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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 11, 2024 22:32:47 GMT -5
Fair, but we know who's going number 1 so really there's a 50/50 chance. My guess is they have an educated guess with a backup plan if he's off the board. I personally never believed Maye wasn't going 2. I like the move because it keeps there options open. I hate going into a draft needing to draft based 100% off need. Why does it signal Daniels? If you're taking Daniels a guy with ton of experience, why pay this price for a veteran? Shouldn't Daniels be ready to play next year? I don't think it has anything to do with the draft, but if it did. I'd say it means more Maye or McCarthy, guys that really shouldn't be starting day one. Brissett is more like Maye than Daniels. If you're all in on Daniels, Taylor is a better veteran no? What's a 1-year bridge of a mediocre QB going to do? Similar skill set, 1 year commitment, and will take a beating as the team around him struggles. I don't think 1/8 is particularly steep, especially when they had over 100 million in available cap space. Brissett is more of a runner than a passer, no? I was actually thinking Zappe would be more insurance in case it's Maye who falls. Jacoby is very mediocre. My logic in the why might have been a bit mixed up. I was originally thinking he's here to take a beating while they learn. Now I'm thinking Jacoby is just break glass in case they're not ready or get hurt. It's a bit high, but it's only 1 year and they have the space for it. Gardner Minshew signed a 2-year 25 million deal to compete for the starting job for the Raiders. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 11, 2024 23:22:32 GMT -5
I like the move because it keeps there options open. I hate going into a draft needing to draft based 100% off need. Why does it signal Daniels? If you're taking Daniels a guy with ton of experience, why pay this price for a veteran? Shouldn't Daniels be ready to play next year? I don't think it has anything to do with the draft, but if it did. I'd say it means more Maye or McCarthy, guys that really shouldn't be starting day one. Brissett is more like Maye than Daniels. If you're all in on Daniels, Taylor is a better veteran no? What's a 1-year bridge of a mediocre QB going to do? Similar skill set, 1 year commitment, and will take a beating as the team around him struggles. I don't think 1/8 is particularly steep, especially when they had over 100 million in available cap space. Brissett is more of a runner than a passer, no? I was actually thinking Zappe would be more insurance in case it's Maye who falls. Jacoby is very mediocre. My logic in the why might have been a bit mixed up. I was originally thinking he's here to take a beating while they learn. Now I'm thinking Jacoby is just break glass in case they're not ready or get hurt. It's a bit high, but it's only 1 year and they have the space for it. Gardner Minshew signed a 2-year 25 million deal to compete for the starting job for the Raiders. Brissett is definitely more of a passer than a runner. He had that one start with the Pats years back where he was more of a runner but that was because his thumb was broken and Jimmy G was being soft I think Jacoby is definitely starting while the rookie learns for at least half the season. He outplayed the QB before and after him in Cleveland and outplayed Howell in his very limited sample last year |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 23:42:06 GMT -5
I like the move because it keeps there options open. I hate going into a draft needing to draft based 100% off need. Why does it signal Daniels? If you're taking Daniels a guy with ton of experience, why pay this price for a veteran? Shouldn't Daniels be ready to play next year? I don't think it has anything to do with the draft, but if it did. I'd say it means more Maye or McCarthy, guys that really shouldn't be starting day one. Brissett is more like Maye than Daniels. If you're all in on Daniels, Taylor is a better veteran no? What's a 1-year bridge of a mediocre QB going to do? Similar skill set, 1 year commitment, and will take a beating as the team around him struggles. I don't think 1/8 is particularly steep, especially when they had over 100 million in available cap space. Brissett is more of a runner than a passer, no? I was actually thinking Zappe would be more insurance in case it's Maye who falls. Jacoby is very mediocre. My logic in the why might have been a bit mixed up. I was originally thinking he's here to take a beating while they learn. Now I'm thinking Jacoby is just break glass in case they're not ready or get hurt. It's a bit high, but it's only 1 year and they have the space for it. Gardner Minshew signed a 2-year 25 million deal to compete for the starting job for the Raiders. Raises the floor at QB. He's gotten better each chance he's had to start, last time outplaying Watson. Raising QB rating and completion percentage the last 3 times he started a bunch of games. No, he's absolutely not more runner than passer. Think veteran version of Maye with less natural ability. Minshew will be starting, that's basically a guarantee. |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 12, 2024 2:07:57 GMT -5
To do list
Tight end...Henry...check.
