, Chang was 44th and Xander was 45th). Hoping the arm strength improves next season but not holding my breath. At any time did Story's arm strength look like it was below average or concerning? Sure didn't to me. It was stronger than Swanson and Lindor’s arms were and I don’t think anybody thinks they need to move off shortstop any time soon. And he was within half a mile per hour of Seager and Volpe. Seems like the surgery worked.
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Post by 0ap0 on Nov 7, 2023 14:30:54 GMT -5
I will never forget Boone's historic game 7 walk-off bunt that ended our dreams in 2003.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2023 14:53:05 GMT -5
At any time did Story's arm strength look like it was below average or concerning? Sure didn't to me. It was stronger than Swanson and Lindor’s arms were and I don’t think anybody thinks they need to move off shortstop any time soon. And he was within half a mile per hour of Seager and Volpe. Seems like the surgery worked. I don't think anyone in the recent posts is advocating to move him. It's that it's likely that Mayer will be the better arm at that point.
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Post by chaimtime on Nov 7, 2023 14:57:47 GMT -5
It was stronger than Swanson and Lindor’s arms were and I don’t think anybody thinks they need to move off shortstop any time soon. And he was within half a mile per hour of Seager and Volpe. Seems like the surgery worked. I don't think anyone in the recent posts is advocating to move him. It's that it's likely that Mayer will be the better arm at that point. the post that kicked off the discussion was Underwater Johnson saying “Side note: I have no idea why people on this board keep proposing that we get another SS and move Story back to 2B.” I’m not sure where they’re seeing that, but I’m just reiterating that they are correct in that confusion.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 7, 2023 17:29:04 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 7, 2023 17:45:49 GMT -5
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Nov 7, 2023 17:55:05 GMT -5
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Post by asm19 on Nov 7, 2023 18:04:50 GMT -5
oh my God this unreal
Okay cool go tell the Rangers who lost Jacob DeGrom after 5 minutes
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 7, 2023 18:10:55 GMT -5
This video got some good laughs out of me. Did not remember just how insane the Eric Gregg game was.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 7, 2023 18:14:11 GMT -5
He's not wrong that they got screwed by injuries. He's very wrong to act like that was just a stroke of fate, rather than a fairly foreseeable outcome of investing a bajillion dollars in guys like Judge, Stanton, Rodon, and Montas.
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Post by chaimtime on Nov 7, 2023 18:46:08 GMT -5
Maybe there’s a connection between guys sucking for the Yankees, then going to analytics-driven teams that have made them back into useful players, and the Yankees not being an analytically-driven team.
On the other hand, maybe they are analytically driven and saying they aren’t is cynical PR attempting to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Or maybe the people in the analytics department do a good job identifying players who may be good fits for the Yankees, but due to Cashman’s ongoing fossilization the organization is not very good at executing those plans and getting the most out of their talent.
Regardless, this is a hilarious series of statements to make and I am filled with confidence that the Yankees will continue to flounder.
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Post by radiohix on Nov 7, 2023 18:48:17 GMT -5
Cashman seemed very defensive in the videos I saw circulating on Twitter lmao
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Post by mobaz on Nov 7, 2023 22:47:35 GMT -5
Hoping the Steinbrenner Bros are so asleep they keep Boone and Cashman together forever.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 7, 2023 23:06:09 GMT -5
I will never forget Boone's historic game 7 walk-off bunt that ended our dreams in 2003. Well, the Yankees were beaten in the AL East division tie breaker game by the Cleveland Indians when Jake Taylor's surprise bunt scored Willie Mays Hayes from 2b in the movie Major League, so I can understand how that impacted them
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 8, 2023 1:27:43 GMT -5
I don't think anyone in the recent posts is advocating to move him. It's that it's likely that Mayer will be the better arm at that point. the post that kicked off the discussion was Underwater Johnson saying “Side note: I have no idea why people on this board keep proposing that we get another SS and move Story back to 2B.” I’m not sure where they’re seeing that, but I’m just reiterating that they are correct in that confusion. Some of the proposed rosters in the "predicting the roster" thread specify moving Story back to 2B with other SS being acquired from outside the org. More than I thought reasonable for a guy who was the best SS in baseball by a lot during the time he actually played if you put any faith in defensive metrics. He also looked pretty good with the naked eye.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 8, 2023 1:37:17 GMT -5
This video got some good laughs out of me. Did not remember just how insane the Eric Gregg game was. I had lived in Georgia for six years at that point and had fully adopted the Braves as my NL team (didn't hurt that they were great and an easy group of guys to root for). It was effing surreal. After years of remove though, h/t to Livan Hernandez for just repeatedly going out there and getting that strike.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 8, 2023 1:43:51 GMT -5
oh my God this unreal Okay cool go tell the Rangers who lost Jacob DeGrom after 5 minutes And the '21 Braves who lost Acuna for much of the season and their entire WS run. The longer Cashman runs the MFYs, the longer they continue to come up short, and the happier I am.
