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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2024 8:22:06 GMT -5
How would #2 be more likely? Washington traded Howell for very little. They are going QB and have their choice. It's the Patriots that are interesting because they get who's left over and they might not like that guy. BTW it makes all the sense in the world for the Patriots to tell everyone we're taking a QB at #3. No matter what they are planning, it drives up the price and gets you into QB premium territory. I'm sure Minny wants #2 so they have their choice, I just don't see how Washington bites dropping to #11. Frankly one of my best fits in the draft is Penix to Vikings. Team has a ton of talent and it was built around Cousins.
Nice to dream that Washington is stupid and passes on Maye for Daniels. I don't see it, I don't see what all this Hype about Daniels is about. It's basically just hoping that another guy from same UNC system scares them.
No Williams, no Maye and someone is willing to pay a king ransom to draft Daniels I'm listening and that's going to be a hard decision with Harrison sitting there. It's just going from #3 to #11 is a long way. This team needs elite players, not depth. For example trading with Giants keeps so many other players in reach.
Herbert was a 4 year starter, went to a team with a better OL and two stud WR. He still didn't start game one, he started game two. There's no harm in sitting a rookie QB and there certainly is a big benefit. Unless they can fix the OL, both pass blocking and run blocking, while adding way more talent at WR, you shouldn't want Maye starting game one. Especially with a completely new coaching staff and offensive system that almost no one knows besides Brissett and Hopper right now. Chargers had same HC and OC with Herbert.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 16, 2024 8:31:43 GMT -5
Kenny Pickett traded to the Eagles.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2024 8:49:15 GMT -5
If Sneed is really being traded for a 3 and 2025 pick then Pats should be in on that and handing him a big extension that overlaps Gonzos rookie deal.
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2024 8:51:04 GMT -5
The more I think about it the more I think picking MHJR would be like buying a lambo in Massachusetts without a garage to put it in or a drivers license
If they don’t go QB it would almost be malpractice to not trade down
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2024 9:25:01 GMT -5
Taylor Kyles listed the best options available in the WR market. DPJ isn't listed first, but Taylor says he's probably the best fit.
Also mentions Mike Williams, DJ Chark, Michael Gallup and Josh Reynolds.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2024 10:47:18 GMT -5
The more I think about it the more I think picking MHJR would be like buying a lambo in Massachusetts without a garage to put it in or a drivers license If they don’t go QB it would almost be malpractice to not trade down Don’t get weapons because you don’t have a QB. Don’t get a QB because he doesn’t have weapons. You won’t ruin a stud receiver like you can a QB. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2024 11:02:10 GMT -5
The more I think about it the more I think picking MHJR would be like buying a lambo in Massachusetts without a garage to put it in or a drivers license If they don’t go QB it would almost be malpractice to not trade down Don’t get weapons because you don’t have a QB. Don’t get a QB because he doesn’t have weapons. You won’t ruin a stud receiver like you can a QB. Not saying don’t draft a WR, they just have so many holes to plug on offense that it would probably make more sense to trade down and fill multiple spots with blue chip talent. Plus I really don’t think the gap between Harrison and Nabers/Odunze is as wide as some believe |
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2024 15:19:55 GMT -5
DPJ back to the Lions for very cheap
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2024 16:15:37 GMT -5
DPJ back to the Lions for very cheap That upsets me way more than it should. 1 year upto $2 million. He had 838 yards and 3 TDs playing with Brissett and likely would have had more if Watson didn't come back. I was literally thinking 3 year deal at upto 21 million, half in incentives, 5 million signing bonus. Nice little deal that pays him like 7 million in cash this year, but you can cut him and move on after one year with only a few million in dead money. He was young, filled a huge need, knows the offense, is a good run blocker and has chemistry with Brissett. I don't want huge overpays, but these guys are acting like Bill with no cap space right now. Wait out the market and pick up the scraps at bargain basement prices. There's still time and a bunch of players, man I just wish they'd show a little more urgency. Fill out depth on offense and add a few more impactful players on defense. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2024 16:26:06 GMT -5
Don’t get weapons because you don’t have a QB. Don’t get a QB because he doesn’t have weapons. You won’t ruin a stud receiver like you can a QB. Not saying don’t draft a WR, they just have so many holes to plug on offense that it would probably make more sense to trade down and fill multiple spots with blue chip talent. Plus I really don’t think the gap between Harrison and Nabers/Odunze is as wide as some believe I agree with that, I also think all 3 of those WR go crazy high, possibly all 3 in top 6 picks. So how far you trade down matters. I've done a few mocks. I'm crazy intrigued by Brian Thomas Jr. And Adonai Mitchell, but they both only have one year of good production. Same thing Xavier Legette, who's just a beast of a WR. Do we trust this group to be able to pick the right player from a group like that? That's what scares me. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 16, 2024 17:51:34 GMT -5