A second TE. Pharoh Brown? Gerald Everett? Austin Hooper? Its a pretty weak group but the draft is weak too - after Bowers
Onwenu back ..big big check
Another starting OT. Tyron Smith is very good if he can stay healthy. Same with David Bakhtiari but less hope of him staying healthy. Jonah Williams is durable but his performance the last two years (LT and RT) has not been so good. Last time Mekhi Becton both played significant snaps and was good was 2020. Might be able to get an OT in the draft...although Alt, Latham, Fashanu, Fuega, and Mims are likely gone before the 2nd round.
RB...check.
Another RB? They are relatively cheap this year and Stevenson is FA next year. AJ Dillon? Aaron Jones? Derrick Henry?
WR. I was surprised they brought Bourne back. His last few years have been uneven both in terms of playing time and performance.
X-WR. Ridley is likely expensive. Tee Higgins and Diontae Johnson may be available in trade. This is a great draft for WRs both in terms of top talent and depth.
S or CB. Kamren Curl or Kendall Fuller?
Edge: Danielle Hunter is the best of the group but likely very expensive.
Upgrade from Godchaux. DJ Reader is still available
The top kickers are gone. Still available: Folk, Joseph, Slye, Bullock. Are we confident that any of these would be an upgrade over Ryland?
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2024 6:21:14 GMT -5
I would have loved to see them let Duggar go and sign McKinney, but he got $17m per from GB which means we likely had to pay even more so that wasnt going to happen, but man how nice would he have been back there…
I hate this type of stuff but they basically have to give the bag to Ridley. Maybe structure it so you can get out of it in 3 years. But you cannot bring a rookie QB in and not have a legitimate receiver for him.
AJ Dillions numbers have steadily gone down but I’d take him on a cheap deal, but I’d also welcome back Elliot.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 12, 2024 6:35:55 GMT -5
I like what they've done Day 1 but their primary needs have yet to be met (obviously plenty of time to do it).
Long-Term Solution at QB - One way or another, they'll take their crack in the draft.
Present/Future LT - As mentioned above there are some FAs left here. Think Smith is ring-chasing at this stage so we're likely down to the "next tier" (Jonah Williams, Becton). Still think a LT candidate is drafted in the 1st 3 rounds.
Top Target at WR - Ridley seems to be the FA everyone is talking about. MHJ is the part of the debate at #3. Feels like they should take advantage of the draft class regardless. There is also Higgins and Aiyuk atop the trade market.
Difference maker on D - This is what we've been hearing leading up to Free Agency. That they were hoping to add a big piece here. The biggest name FA would be Danielle Hunter (and we need an ED anyway). Otherwise, their still seems to be depth at the top of the CB Free Agency market (Fuller, Gilmore, Nelson, Moore II). Sounds like they were potentially in on Sneed.
Good start. Still LOTS to do (and the resources to do it).
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 12, 2024 8:54:32 GMT -5
What I like so far:
They've focused on retaining the guys they want to remain in the building, showing the team at large that their own people are valued and not relegated to the back burner.
They've read the market pretty well with regards to contract values. The safety market is messy right now, so the Dugger tag looks good. Onwenu was a very reasonable deal for both sides.
Good depth on the fringes. I love the Gibson deal. Having had to endure multiple Commanders games these last few years, he's the one dude I always liked watching. I'm very interested in the Takitaki deal, and Brissett coming home is many years too late - I was always higher on him as Brady's backup than I was Jimmy G., and there's zero reason they should've kept Hoyer in the building if Jacoby was available.
