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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by costpet on Apr 4, 2024 6:44:42 GMT -5
Just glad he’s out of our division.
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Post by rasimon on Apr 4, 2024 7:44:02 GMT -5
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Post by badfishnbc on Apr 4, 2024 8:59:27 GMT -5
Just glad he’s out of our division. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 4, 2024 9:58:23 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2024 10:33:05 GMT -5
Bills trading Stefon Diggs to Houston. As a life long bills fan, good effing riddance! Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Don’t know what the heck diggs problem is or why he’s always in his feelings and gets itchy fingers on social media. Bills gave him the huge contract he wanted, he was always the number 1 target on the team and played with a great quarterback but that was never enough for him always acting like a spoiled little child. 2 teams traded him now to get away from him. Says a lot |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 4, 2024 11:55:12 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 4, 2024 12:05:07 GMT -5
Daniels, Maye and now maybe even McCarthy are likely top 5 guys. Just looking at what's available potentially (and admittedly someone could "pop") Just going off this one site, Shedeur Sanders is considered the best prospect of the draft and is given a rating of 91.0 Daniels - 90.5 JJ - 87.6 Maye - 91.6 Penix - 89.5 So basically according to them, the 3rd guy (in this case Daniels) is almost as good as the projected 1st QB next year and to get him you either have to be a 2-win team or you need to give up a ton of capital. Now that ignores other evaluations and I personally like JJ. I think his score is more of a product of needing to grow and learn within a system. After him is Drew Allar at 87.0. www.nfldraftbuzz.com/positions/QB/1/2025So, I don't know, but if I take that as gospel then you're taking a downgrade at best next year in terms of QB prospect and taking an elite WR and possibly elite LT. Assuming those guys hit and Brisett is fine then you're like a 6-7 win team and you're not sniffing at either of the top 2 QBs next year without burning draft capital and even then they're supposedly not on the same level as some guys in this draft (Unless you somehow make a play for Sanders). The only hope is that a few guys really shine and change the narrative to give a few more options. Conversely, if those guys take a step back then you're really in trouble. QB rankings for next year are all over the place, I've seen at least 3 different players ranked #1. What you're missing is all five guys I call tier two in this draft, were ranked much lower this time last year. Daniels was likely a late round draft pick! Yeah anything can happen, but that's the point. The truly elite guys are the ones that are ranked high for years or guys like Burrows who comes out of no where to have one of the best seasons for a QB ever. There's a huge difference in how you rank someone and where they get drafted. Go back to 2021 draft, I had Lawrence #1 and then Fields. Zach Wilson one year wonder didn't impress me against so so teams and neither did the crazy raw Trey Lance who played at a small school. Just like this year they get hyped up, Chris Simms thinking Wilson is #1 QB, he sees Aaron Rodgers. Why I do my own rankings and let the game tape speak. McCarthy might have good upside, he certainly doesn't have elite upside unless it's crap like Tom Brady. Yeah I like him more than Daniels throwing, not saying much. Love his throwing on the run, I just don't see enough, not even close for top 3 grade. I'm risk adverse at #3 with the talent available. I'll take Maye #3 and support that pick no matter what happens. Mac Jones, Cole Strange, Thornton, just some recent guys drafted too high because of need. Draft needs to be about value, which is why I wanted them to fill more holes. Some of the biggest draft busts ever were need picks. You'll never convince me need should trump value. I liked Cole Strange, as a 3rd round pick! They draft JJ McCarthy #3 I hope they know what they are doing. As Texas pointed out, you are so focused on QB at pick #3, that you won't even consider other options. Example Will Levis who I liked last year after reports Bill really liked him. Projected high pick right before draft, drops to 2nd round. You really need to look at all options, I guarantee you the Patriots are. For all we know they love Specer Rattler who similar somewhat to Baker Mayfield who played under Pelt. The Mac Jones draft was they liked Jones and Mills, which is interesting no? Something is up, the crap coming out about the Patriots doesn't stop. Now it's Wolf loves JJ McCarthy, it makes zero sense. You don't hype up a player you want to draft. They are either playing games or they need to get their crap in order. The draft needs to get here ASAP. I could be mistaken, but everything I've seen and heard is that next year's class is going to be bad to terrible. Even if there's 1-2 guys that are pretty good you're still