Justin Fields traded to the Steelers for a 6th. Upgraded to a 4th if he plays.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 16, 2024 18:44:31 GMT -5
Justin Fields traded to the Steelers for a 2025 6th. Upgraded to a 4th if he plays 51% of snaps in 2024. Added some details. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2024 18:55:43 GMT -5
Wow, I really didn't want Fields given the costs I was seeing, that's crazy low. That's less than Mac Jones cost and the chances he plays 51% of the snaps with Wilson there seems rather slim. Given the cost of Howell and Fields I might have gone after one of those guys. Gives you the option if the draft breaks a certain way to go 100% improve everything but QB, while still getting a young guy with upside.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2024 18:58:12 GMT -5
Don’t get weapons because you don’t have a QB. Don’t get a QB because he doesn’t have weapons. You won’t ruin a stud receiver like you can a QB. Not saying don’t draft a WR, they just have so many holes to plug on offense that it would probably make more sense to trade down and fill multiple spots with blue chip talent. Plus I really don’t think the gap between Harrison and Nabers/Odunze is as wide as some believe Sure but those 3 go really high so trading down a couple spots won’t net you that much so give me the best guy in MHJ rather than screwing around. I’m fine with trading down if you get a massive haul. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 16, 2024 20:44:01 GMT -5
I don't understand for the life of me why a 4 win team would only really prioritize signing their own guys when they had more cap space than anyone else. Kraft is really giving John Henry vibes.
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2024 21:14:01 GMT -5
I don't understand for the life of me why a 4 win team would only really prioritize signing their own guys when they had more cap space than anyone else. Kraft is really giving John Henry vibes. imo you’re much less likely to win through free agency in football than you are in baseball I would’ve liked a few of these deals- but there’s nothing I’m too upset about missing out on. Honestly the DPJ deal may be the biggest one for me, just because it’s peanuts and we have the money. Makes no sense not landing him imo. Onwenu was always priority 1 for me though Big focus on drafting and developing |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 16, 2024 21:38:05 GMT -5
I don't understand for the life of me why a 4 win team would only really prioritize signing their own guys when they had more cap space than anyone else. Kraft is really giving John Henry vibes. imo you’re much less likely to win through free agency in football than you are in baseball I would’ve liked a few of these deals- but there’s nothing I’m too upset about missing out on. Honestly the DPJ deal may be the biggest one for me, just because it’s peanuts and we have the money. Makes no sense not landing him imo. Onwenu was always priority 1 for me though Big focus on drafting and developing I think in a vacuum there's nothing I'm terribly upset, but the fact they've done nothing to bring in outside talent is what irks me. Don't get Riddley? That's fine. Get Keenan Allen or vice versa. Just because we think they'll be bad doesn't mean they should just quit on the season. They had a pretty good defense last year. They should have a good one again. Bring in some quality receivers and draft a QB and maybe you're the Texans. It seems like they don't want to really invest until they draft a QB and have that confidence in them to invest in the team. Brissett is an upgrade over Mac, but is he an upgrade over Gardner Minshew? Sam Darnold? Justin Fields? Baker Mayfield? Kirk Cousins? Russell Wilson? |
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2024 21:46:05 GMT -5
imo you’re much less likely to win through free agency in football than you are in baseball I would’ve liked a few of these deals- but there’s nothing I’m too upset about missing out on. Honestly the DPJ deal may be the biggest one for me, just because it’s peanuts and we have the money. Makes no sense not landing him imo. Onwenu was always priority 1 for me though Big focus on drafting and developing I think in a vacuum there's nothing I'm terribly upset, but the fact they've done nothing to bring in outside talent is what irks me. Don't get Riddley? That's fine. Get Keenan Allen or vice versa. Just because we think they'll be bad doesn't mean they should just quit on the season. They had a pretty good defense last year. They should have a good one again. Bring in some quality receivers and draft a QB and maybe you're the Texans. It seems like they don't want to really invest until they draft a QB and have that confidence in them to invest in the team. Brissett is an upgrade over Mac, but is he an upgrade over Gardner Minshew? Sam Darnold? Justin Fields? Baker Mayfield? Kirk Cousins? Russell Wilson? Yeah probably better or at least equal to all those guys listed but Mayfield and Cousins, and those 2 were never in the cards. Ridley would’ve been nice and they were aggressive with him, he’s just a southern guy who wanted to get taxed less in the nice weather. I get why they didn’t pursue Allen though. I would like them to add a veteran outside guy- Williams, Gallup, even Chark I guess |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 16, 2024 22:06:20 GMT -5