For Day 2:
I expect something to happen on the WR front. I feel like if Wolf perceives Ridley getting to pricey, he might pull the trigger on a trade. Especially if the rumblings about the Oregon pro day delegation are true and that Nix is heavily in consideration.
I also think there's a name defender out there who they're heavily courting. I wonder if it's Patrick Queen.
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Post by rasimon on Mar 12, 2024 10:16:58 GMT -5
Gesicki to Bengals 1yr up to 3.25 MM
Not disappointed. If you are a TE, and you can't block, then you had better be an awesome receiver...which Gesicki has not been recently.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 12, 2024 10:23:38 GMT -5
What I like so far: They've focused on retaining the guys they want to remain in the building, showing the team at large that their own people are valued and not relegated to the back burner. They've read the market pretty well with regards to contract values. The safety market is messy right now, so the Dugger tag looks good. Onwenu was a very reasonable deal for both sides. Good depth on the fringes. I love the Gibson deal. Having had to endure multiple Commanders games these last few years, he's the one dude I always liked watching. I'm very interested in the Takitaki deal, and Brissett coming home is many years too late - I was always higher on him as Brady's backup than I was Jimmy G., and there's zero reason they should've kept Hoyer in the building if Jacoby was available. For Day 2: I expect something to happen on the WR front. I feel like if Wolf perceives Ridley getting to pricey, he might pull the trigger on a trade. Especially if the rumblings about the Oregon pro day delegation are true and that Nix is heavily in consideration. I also think there's a name defender out there who they're heavily courting. I wonder if it's Patrick Queen. Based on what i'm reading, it might be that Ridley doesn't believe he's getting pricey enough. The talk is that Jax still wants to bring him back and NE is in. Also talk of a "dark horse team", which is sometimes agent talk for "we need to get these 2 to up their offers". Not always but . . . |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2024 11:08:19 GMT -5
Gibson has to be the best sneaky good signing of day one. James White was one of the best receiving RB because he could make nice catches down the field. Gibson is like watching an actual WR, which he was in College. Add in his running, blocking, speed and size.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 12, 2024 11:18:43 GMT -5
Gibson has to be the best sneaky good signing of day one. James White was one of the best receiving RB because he could make nice catches down the field. Gibson is like watching an actual WR, which he was in College. Add in his running, blocking, speed and size. Yup & if BB was still here the talk shows would be leading with "Belichick shopping in the bargain bins again." Bitter Ted would be besides himself, wondering if Bill has "lost his commitment." Enjoy the (sure to short) honeymoon, fellas. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2024 11:22:09 GMT -5
Since cap money in the NFL rolls over; I’m perfectly fine with them not using it all versus using it in dumb ways. They aren’t winning a SB next year. That being said; you can’t be in a spot where you set up your young QB for failure, if you plan on them playing next season so a good Line and a top WR is pretty necesary. Want to skimp elsewhere then have at it and roll over that money.
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 12, 2024 11:23:42 GMT -5
Based on what i'm reading, it might be that Ridley doesn't believe he's getting pricey enough. The talk is that Jax still wants to bring him back and NE is in. Also talk of a "dark horse team", which is sometimes agent talk for "we need to get these 2 to up their offers". Not always but . . . Falcons gave $39 million to Darnell Mooney. Now, I admit, I'd never heard of him, but I do read that "injuries and a regression in play stunted Mooney's last two seasons in Chicago." If that dude is getting close to $13 million AAV, I can only imagine what Ridley thinks he's worth. That's why I'm intrigued by the report of the Chargers and Pats talking about possible cuts. Might be solid value there on both sides of the ball for later-round picks. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2024 11:36:17 GMT -5
Darnell Mooney got 3 years 39 million from Falcons. That's to bad, he's going to be a monster finally playing with a good QB.
What you need for weapons varies greatly depending on the QB, take Maye versus Nix.
I'd also point out this might be the deepest WR class ever in the draft. I'm a big believer of match up a QB and WR, so they can grow together.
