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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by cdj on Mar 13, 2024 19:23:12 GMT -5
They signed G Nick Leverett from the Bucs
Played a bunch in 2022, didn’t play a snap last year. Can play both guard spots as well as center. Possible depth.
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Mar 13, 2024 22:01:41 GMT -5
I’m resigned to the fact that this team is years away. I don’t want to pay a guy like Ridley who’s not top tier and is almost 30 big money that would have been a waste. I really hope they don’t draft a QB at number 3 and try to play him year one on this team. I’d rather draft MHJ or trade back for a haul and add talent to the roster. Figure out the QB next year or even the year after. My thing is they're going to draft QB and you try to field best players you can for him to succeed. Most likely they start Jacoby Brissett, but at some point Jayden Daniels or whoever they draft will be a starter and if you think they're saving money to spend next year your dreaming. Patriots will be dead last in spending this year and 2025 last. Who knows maybe BB is still the GM because Kraft blamed BB for lack of spending. You know how many people were wrong in blaming BB and if we start thinking like this no since in signing Christian Barmore when he up. They're just signing their own players who won 4 games last year. The draft picks are crapshoot there is no guaranteed on them just a way to keep your payroll down. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 13, 2024 22:20:25 GMT -5
I'd point to Green Bay connections with Wolf and say there's a good chance a rookie doesn't play year one.
Also we aren't even one day into the league year and we are already complaining about spending? I can't imagine they are done. Looking at the structure of contracts for Henry and Onwenu, they aren't done spending.
Chargers four of the top 12 cap hit contracts in football. Having to release Mike Williams, rework the others cresting more dead money. Picking top 10 in draft with a young franchise QB still with a low cap hit.
What this team needs is to hit on draft picks and have the problem of not being able to afford to keep everyone. That's a very good problem to have, like 49ers.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 13, 2024 22:45:30 GMT -5
It is a QB centric league if they have conviction on the guy(s) available they have to take the swing. Hitting at the QB position can accelerate a rebuild if it doesn’t workout guess what you get to do it again. So far I think they have taken the steps to support a rookie from a backroom staff stand point now they have to keep beefing up the roster if their guy is available (whomever that is we don’t know) they need to take the plunge if not pivot to other positions.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 14, 2024 1:10:54 GMT -5
DJ Reader released, torn ACL to end last year. So he likely misses some time, though could be a good value option.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2024 4:54:47 GMT -5
It is a QB centric league if they have conviction on the guy(s) available they have to take the swing. Hitting at the QB position can accelerate a rebuild if it doesn’t workout guess what you get to do it again. So far I think they have taken the steps to support a rookie from a backroom staff stand point now they have to keep beefing up the roster if their guy is available (whomever that is we don’t know) they need to take the plunge if not pivot to other positions. If they have conviction, then take him but don’t play him from the jump, unless the line miraculously is great when you get to camp. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 14, 2024 6:08:27 GMT -5
Being happy they lost out on Calvin Riddley is crazy. They wanted him, they just got out bid. He got a 4 year deal and will be 30 in December. I'm confident he'll be fine for at least 3 of the 4 years. He'd have been easily the best WR in a not so very good WR room and would help a young QB as well asv take pressure off Demario Douglas and any WR drafted. Is he the 9th best WR in the NFL like he's being paid? Probably not, but it's not terrible money for him and the market. The Patriots came into this off-season with more cap space than anyone. I'm glad they have retained their guys, but their guys also only got them 4 wins last year (no, I'm not saying that's a reason not to sign Onwenu. Just the reality of it.
