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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
badfishnbc
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Post by badfishnbc on Feb 2, 2024 8:47:22 GMT -5
How many teams fire most of the offensive staff after going 11-6, 10th in points and 16th in yards after your starter misses 11 games and you start 5 different QBs? Oh yeah and your star RB basically missed the whole season. Seriously sounds like an ownership issue. When digging a bit on the specifics of AVP's career, I noticed his stint with the Bills as OC was very odd. He got the gig on Sept. 4, after the previous OC was fired for a miserable preseason showing. I mean, wow. Then the team was middling-to-bad all season, and the entire coaching staff was axed.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 2, 2024 13:18:16 GMT -5
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 2, 2024 15:00:36 GMT -5
Senior bowl ... Anyone else have Michael Pratt being the top looking QB to start the Senior Bowl practice week?I've taped the practices and so far had time to watch some of it. The ND QB made the worst two passes I've seen so far: wide open WR in end zone, missed by a lot both times while rolling out right. Penix, on the other hand, had a couple of nice simple on-target throws rolling out left, one with pressure, one without. He just looks the part of a pro QB. Yet to (knowingly) see Pratt. I think I saw a couple of his nice throws on Day 1 but the production crew does a hit or miss job identifying who's throwing, who's catching, who's defending. Bad job by them. Viewing Reminder: Shrine Bowl tonight on NFL Network. One of the Ourlads scouts was impressed with Pratt: /photo/1
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 2, 2024 18:37:52 GMT -5
I literally waited till last watching tape on Michael Pratt among the top 8 guys. Why? He's basically a prototypical Patriot QB prospect under Bill, per scouting reports. That's basically true watching tape. You see why teams like him, go watch the Oklahoma tape from his 2nd year. Why? He only played two power 5 conferences games in his career and it shows his best traits. Oklahoma dominates the line, he just keeps his team in the game. He's a very quick runner, but he took monster shots in that game and that'a big worry. Was throwing mid level lasers that his receivers kept dropping.
I can see some teams thinking maybe he's a starter, his arm strength is by far the weakest of the top 8 guys. Heck Mac Jones can throw better deep passes. He's an IQ, make the right reads, play 110% gamer type QB. He likely needs time to adjust, only guy among top 8 that didn't play in a major 5 conference. Lots of things he did won't translate. 2023 tape is full of a ton of time to throw and open WRs. Plays SMU at end of year has horrible game, SMU played three 5 power teams losing all of them including to crappy TCU and Boston College. Showing you the massive difference in play level and amount of NFL type talent. Only other power 5 tape is USC Bowl game last year, but they were a horrible D that was down a bunch of talent.
Senior Bowl he was taking WR aside and talking with them, getting on same page. Crap NFL scouts will love. It's all what you want out of your QB and he certainly has traits you love. I'm just looking for more of a big play guy, but if Mayo is trying to recreate Bill system, they might like him.
BTW players voted for top players at each position on each team, Penix and Rattler were the top QB guys, not Pratt.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 3, 2024 16:46:04 GMT -5
Well outside the 1st quarter that was a crap Senior Bowl game.
Playing around with PFF and right now I have to say I really like this.
Harrison Jr. Wr
Jordan Morgan OT
Spencer Rattler QB
Then again good chance Morgan and Rattler might be gone. I like Patrick Paul at OT also in 2nd round, there is no replacement for Rattler unless guys drop a ton.
No player did more to help their draft stock than Rattler at the Senior Bowl.
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cdj
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Post by cdj on Feb 3, 2024 17:16:04 GMT -5
Ben McAdoo being brought in as an offensive assistant
Idrc either way but I like the scary movie 1 deputy Dewey vibes
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2024 12:43:52 GMT -5
Who would have guessed they go big on the Mike McCarthy pipeline? He's highly criticized as a HC, but was a very good OC and his teams always have good offenses. So I don't mind it or McAdoo. Just a lot more expensive on the offensive side and we need that with Mayo. Especially now that it looks like Stevd Belichick is leaving. He'll need to be more involved on the D side
Interviewing Packers DL coach.
Andy Dickerson Interviewing for OL coach. This might be the most important hire outside OC.
I do wonder what our OC feels about Baker Mayfield given he was his OC for two years
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 4, 2024 15:25:34 GMT -5
On today's PFF 3-rounder I went ALL MEAT: OT Alt, OT Suamataia & DT T'vondre Sweat. Build from the trenches out.