going to not be in position to take either guy. So you trade back, collect an additional pick and take a WR and a tackle. To get them you'll need to give up future 1st round picks to claim a likely lesser QB. For me I'd rather have best available QB and downgraded prospects for WR and LT than the reverse. There's a possibility Bo Nix goes 3 and Daniels falls to the end of the 1st. I get our valuations are vastly different than NFL teams. I will say Will Levis is a big question mark and Davis Mills was nothing special. I want them to also draft Rattler if he's available in the 3rd. I want them to take two swings at the position and release Zappe. Use the 2nd pick for a LT or WR depending on who has the better rated prospect available, ideally LT. Agreed on the draft needing to hurry up. In this case, Wolf could be honest. If they know who the Commanders are taking they have first dibs on everyone else. I doubt they're afraid of Washington taking him and if by some miracle they do, they'll pivot to Maye or Daniels depending on who they actually liked more. But it could be a signal that, "hey everyone, look at these guys, you should really consider trading to get one of them". |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 4, 2024 13:15:50 GMT -5
What Schefty's hearing on Picks 1 & 2:
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2024 13:39:09 GMT -5
What Schefty's hearing on Picks 1 & 2: One can only hope. Dream scenario is Maye falls to 3 and we take him and the team is disciplined enough to sit him year one. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 4, 2024 13:58:53 GMT -5
How about Drake Maye is there at 3 and the Pats trade down 🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️💨💨
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 4, 2024 14:52:20 GMT -5
How about Drake Maye is there at 3 and the Pats trade down 🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️💨💨  Don't get cute, the Washington Team is already doing us a solid by being inconceivably stupid. Take Drake Maye. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 4, 2024 14:57:24 GMT -5
Analysts who study these players professionally are divided, yet here we find such certainty?
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 4, 2024 15:06:18 GMT -5
Analysts who study these players professionally are divided, yet here we find such certainty? Drake Maye is a better prospect than Jayden Daniels and a FAR better prospect than JJ MIDcarthy. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 4, 2024 15:12:27 GMT -5
Duly noted. Although many analysts disagree.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 4, 2024 15:20:43 GMT -5
Duly noted. Although many analysts disagree. Bookmark this and remind me in a few years. Maye is Justin Herbert 2. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 4, 2024 15:32:56 GMT -5
Analysts who study these players professionally are divided, yet here we find such certainty? I read something someone else wrote and my mind is completely made up and will forever hate the Patriots if guy I read isn't drafted by them, based on the article from some guy I read. Drake Maye is my preference. I think last year was a bit of an aberration with having top talent leaving. He still wasn't bad. He just wasn't as good. From my understanding he has some footwork issues to get through. So did N'Keal Harry. I'm not going to pretend to know more than the Patriots scouts, but I will be angry if they don't go with their favorite guy and pass or miss on just about all of them or get the last "best" guy in Bo Nix. Analysts are split on 3-4 guys being elite prospect types. You have the 3rd pick. Use it on best available. I'm already waiting for, "Patriots traded back to 10 in hopes of getting JJ who was picked by the NYG at 6". Edit: and if the Patriots scouts don't like these kids that much (but expect another team to dump 2 1st rounders on them) then maybe they should have burned some of that cash on Mayfield or Cousins and do a little better than 1 year of Brissett. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 4, 2024 16:57:30 GMT -5
QB rankings for next year are all over the place, I've seen at least 3 different players ranked #1. What you're missing is all five guys I call tier two in this draft, were ranked much lower this time last year. Daniels was likely a late round draft pick! Yeah anything can happen, but that's the point. The truly elite guys are the ones that are ranked high for years or guys like Burrows who comes out of no where to have one of the best seasons for a QB ever. There's a huge difference in how you rank someone and where they get drafted. Go back to 2021 draft, I had Lawrence #1 and then Fields. Zach Wilson one year wonder didn't impress me against so so teams and neither did the crazy raw Trey Lance who played at a small school. Just like this year they get hyped up, Chris Simms thinking Wilson is #1 QB, he sees Aaron Rodgers. Why I do my own rankings and let the game tape speak. McCarthy might have good upside, he certainly doesn't have elite upside unless it's crap like Tom Brady. Yeah I like him more than Daniels throwing, not saying