This team is arguably worse than last year so far.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 14, 2024 6:49:45 GMT -5
Being happy they lost out on Calvin Riddley is crazy. They wanted him, they just got out bid. He got a 4 year deal and will be 30 in December. I'm confident he'll be fine for at least 3 of the 4 years. He'd have been easily the best WR in a not so very good WR room and would help a young QB as well asv take pressure off Demario Douglas and any WR drafted. Is he the 9th best WR in the NFL like he's being paid? Probably not, but it's not terrible money for him and the market. The Patriots came into this off-season with more cap space than anyone. I'm glad they have retained their guys, but their guys also only got them 4 wins last year (no, I'm not saying that's a reason not to sign Onwenu. Just the reality of it. This team is arguably worse than last year so far. I'm a Titans fan so don't bite my head off, at first when I saw the #s of the deal I thought whoa way too much but as with all NFL contracts if you wait for the actual #s to come out it really isn't that bad. $50M guaranteed so in essence it's a two year deal if they decide to cut after 2 there's very little left to pay. Also the salary cap went up so dang much that this deal isn't that bad Tennessee had to spend their money somewhere. Not saying he's on their level but wait until Chase, Jefferson and even Higgins sign an extension. This contract won't be all that highly ranked for a WR. I with you feel like he will be fine for the bulk of the contract because while yes he's going to be 30 he didn't play for two seasons so he's a young 30. He's a definite upgrade over their WRs not named Hopkins and might be an upgrade over Hopkins, it's probably a coin flip. Also as you said he is going to help out their young QB Levis. The most important thing for the Titans this season is not competing for a super bowl but finding out if Will Levis is the guy or if they need to go in a different direction in 2026. |
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Post by costpet on Mar 14, 2024 6:50:16 GMT -5
I read that they still have 57 million in cap space left. 10 million of that goes to the draft picks.
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2024 6:59:10 GMT -5
I don’t think they’re worse than last year, last year the reason why they sucked so bad was putrid QB play. They’ve upgraded from putrid to ok
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 14, 2024 7:00:31 GMT -5
Being happy they lost out on Calvin Riddley is crazy. They wanted him, they just got out bid. He got a 4 year deal and will be 30 in December. I'm confident he'll be fine for at least 3 of the 4 years. He'd have been easily the best WR in a not so very good WR room and would help a young QB as well asv take pressure off Demario Douglas and any WR drafted. Is he the 9th best WR in the NFL like he's being paid? Probably not, but it's not terrible money for him and the market. The Patriots came into this off-season with more cap space than anyone. I'm glad they have retained their guys, but their guys also only got them 4 wins last year (no, I'm not saying that's a reason not to sign Onwenu. Just the reality of it. This team is arguably worse than last year so far. I'm a Titans fan so don't bite my head off, at first when I saw the #s of the deal I thought whoa way too much but as with all NFL contracts if you wait for the actual #s to come out it really isn't that bad. $50M guaranteed so in essence it's a two year deal if they decide to cut after 2 there's very little left to pay. Also the salary cap went up so dang much that this deal isn't that bad Tennessee had to spend their money somewhere. Not saying he's on their level but wait until Chase, Jefferson and even Higgins sign an extension. This contract won't be all that highly ranked for a WR. I with you feel like he will be fine for the bulk of the contract because while yes he's going to be 30 he didn't play for two seasons so he's a young 30. He's a definite upgrade over their WRs not named Hopkins and might be an upgrade over Hopkins, it's probably a coin flip. Also as you said he is going to help out their young QB Levis. The most important thing for the Titans this season is not competing for a super bowl but finding out if Will Levis is the guy or if they need to go in a different direction in 2026. That's even better. NFL contracts are weird, but knowing they can get out easily in 2 years makes it a no-brainer. If Levis can't make use of D Hop and Riddley then you'll know he's probably not the guy which is what the Patriots will need to find out with a young QB. The other thing is just entertainment. I want my bad team to at least have a play maker just for viewing enjoyment. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 14, 2024 7:01:24 GMT -5
I don’t think they’re worse than last year, last year the reason why they sucked so bad was putrid QB play. They’ve upgraded from putrid to ok Not to mention getting back arguably their two best defenders in Judon and Gonzalez and hopefully getting a healthy season from them. There's no reason the defense shouldn't be good if not better. Still some holes on offense obviously but plenty of time to fill those. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 14, 2024 7:04:08 GMT -5