But PFF doesn't let non-subscribers trade. Given a choice I'd trade down as much as possible -- huge value there. See if I can add a couple or three more top 40-50 draftees. Don't know that this type opportunity will come along again (some will argue without an upgrade at QB it'll happen again next year -- I say, gotta get the rest of the team fortified first). Big, strong, tough, that's what I like.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 5, 2024 23:33:06 GMT -5
www.yahoo.com/sports/meyers-pats-wouldnt-budge-over-222523088.htmlI lost so much respect for him with that more of a focal point for Raiders, with Patriots just surviving and putting food of table crap line. He literally had a better 2022 season, he just missed a few games. He went from top guy to #2 to Adams. Yeah keep smoking the good stuff buddy.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 6, 2024 7:28:45 GMT -5
www.yahoo.com/sports/meyers-pats-wouldnt-budge-over-222523088.htmlI lost so much respect for him with that more of a focal point for Raiders, with Patriots just surviving and putting food of table crap line. He literally had a better 2022 season, he just missed a few games. He went from top guy to #2 to Adams. Yeah keep smoking the good stuff buddy. I'd be curious how his numbers were pre and post McDaniels and pre and post Garapollo. Maybe that's what he's more referring when he says he was more featured than in New England. Just a stretch, but that’s two big in-season changes. He's not the first player to not be a fan of the Bill experience. I know Gronk and Amendola are also on that list. If they really split over a 1 million difference that annoys me to no end because he was clearly the best receiver on the market and would have been the best WR in NE. He had great chemistry with Mac. This team could have snuck into the playoffs if they had simply signed Meyers and Hopkins. But I'll agree he sounds very bitter and is being someone disingenuous. We knew he was bitter since the JuJu contract and he Tweeted, "cold world".
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Post by costpet on Feb 6, 2024 8:40:04 GMT -5
Speaking of McDaniels, he’s still on the market for somebody. I wonder if Mayo approached him or not.
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Post by costpet on Feb 6, 2024 8:45:17 GMT -5
Nothing to do with this post, but I just read that 41% of Americans think that people and dinosaurs lived at the same time. Is that an indication of our educational system or was the poll just taken in Alabama?
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Post by rasimon on Feb 6, 2024 10:28:01 GMT -5
Nothing to do with this post, but I just read that 41% of Americans think that people and dinosaurs lived at the same time. Is that an indication of our educational system or was the poll just taken in Alabama? Carl Everett thinks that is ridiculous
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 6, 2024 10:44:20 GMT -5
Nothing to do with this post, but I just read that 41% of Americans think that people and dinosaurs lived at the same time. Is that an indication of our educational system or was the poll just taken in Alabama? Well they were on the Ark together.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 6, 2024 12:14:10 GMT -5
Nothing to do with this post, but I just read that 41% of Americans think that people and dinosaurs lived at the same time. Is that an indication of our educational system or was the poll just taken in Alabama? I’m not sure if the accuracy there but I do know there’s a not tiny group of Christians who truly believe the earth is only about 6,500 years old so…
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 6, 2024 12:24:21 GMT -5
www.yahoo.com/sports/meyers-pats-wouldnt-budge-over-222523088.htmlI lost so much respect for him with that more of a focal point for Raiders, with Patriots just surviving and putting food of table crap line. He literally had a better 2022 season, he just missed a few games. He went from top guy to #2 to Adams. Yeah keep smoking the good stuff buddy. I'd be curious how his numbers were pre and post McDaniels and pre and post Garapollo. Maybe that's what he's more referring when he says he was more featured than in New England. Just a stretch, but that’s two big in-season changes. He's not the first player to not be a fan of the Bill experience. I know Gronk and Amendola are also on that list. If they really split over a 1 million difference that annoys me to no end because he was clearly the best receiver on the market and would have been the best WR in NE. He had great chemistry with Mac. This team could have snuck into the playoffs if they had simply signed Meyers and Hopkins. But I'll agree he sounds very bitter and is being someone disingenuous. We knew he was bitter since the JuJu contract and he Tweeted, "cold world". We must have watched different teams because there was no sneaking into playoffs signing Meyers and Hopkins. Only way you make playoffs is doing what Bill wanted to do but Kraft was against it, dumping Mac Jones! You wanna talk about fun or crap like that okay. I'll laugh at you, but can understand it. I can't understand this crap Meyers is talking about and $ 1 million is nothing on a $33 million contract. You can't look at Bill and say he was crazy with the way he valued Meyers compared to the market. It's like with Karras he let some small amount make a huge difference, but he was right there value wise on his market. Bill helped turn an undrafted free agent into a multi millionaire, he's talking about scraps to feed his family. That's crazy!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 6, 2024 13:04:35 GMT -5