I think in a vacuum there's nothing I'm terribly upset, but the fact they've done nothing to bring in outside talent is what irks me. Don't get Riddley? That's fine. Get Keenan Allen or vice versa. Just because we think they'll be bad doesn't mean they should just quit on the season. They had a pretty good defense last year. They should have a good one again. Bring in some quality receivers and draft a QB and maybe you're the Texans. It seems like they don't want to really invest until they draft a QB and have that confidence in them to invest in the team. Brissett is an upgrade over Mac, but is he an upgrade over Gardner Minshew? Sam Darnold? Justin Fields? Baker Mayfield? Kirk Cousins? Russell Wilson? Yeah probably better or at least equal to all those guys listed but Mayfield and Cousins, and those 2 were never in the cards. Ridley would’ve been nice and they were aggressive with him, he’s just a southern guy who wanted to get taxed less in the nice weather. I get why they didn’t pursue Allen though. I would like them to add a veteran outside guy- Williams, Gallup, even Chark I guess I think contracts are indicative of how the league feels about a player. I don't think Brissett took less than those other guys because he really wanted to be in NE. I think the NFL thought Brissett was one of the weaker available options. It's still early-ish so maybe they make some moves. I just thought by now they'd have something. They could have outbid for Riddley if they really wanted to. They were aggressive so I'll give them some credit, but if it's 4 years and you're not really spending on anything else in year 1 then you're really just hamstringing yourself for 3 years and even then, I guess his contract is way to get out of after just the 2 years. For a 5th round pick I would have taken Fields over Brissett. I think the Bears would too since there's very little chance Fields hits 51% of the snaps I also understand Watson is getting the minimum from the Steelers, but he's Akari getting paid by Denver. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2024 22:40:48 GMT -5
Yeah probably better or at least equal to all those guys listed but Mayfield and Cousins, and those 2 were never in the cards. Ridley would’ve been nice and they were aggressive with him, he’s just a southern guy who wanted to get taxed less in the nice weather. I get why they didn’t pursue Allen though. I would like them to add a veteran outside guy- Williams, Gallup, even Chark I guess I think contracts are indicative of how the league feels about a player. I don't think Brissett took less than those other guys because he really wanted to be in NE. I think the NFL thought Brissett was one of the weaker available options. It's still early-ish so maybe they make some moves. I just thought by now they'd have something. They could have outbid for Riddley if they really wanted to. They were aggressive so I'll give them some credit, but if it's 4 years and you're not really spending on anything else in year 1 then you're really just hamstringing yourself for 3 years and even then, I guess his contract is way to get out of after just the 2 years. For a 5th round pick I would have taken Fields over Brissett. I think the Bears would too since there's very little chance Fields hits 51% of the snaps I also understand Watson is getting the minimum from the Steelers, but he's Akari getting paid by Denver. He’s making more than Russ and he’s meaningfully older than both Minshew and Darnold, that’s the difference in the contracts. He’s also probably just flat out better than Fields, who just was had for less than what Mac returned in a deal. Now THAT reflects the leagues opinion of him. You’re not factoring in scheme fit. Plus if they acquire Fields and they plan on going QB at 3 then they’re just recreating the toxic Jones/Zappe dynamic. Mentorship matters. Brissett is the perfect transition QB if they plan on drafting a QB at 3, especially given the fact he’s familiar with AVP’s scheme |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 17, 2024 5:40:26 GMT -5
I don't understand for the life of me why a 4 win team would only really prioritize signing their own guys when they had more cap space than anyone else. Kraft is really giving John Henry vibes. They are smart to not be investing money in 30 something free agents, etc. But I don’t disagree with you overall. Let’s see what they do tho. I mentioned Sneed the other day. If they trade for and sign a top young corner like him or another player in that type of spot that’s a good use of money. Extend Barmore, etc. But cap space does roll over so it’s not ideal to just waste it |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 17, 2024 10:01:05 GMT -5