I'm a Titans fan so don't bite my head off, at first when I saw the #s of the deal I thought whoa way too much but as with all NFL contracts if you wait for the actual #s to come out it really isn't that bad. $50M guaranteed so in essence it's a two year deal if they decide to cut after 2 there's very little left to pay. Also the salary cap went up so dang much that this deal isn't that bad Tennessee had to spend their money somewhere. Not saying he's on their level but wait until Chase, Jefferson and even Higgins sign an extension. This contract won't be all that highly ranked for a WR. I with you feel like he will be fine for the bulk of the contract because while yes he's going to be 30 he didn't play for two seasons so he's a young 30. He's a definite upgrade over their WRs not named Hopkins and might be an upgrade over Hopkins, it's probably a coin flip. Also as you said he is going to help out their young QB Levis. The most important thing for the Titans this season is not competing for a super bowl but finding out if Will Levis is the guy or if they need to go in a different direction in 2026. That's even better. NFL contracts are weird, but knowing they can get out easily in 2 years makes it a no-brainer. If Levis can't make use of D Hop and Riddley then you'll know he's probably not the guy which is what the Patriots will need to find out with a young QB. The other thing is just entertainment. I want my bad team to at least have a play maker just for viewing enjoyment. This can't be understated to me, I loved Henry and loved Vrabel but by the end the ground and pound wear you down style that Vrabel employed just isn't very entertaining football. No clue if Callahan will be a good coach but I at least like what I've seen of their plan and vision so far this offseason. They definitely seem to be switching to a more high octane offense which to me hopefully will be more enjoyable football. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 14, 2024 7:21:23 GMT -5
I don’t think they’re worse than last year, last year the reason why they sucked so bad was putrid QB play. They’ve upgraded from putrid to ok I think "OK" is a bit strong for Brissett. Better? Yes. He still shouldn't start NFL games unless there's an injury. I would say the biggest upgrade this team has gotten is the health of Christian Gonzalez, Kendrick Bourne and Matthew Judon, but obviously other guys will go down during the season. I still think their range is about 3-5 wins. Losing Mack Wilson hurts. DeVante Parker is garbage, but they haven't exactly replaced the production either. They still need a backup TE now that their pass catching TE who couldn't block or catch is gone. If Dugger does end up leaving that will certainly bring some pain. They still don't have a LT. Say what you want about Trent Brown, but when he tried he was good. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2024 7:21:57 GMT -5
I’m not happy they lost out on Ridley but I’m not sad either. He’s a 29 YO good #2 with off the field baggage- better than what we have by a good chunk, but I prefer many of the trade targets to him anyway (Aiyuk/Higgins)
If they address the WR position in the trade market losing out on Ridley doesn’t bother me at all. If they do nothing to address it I will be very bothered.
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2024 7:24:57 GMT -5
I don’t think they’re worse than last year, last year the reason why they sucked so bad was putrid QB play. They’ve upgraded from putrid to ok I think "OK" is a bit strong for Brissett. Better? Yes. He still shouldn't start NFL games unless there's an injury. I would say the biggest upgrade this team has gotten is the health of Christian Gonzalez, Kendrick Bourne and Matthew Judon, but obviously other guys will go down during the season. I still think their range is about 3-5 wins. Losing Mack Wilson hurts. DeVante Parker is garbage, but they haven't exactly replaced the production either. They still need a backup TE now that their pass catching TE who couldn't block or catch is gone. If Dugger does end up leaving that will certainly bring some pain. They still don't have a LT. Say what you want about Trent Brown, but when he tried he was good. He’s absolutely ok, he’s got a 51-23 TD/INT ratio for his career. He’s not bad. He’s fine. Not gonna win a Super Bowl with him but he’s also not gonna blatantly lose you games like the QB position did last year. I’d probably rank him low 20s in QB rankings- he’s outplayed Mayfield/Watson/Howell in his last 2 stops They replaced Mack Wilson with a guy who is perhaps better in coverage (Takitaki). They signed a backup TE (Hooper) |
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 14, 2024 8:23:34 GMT -5
With this team, closing the deal for the premium guys is just going to be harder for the foreseeable future. I think they went as far as realistically they should for Ridley but it wasn't enough to close and it opened the door for another team to swoop in.
I hope the message getting to the ownership group is that they need to do more on the "soft" side of things to make New England appealing to free agents when the dollars are even, particularly during this rebuild. They're not going to get ring chasers the way they used to; trades might be the only realistic paths to bringing in top guys.