I'd be curious how his numbers were pre and post McDaniels and pre and post Garapollo. Maybe that's what he's more referring when he says he was more featured than in New England. Just a stretch, but that’s two big in-season changes. He's not the first player to not be a fan of the Bill experience. I know Gronk and Amendola are also on that list. If they really split over a 1 million difference that annoys me to no end because he was clearly the best receiver on the market and would have been the best WR in NE. He had great chemistry with Mac. This team could have snuck into the playoffs if they had simply signed Meyers and Hopkins. But I'll agree he sounds very bitter and is being someone disingenuous. We knew he was bitter since the JuJu contract and he Tweeted, "cold world". We must have watched different teams because there was no sneaking into playoffs signing Meyers and Hopkins. Only way you make playoffs is doing what Bill wanted to do but Kraft was against it, dumping Mac Jones! You wanna talk about fun or crap like that okay. I'll laugh at you, but can understand it. I can't understand this crap Meyers is talking about and $ 1 million is nothing on a $33 million contract. You can't look at Bill and say he was crazy with the way he valued Meyers compared to the market. It's like with Karras he let some small amount make a huge difference, but he was right there value wise on his market. Bill helped turn an undrafted free agent into a multi millionaire, he's talking about scraps to feed his family. That's crazy! I don't know, I think they win at least one of those Eagles or Dolphins games with both those guys. Then we're asking them to put up more than 6 points against the Chargers, 10 points against the Giants, 10 points against the Colts, and maybe they can win against the Commanders even though they lost 20-17 . Those 3 lower scoring games gets them to 7 right there. Mac is still terrible, but he'd have an elite weapon and a guy he was comfortable with who was good. Meyers made a career because of Bill so he should be eternally grateful, but I can understand that the constant grinding just wears you down. I don't blame any player getting the most they can, especially UDFAs, but as far as market evaluation, if he signs with another team for a higher amount, wasn't that the market? Being a million off isn't going very far beyond your valuations either. But yeah, he sounds much saltier than he needs to be.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 6, 2024 13:23:59 GMT -5
Mel Kiper & Field Yates discuss top of draft decisions, including NE (to QB or not to QB):
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 6, 2024 14:56:55 GMT -5
Kiper kinda totally dismisses the fact Daniels the best weapons in College football. Talks about Williams and Maye not as good as 2022, but they lost Addison and Downs, without having same tier replacements, nevermind two first round guys for two years straight. Walker after senior Bowl is likely a 3rd/4th guy, same as Rice the top guy at USC.
That's a plus in my book, still very good without elite weapons. How good is Daniels without two first round picks at WR? It hides a bunch of flaws. We have no clue, he wasn't good at Auburn, heck Daniels was a day 3 pick entering this year. Going to be easy to get Williams and Maye the type of weapons they had in College, not going to be easy to get Daniels that level or an OL that gives him enough time to throw so many bombs.
Only other QB in this draft that even comes close to Daniels talent wise is Penix. Really important question on those two, did they make the WR look better or did the WR make them look better? You just don't have those questions with Williams and Maye.
Kiper just seems to zero in on how the played and the tape. That's kinda crazy given the different talent levels and opponents. What absolutely no worries about a 6'4" QB that is 200 pounds and runs the way he does? Williams and Maye have much better bodies to hold up running in NFL. Million dollar question, what does Daniels look like passing when he can't just run at will? Lamar Jackson has yet to win a playoff game with his arm.
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badfishnbc
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Post by badfishnbc on Feb 6, 2024 16:25:17 GMT -5
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Post by marrcus on Feb 6, 2024 20:52:27 GMT -5
--------------------------- Shows saying someone on the staff -who?- is going to be hearing a lot of trade proposals. Maybe not specifically to get Daniels at 3, but probably. F & M mentioned Vikings who are particularly interested.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 6, 2024 22:03:22 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Feb 7, 2024 12:22:23 GMT -5
Based on recent coaching and front office moves, sure seems like Eliot Wolf is the lead FO guy. Lots of folks coming in from his Packers time. I have no strong feelings other than I know Packers nation was a little bitter he didn't move up there.
I'm cautiously optimistic as someone who though a clean house would be better than keeping everything the same except BB. Offense seems to be house-cleaned and FO seems to have new voices.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 7, 2024 14:48:20 GMT -5
Longtime college & draft prospect writer (he writes the annual FREAKS column) of The Athletic, Nick Baumgardner, does not find Daniels to be a Johnny-Come-Lately QB prospect:
It's going to be great drama how these QB decisions play out. Reputations will be made; jobs will be lost; some analysts will take victory laps while others will be mocked relentlessly. Good times.
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Post by badfishnbc on Feb 7, 2024 14:59:13 GMT -5
Lots of personnel moves today!
Bobby Brown is a salary cap guy. Highsmith is super interesting. And two more Browns coaches, because, why not??
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