Best value left is likely on defensive side of the ball, really want to see them add an impactful guy either at CB, DE or DT. A top defense will take a ton of pressure off any QB that plays.
LT has to be filled with someone, you don't want to enter the draft with that hole, forcing you to have to draft a guy that can play day one.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2024 11:40:07 GMT -5
Darnell Mooney got 3 years 39 million from Falcons. That's to bad, he's going to be a monster finally playing with a good QB. What you need for weapons varies greatly depending on the QB, take Maye versus Nix. I'd also point out this might be the deepest WR class ever in the draft. I'm a big believer of match up a QB and WR, so they can grow together. Best value left is likely on defensive side of the ball, really want to see them add an impactful guy either at CB, DE or DT. A top defense will take a ton of pressure off any QB that plays. LT has to be filled with someone, you don't want to enter the draft with that hole, forcing you to have to draft a guy that can play day one. I fear they feel like they’ve already covered themselves at tackle. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2024 12:03:49 GMT -5
Darnell Mooney got 3 years 39 million from Falcons. That's to bad, he's going to be a monster finally playing with a good QB. What you need for weapons varies greatly depending on the QB, take Maye versus Nix. I'd also point out this might be the deepest WR class ever in the draft. I'm a big believer of match up a QB and WR, so they can grow together. Best value left is likely on defensive side of the ball, really want to see them add an impactful guy either at CB, DE or DT. A top defense will take a ton of pressure off any QB that plays. LT has to be filled with someone, you don't want to enter the draft with that hole, forcing you to have to draft a guy that can play day one. I fear they feel like they’ve already covered themselves at tackle. What Chukwuma is better at LT than RT? His two best seasons at college were at LT. I'll have to go research that. I'd say most are worst making that move, then again we literally watched Wynn go from very solid LT to horrible at RT. Would be bloody brilliant if true. |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 12, 2024 12:21:16 GMT -5
Derrick Henry to Ravens
2yrs 16MM
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Post by cdj on Mar 12, 2024 13:06:22 GMT -5
my Steelers fan buddy likes the tackle the pats signed in pass protection, he just kinda sucks as a run blocker
I was expecting him to sewer him given they cut him and he ended up on the pats but he thinks he’s a fine player
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Post by rasimon on Mar 12, 2024 13:12:51 GMT -5
my Steelers fan buddy likes the tackle the pats signed in pass protection, he just kinda sucks as a run blocker I was expecting him to sewer him given they cut him and he ended up on the pats but he thinks he’s a fine player Pff says just barely ok as a pass blocker and about the same as a run blocker |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 12, 2024 14:14:49 GMT -5
Jacoby Brissett gets 1/8 while Sam Darnold gets 1/10.
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 12, 2024 14:42:53 GMT -5
Uche's back - based on what was reported, wondering if they talked about how they'd scheme him to pump up his value.
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Post by cdj on Mar 12, 2024 14:46:37 GMT -5
love that
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Post by texs31 on Mar 12, 2024 15:20:59 GMT -5
I'm struggling to envision a move (and amount) that would would have shocked me more. Love it!
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Post by texs31 on Mar 12, 2024 15:29:03 GMT -5
Parker signed with Philly for over 4M. The max credit, per Miguel, is 3.6M. That would suggest NE will be getting the full credit next year.
However, as is correctly pointed out in the replies, it could be the agent is making it look like the numbers are bigger than they really are.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2024 16:01:18 GMT -5
Per Adam Schefter who's going off his agent Jimmy Gould, it's 4.69 million fully guaranteed and Eagles only paying $1.2 million, Patriots paying the rest.
Now that can't be, Patriots are only paying him $3.2 million. His base salary, was fully guaranteed. So if those numbers are right, it might be 1.49 million and credit NFL gives for veterans, meaning Eagles only pay $1.2 million.
So you get like a million off, not 3.6 million because we were already paying him, so he picked best spot at veteran minimum versus most money. Like Wilson did.
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