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Post by patford on Nov 8, 2023 9:33:01 GMT -5
I don't think anyone in the recent posts is advocating to move him. It's that it's likely that Mayer will be the better arm at that point. the post that kicked off the discussion was Underwater Johnson saying “Side note: I have no idea why people on this board keep proposing that we get another SS and move Story back to 2B.” I’m not sure where they’re seeing that, but I’m just reiterating that they are correct in that confusion. It's reported he ranks in the bottom third of SS when it comes to arm strength. I'm not sure if that's really important. A couple of things come to mind. Assuming the rank is determined by the fastest recorded throw by a SS during a game the thing to look at would be how tightly bunched all SS are. The other factor is accuracy. I'd assume Devers has one of the strongest arms among 3B but his errors come mainly from bad throws. And of course there's how quickly a SS gets rid of the ball to factor in. My memory of Ozzie Smith isn't that he had an absolute cannon but more that he would field the ball and it would be out of his hand all in one motion.
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Post by asm19 on Nov 8, 2023 10:46:54 GMT -5
the post that kicked off the discussion was Underwater Johnson saying “Side note: I have no idea why people on this board keep proposing that we get another SS and move Story back to 2B.” I’m not sure where they’re seeing that, but I’m just reiterating that they are correct in that confusion. Some of the proposed rosters in the "predicting the roster" thread specify moving Story back to 2B with other SS being acquired from outside the org. More than I thought reasonable for a guy who was the best SS in baseball by a lot during the time he actually played if you put any faith in defensive metrics. He also looked pretty good with the naked eye. If we get to a point where we have to tell Marcelo Mayer, "Trevor Story has divine powers at shortshop, we're gonna move you to 2B" - that feels like a good problem to have. Story turns 31 this month - figured he might just move to 2B in part just due to age/reduce wear and tear by the end of his deal so I guess we'll see. On a non-Sox related note - it sounds like the Twins are going to cut payroll? www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/twins-planning-to-reduce-payroll.htmlConsidering their two highest paid players (Correa, Buxton) are huge injury risks, that doesn't sound like the best spot to be in.
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Post by jdb on Nov 8, 2023 18:06:11 GMT -5
I wouldn’t hate Buxton with 5 years at $15.1 per left. Also wouldn’t mind kicking the tires on Kyle Farmer for 2B.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 8, 2023 18:14:19 GMT -5
I wouldn’t hate Buxton with 5 years at $15.1 per left. Also wouldn’t mind kicking the tires on Kyle Farmer for 2B. Buxton has one of the worst contracts in baseball. Dude can't stay healthy. They even tried making him DH most the year and he still got hurt and overall wasn't good. Buxton makes 0 sense unless they gave someone like Joe Ryan back with him.
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Post by jdb on Nov 8, 2023 18:32:10 GMT -5
I wouldn’t call it one of the worst in baseball. He’s been worth 70+ million the last 3 years per fangraphs and is owed roughly $75 million over 5 years. He’s snake bit with injuries I agree.
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