I think contracts are indicative of how the league feels about a player. I don't think Brissett took less than those other guys because he really wanted to be in NE. I think the NFL thought Brissett was one of the weaker available options. It's still early-ish so maybe they make some moves. I just thought by now they'd have something. They could have outbid for Riddley if they really wanted to. They were aggressive so I'll give them some credit, but if it's 4 years and you're not really spending on anything else in year 1 then you're really just hamstringing yourself for 3 years and even then, I guess his contract is way to get out of after just the 2 years. For a 5th round pick I would have taken Fields over Brissett. I think the Bears would too since there's very little chance Fields hits 51% of the snaps I also understand Watson is getting the minimum from the Steelers, but he's Akari getting paid by Denver. He’s making more than Russ and he’s meaningfully older than both Minshew and Darnold, that’s the difference in the contracts. He’s also probably just flat out better than Fields, who just was had for less than what Mac returned in a deal. Now THAT reflects the leagues opinion of him. You’re not factoring in scheme fit. Plus if they acquire Fields and they plan on going QB at 3 then they’re just recreating the toxic Jones/Zappe dynamic. Mentorship matters. Brissett is the perfect transition QB if they plan on drafting a QB at 3, especially given the fact he’s familiar with AVP’s scheme I'm not sure age is really important though when you're talking backups getting 1-2 year deals. Sam Darnold may be 26, but on a 1-year deal he can sign anywhere a year from now. Brissett is 31 so it's not like he's terribly old. Wilson is getting 31 million from the Broncos to not play for them. I'm not entirely sure if football works like baseball where if a guy gets released the original team pays the entire contract minus the amount the other team gives, which is why it's always league minimal deals. Either way, with 38 million coming his way, he had the luxury of picking his spot that guaranteed starting. He was supposed to interview with the Falcons and Raiders and even expresses interest in NE, but after his 1st meeting, he signed. Fields I think is a bit of a wild card. The Bears I guess did have an atrocious OL. He was the most pressured QB in football. Looking at some next generation stats, Fields ended up having a career low interception rate. He was also the worst in the league in expected completion % and 4th worst passer rating in the 4th. He's gotten slightly better every year, bottom ranked passer with a terrible OL and an elite scrambler. I would agree though that when we're looking at bridgey QBs it could also be more about the schemes they're trying to run. I also feel like he was their favorite option because he played here and they're somewhat familiar with him. PFF had Jacoby Brissett as the most underrated QB free agent. www.pff.com/news/nfl-one-underrated-2024-nfl-free-agent-at-every-offensive-position#:~:text=Jacoby%20Brissett%20has%20impressed%20in,in%202021%20and%202022%20respectively. And listed as the 5th best option www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-nfl-free-agency-rankings-quarterbacksPFF seems to just really love Brissett. www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-how-qb-situations-changed-first-wave-2024-nfl-free-agencyBased on how much PFF likes him it makes me wonder why just 1/8. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 17, 2024 10:04:25 GMT -5
I don't understand for the life of me why a 4 win team would only really prioritize signing their own guys when they had more cap space than anyone else. Kraft is really giving John Henry vibes. They are smart to not be investing money in 30 something free agents, etc. But I don’t disagree with you overall. Let’s see what they do tho. I mentioned Sneed the other day. If they trade for and sign a top young corner like him or another player in that type of spot that’s a good use of money. Extend Barmore, etc. But cap space does roll over so it’s not ideal to just waste it I do have to keep remembering that cap space rolls over. I think I'm just so burnt out and jaded from, "full throttle" and "cash to burn" that I just don't trust them to spend until I see it. I know the Patriots splurged a few years ago so we'll see. My biggest desire was just to get a reliable weapon for a rookie QB and a solid LT. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 17, 2024 12:26:37 GMT -5
I don't understand for the life of me why a 4 win team would only really prioritize signing their own guys when they had more cap space than anyone else. Kraft is really giving John Henry vibes. They are smart to not be investing money in 30 something free agents, etc. But I don’t disagree with you overall. Let’s see what they do tho. I mentioned Sneed the other day. If they trade for and sign a top young corner like him or another player in that type of spot that’s a good use of money. Extend Barmore, etc. But cap space does roll over so it’s not ideal to just waste it What about Sneed wants you trading draft picks and handing him a massive contract? PFF doesn't rank him crazy high and Football Refrence shows he had one good year. Isn't it a huge Red Flag the Chiefs are so willing to trade him? If you wanted to do that, why not trade for Higgins? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 17, 2024 12:41:47 GMT -5
You really need to change the direction and perception of this team if you want free agents to sign here no? That's why you spend money and get better, it's the NFL you should be trying to make the playoffs every year.
One year deals free up money next year, the cap goes up a good amount every year and you can do so many things that cap space isn't like any other sport. I don't mind rolling some cap space over, it shouldn't be anywhere near what we currently have. If that's the plan, they should have front loaded deals for Onwenu, not back loaded them!
Yeah it sucks that this free agent class was more defense than offense, but still a bunch of good pieces we can sign, most have been mentioned already. Next up low cost trades for guys teams just want to dump, a lot of that happens on draft day after replacements are drafted.
At WR were at the point I'm looking at Chase Claypool.
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