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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 18, 2024 15:02:55 GMT -5
I think you missed the point. Almost any contract with a big signing bonus is front loaded cash wise, I'm talking front loading a contract cap (sic) wise, not cash. Example Onwenu Cap hit 10.9, 21.0 and 25.0 million. Cash per year 26 million, 13.5 and 17.5 million. Fairly standard contract, most teams do that because teams always want more cap space. Why so many players get released in NFL. I don't see the point if you aren't going to spend money this year. Compared to something like cap hits of 18, 18 and 18. I probably shouldn't have said front loading, it's more not back loading contracts cap hit wise. Tom Brady might be the worst example ever BTW. The guy most years was underpaid by NFL terms, 30 million was nothing for top QBs. I'll repeat: there is zero advantage to shifting cap charges to early years versus later years. It is math; it is not opinion. It is irrefutable. The only caveat being the unused salary cap space must rollover (Patriots have always done this). The mention of Tom Brady's contract situation* was only intended to demonstrate how it caught the media's attention, how they advocated for him being "underpaid," a possible outcome if a team "frontloads" a contract. Although the downside might be somewhat overstated, in my eyes it is sufficient reason not to do it because there is ZERO benefit to be gained. * I might have cited Richard Seymore's advocacy by a certain beat reporter (who now pollutes the airwaves from 2-6) writing multiple times how unfair it was the player wasn't able to talk about his injuries (#MeanieBill) -- the point was the same: it's low-hanging fruit for media to latch onto. Cap charges are differ than cash due to the player; you’re conflating the two. Players complain about the cash coming to them not the cap charges. Often they overlap but not always. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 18, 2024 15:13:56 GMT -5
I am not conflating anything.
It was suggested it would be beneficial to "frontload" Big Mike's cap charge (as opposed to the "escalation method" NE typically uses).
I stated there is zero value (to the team) in doing that. Period.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 18, 2024 18:44:02 GMT -5
I am not conflating anything. It was suggested it would be beneficial to "frontload" Big Mike's cap charge (as opposed to the "escalation method" NE typically uses). I stated there is zero value (to the team) in doing that. Period. As long as you’ll roll over, and not use cap space I’d tend to agree there’s little value to it fo the team, but you could keep the salary structure the same by reducing signing bonus and increasing the first year salary. This would lower cap hits later but not reduce the cash a player is getting in those future years. It’d also make the dead money less when/if you want to cut the player. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2024 20:22:59 GMT -5
Patriots over last 5 years have carried over very little money outside 2020 covid year because of the opt out players. Last 3 years have basically been nothing, 2019 little over $5 million. So I'm not sure where the idea comes from they are going to roll over tons of money. That certainly hasn't been the norm, not even close.
Per NFL you have to spend 89% of cap space over 4 year period.
How about the benefit of not being listed as one of the top teams with cap space? Showing fans you are spending money.
The idea that how a contract is structured isn't beneficial to the team is frankly crazy. It's not math and everything is equal. You can structure contracts a million different ways to help your teams current needs and stay within the rules. I didn't just make this up, NFL teams have front loaded contracts before.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 18, 2024 20:55:00 GMT -5
Patriots over last 5 years have carried over very little money outside 2020 covid year because of the opt out players. Last 3 years have basically been nothing, 2019 little over $5 million. So I'm not sure where the idea comes from they are going to roll over tons of money. That certainly hasn't been the norm, not even close. Per NFL you have to spend 89% of cap space over 4 year period. #1
How about the benefit of not being listed as one of the top teams with cap space? Showing fans you are spending money. The idea that how a contract is structured isn't beneficial to the team is frankly crazy. #2 It's not math and everything is equal. You can structure contracts a million different ways to help your teams current needs and stay within the rules. I didn't just make this up, NFL teams have front loaded contracts before. #1 -- that is incorrect & #2 -- that isn't what I said. More confusion & obfuscation & bad faith arguments. Eta -- the last unfun (no doubt for everyone) disagreement we'll have. I took the "block" option (1st time ever) & suggest you do likewise. Life's too short, eh? |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 18, 2024 21:18:18 GMT -5
Isaiah Wynn resigns with MIA
Byron Cowart signs with CHI
Trent Brown visits with CIN
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2024 21:49:46 GMT -5
Patriots over last 5 years have carried over very little money outside 2020 covid year because of the opt out players. Last 3 years have basically been nothing, 2019 little over $5 million. So I'm not sure where the idea comes from they are going to roll over tons of money. That certainly hasn't been the norm, not even close. Per NFL you have to spend 89% of cap space over 4 year period. #1
How about the benefit of not being listed as one of the top teams with cap space? Showing fans you are spending money. The idea that how a contract is structured isn't beneficial to the team is frankly crazy. #2 It's not math and everything is equal. You can structure contracts a million different ways to help your teams current needs and stay within the rules. I didn't just make this up, NFL teams have front loaded contracts before. #1 -- that is incorrect & #2 -- that isn't what I said. More confusion & obfuscation & bad faith arguments. Eta -- the last unfun (no doubt for everyone) disagreement we'll have. I took the "block" option (1st time ever) & suggest you do likewise. Life's too short, eh? |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 18, 2024 22:12:37 GMT -5
Good explanation
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 19, 2024 10:52:25 GMT -5
Interesting.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 19, 2024 11:43:48 GMT -5
Are we not even going to go have dinner with him? What are Wolf & Mayo doing?  ? /s |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 19, 2024 11:47:24 GMT -5
Are we not even going to go have dinner with him? What are Wolf & Mayo doing? ? /s Patriots expect a marriage, but won't even take their potential QB out on a date. Disgusting. |
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Mar 19, 2024 12:28:31 GMT -5
Are we not even going to go have dinner with him? What are Wolf & Mayo doing? ? /s Patriots expect a marriage, but won't even take their potential QB out on a date. Disgusting. We know this how? We do know they’ve met with him at the combine. Why assume based on this that they have no other plans to get more info? |
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Post by cdj on Mar 19, 2024 12:45:10 GMT -5
Patriots expect a marriage, but won't even take their potential QB out on a date. Disgusting. We know this how? We do know they’ve met with him at the combine. Why assume based on this that they have no other plans to get more info? it’s all sarcasm  |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 19, 2024 14:40:59 GMT -5
Patriots expect a marriage, but won't even take their potential QB out on a date. Disgusting. We know this how? We do know they’ve met with him at the combine. Why assume based on this that they have no other plans to get more info? My name is John Patriots and I can assure you I have no plans of taking JJ MIDcarthy, I’m going to draft Drake Maye. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 19, 2024 14:57:56 GMT -5
The question for me is what do the Patriots do if the first two picks are Williams and Maye? I'll add taking Jayden Daniels #3 is not an option for me, heck I'd take McCarthy over Daniels. I'm not taking McCarthy #3 either.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 19, 2024 15:12:51 GMT -5
Jeudy getting 41M guaranteed for 3 year deal.