The fact that we've got the cap space to swing a deal for the inevitable disgruntled guy is what's giving me hope, because, frankly speaking, that's the path forward right now.
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2024 8:31:58 GMT -5
No income tax in Tennessee too iirc. Gonna be hard to beat teams in those states with offers, gonna have to come in a decent chunk higher
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 14, 2024 8:55:24 GMT -5
I think "OK" is a bit strong for Brissett. Better? Yes. He still shouldn't start NFL games unless there's an injury. I would say the biggest upgrade this team has gotten is the health of Christian Gonzalez, Kendrick Bourne and Matthew Judon, but obviously other guys will go down during the season. I still think their range is about 3-5 wins. Losing Mack Wilson hurts. DeVante Parker is garbage, but they haven't exactly replaced the production either. They still need a backup TE now that their pass catching TE who couldn't block or catch is gone. If Dugger does end up leaving that will certainly bring some pain. They still don't have a LT. Say what you want about Trent Brown, but when he tried he was good. He’s absolutely ok, he’s got a 51-23 TD/INT ratio for his career. He’s not bad. He’s fine. Not gonna win a Super Bowl with him but he’s also not gonna blatantly lose you games like the QB position did last year. I’d probably rank him low 20s in QB rankings- he’s outplayed Mayfield/Watson/Howell in his last 2 stops They replaced Mack Wilson with a guy who is perhaps better in coverage (Takitaki). They signed a backup TE (Hooper) Well, I had something written out and proved myself wrong. I guess he's the definition of OK. Still only started 16 total games over the last 4 years so that will be interesting to see how he holds up. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2024 10:57:18 GMT -5
I read that they still have 57 million in cap space left. 10 million of that goes to the draft picks. PatsCap has them at ~55M but that's not including the Jennings, Watts or Leverett deals. Probably brings them into the high 40s or low 50s, depending on the structures. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 14, 2024 11:27:45 GMT -5
Stupid question, but Calvin Riddley would be done for good if there was a correlation with the fact he signed with a team that had one of the highest Vegas odds payouts, yes? Jaguars were -300, Patriots +200 and the Titans were +1800.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 14, 2024 11:33:33 GMT -5
He’s absolutely ok, he’s got a 51-23 TD/INT ratio for his career. He’s not bad. He’s fine. Not gonna win a Super Bowl with him but he’s also not gonna blatantly lose you games like the QB position did last year. I’d probably rank him low 20s in QB rankings- he’s outplayed Mayfield/Watson/Howell in his last 2 stops They replaced Mack Wilson with a guy who is perhaps better in coverage (Takitaki). They signed a backup TE (Hooper) Well, I had something written out and proved myself wrong. I guess he's the definition of OK. Still only started 16 total games over the last 4 years so that will be interesting to see how he holds up. I'd caution against assessing the value of a player by how many starts he's made, especially a passing game proficient LB. Btw, Christian Barmore has made 11 starts in three years. I expect he'll hold up okay. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 14, 2024 11:55:00 GMT -5
Fun fact of the day, in 11 games during 2022 season Brissett had two 4th Quarter game winning drives. Mac Jones had two in 43 games. One during 18 games as a rookie and the one against the Bills this year. Zero his 2nd season
Go watch Donovan People-Jones highlights from 2022 season on YouTube, first 75% are Brissett. First you'll see why I want to sign DPJ, second look at the big plays and ball placement.
His 88.9 QB rating would have ranked 19th last year in the whole NFL and his 2nd best receiving option was DPJ! Not a lot of TDs because that was a run first team.
It's kinda funny Browns moved on from Mayfield to upgrade to Watson, then got Brissett when Watson got suspended and Watson is literally the 3rd best QB they've had in the last 3 years. Also a very important message with guys like Watson and Wilson, scheme fit matters for most QBs.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 14, 2024 12:16:50 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2024 12:42:30 GMT -5
Taylor Kyles. For those that don't follow him, he did say that Douglas' "category" is bc of the 2 concussions during the year (implication being he'd be rated higher if he had more confidence in his health). |
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