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Post by rasimon on Mar 19, 2024 15:48:52 GMT -5
How long before CIN fans tire of Trent Brown? How long before he is back in NE?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 19, 2024 16:16:01 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 19, 2024 16:17:40 GMT -5
Patriots expect a marriage, but won't even take their potential QB out on a date. Disgusting. We know this how? We do know they’ve met with him at the combine. Why assume based on this that they have no other plans to get more info? It was mostly sarcasm, but I I don't see any wine and dine stories about NE or meeting with guys right before draft day. I'm sure the Patriots have met with every potential QB prospect though just to get a feel of what's out there. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 19, 2024 17:55:11 GMT -5
The question for me is what do the Patriots do if the first two picks are Williams and Maye? I'll add taking Jayden Daniels #3 is not an option for me, heck I'd take McCarthy over Daniels. I'm not taking McCarthy #3 either. I think the popular answer is to trade down, but I’m not sure there will be a great package available to make it worth it to pass on MHJ, especially considering our WRs are also kind of ass. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 19, 2024 18:04:37 GMT -5
The question for me is what do the Patriots do if the first two picks are Williams and Maye? I'll add taking Jayden Daniels #3 is not an option for me, heck I'd take McCarthy over Daniels. I'm not taking McCarthy #3 either. You try to rape Minnesota by taking their 2 firsts this year and a first next year plus maybe a 4th this year. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 19, 2024 18:11:19 GMT -5
I'm 99% confident they're taking either Daniels or Maye. They'll probably take a LT in the 2nd round and then whatever. Next year after another poor season they'll take a highly rated WR.
The only other thought is maybe trading down for JJ, but you might only be able to slide down a few spots if you believe the Giants would take at 6 which means there's not that much value.
If you have 2 guys that scouts are raving about and you trade down and 1 of them is a hit, you're never going to live that down. It's easier to live with a swing and a miss rather than trying to maneuver around and trying to out smart everyone. I don't think Kraft wants that PR when they have the Brissett or the next Jarrett Stidham or Bailey Zappe throwing passes to MHJ while Maye or Daniels pops like CJ Stroud. Just get the WR next year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 19, 2024 19:35:59 GMT -5
I think anything frankly is in play. Wolf and company is acting like Bill, heck they are acting like this is year one of a rebuild with Bill. What's the one thing with Bill you could never do? Assume you know what they are going to do. GM is on record saying he wants to stockpile picks.
Heck Mel Kiper Jr. is starting to think maybe Patriots are thinking towards 2025 given their free agency, not 2024. So maybe no QB
If Kraft was heavily involved, is this what we he would have wanted so far? Especially given the narrative around him? Reports the Patriots are playing hardball with free agents, just like Bill did. Look at last time they took a QB they didn't love, but thought was just okay. Yeah I don't think Kraft is giving orders. Not the guy that stopped Bill from trading Mac Jones and going after Will Levis.
We'll see maybe they have some surprises in store going forward before the draft.
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Mar 19, 2024 20:31:36 GMT -5
I think anything frankly is in play. Wolf and company is acting like Bill, heck they are acting like this is year one of a rebuild with Bill. What's the one thing with Bill you could never do? Assume you know what they are going to do. GM is on record saying he wants to stockpile picks. Heck Mel Kiper Jr. is starting to think maybe Patriots are thinking towards 2025 given their free agency, not 2024. So maybe no QB If Kraft was heavily involved, is this what we he would have wanted so far? Especially given the narrative around him? Reports the Patriots are playing hardball with free agents, just like Bill did. Look at last time they took a QB they didn't love, but thought was just okay. Yeah I don't think Kraft is giving orders. Not the guy that stopped Bill from trading Mac Jones and going after Will Levis. We'll see maybe they have some surprises in store going forward before the draft. Let the first bullet fired it's not the owner it's the GM. Kraft loves fans like you which made him rich. |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 19, 2024 21:26:21 GMT -5
Ravens sign Chris Board
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