much. Love his throwing on the run, I just don't see enough, not even close for top 3 grade. I'm risk adverse at #3 with the talent available. I'll take Maye #3 and support that pick no matter what happens. Mac Jones, Cole Strange, Thornton, just some recent guys drafted too high because of need. Draft needs to be about value, which is why I wanted them to fill more holes. Some of the biggest draft busts ever were need picks. You'll never convince me need should trump value. I liked Cole Strange, as a 3rd round pick! They draft JJ McCarthy #3 I hope they know what they are doing. As Texas pointed out, you are so focused on QB at pick #3, that you won't even consider other options. Example Will Levis who I liked last year after reports Bill really liked him. Projected high pick right before draft, drops to 2nd round. You really need to look at all options, I guarantee you the Patriots are. For all we know they love Specer Rattler who similar somewhat to Baker Mayfield who played under Pelt. The Mac Jones draft was they liked Jones and Mills, which is interesting no? Something is up, the crap coming out about the Patriots doesn't stop. Now it's Wolf loves JJ McCarthy, it makes zero sense. You don't hype up a player you want to draft. They are either playing games or they need to get their crap in order. The draft needs to get here ASAP. I could be mistaken, but everything I've seen and heard is that next year's class is going to be bad to terrible. Even if there's 1-2 guys that are pretty good you're still going to not be in position to take either guy. So you trade back, collect an additional pick and take a WR and a tackle. To get them you'll need to give up future 1st round picks to claim a likely lesser QB. For me I'd rather have best available QB and downgraded prospects for WR and LT than the reverse. There's a possibility Bo Nix goes 3 and Daniels falls to the end of the 1st. I get our valuations are vastly different than NFL teams. I will say Will Levis is a big question mark and Davis Mills was nothing special. I want them to also draft Rattler if he's available in the 3rd. I want them to take two swings at the position and release Zappe. Use the 2nd pick for a LT or WR depending on who has the better rated prospect available, ideally LT. Agreed on the draft needing to hurry up. In this case, Wolf could be honest. If they know who the Commanders are taking they have first dibs on everyone else. I doubt they're afraid of Washington taking him and if by some miracle they do, they'll pivot to Maye or Daniels depending on who they actually liked more. But it could be a signal that, "hey everyone, look at these guys, you should really consider trading to get one of them". That's not true, you literally posted a link showing Sanders rated as a high first round pick for next year. Multiple other QBs were in first round discussion this year, Sanders, Texas QB and before his injury Duke QB. Heck based on your site you listed Sanders would have a chance to be tier 1 next year. Showing that not everyone agrees and again look what happened this year. Daniels was at best a mid round pick before this year. There's a bunch of guys just like Penix, Nix, Daniels and Rattler in next year's draft. Again I don't see why next years class matters, they most likely take a QB in this draft. It's really just a question of which one and how they do it. Given what you say you want in a QB, you should love Will Levis. Who knows what happens, but he has big upside. Mills was just an example of how crazy the Patriots ranking can be. New GM so we don't know how he operates, but he's going to have his guys. He's going to have multiple plans how the draft could go depending on what happens. My first list was just ranking the QBs, I'm working on updating it just for the Patriots. I love Rattler, like really love him. His arm talent is crazy, but like I said before no way can I use an early third pick on a QB after taking one at #3. I take Maye at #3, there no use for Rattler. Maybe 4th round you could make the case he's best value, but not likely given the starting level players available at multiple positions. I keep Zappe because say we take Maye or gulp McCarthy at #3, then Brissett gets injured early. I'm not rushing those guys till they are ready. Nevermind a 3rd year veteran can help a rookie more than another rookie can. Sorry I'll never buy he's telling everyone he loves this guy for any reason other than to get another player to drop or like you said drum up trade interest. No way he knows who Washington is taking, multiple people are reporting different things. It's that time of year, we probably shouldn't even pay attention to any of it till a few days before the draft. NFL doing a brilliant job keeping us talking about football. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 4, 2024 17:16:28 GMT -5
I could be mistaken, but everything I've seen and heard is that next year's class is going to be bad to terrible. Even if there's 1-2 guys that are pretty good you're still going to not be in position to take either guy. So you trade back, collect an additional pick and take a WR and a tackle. To get them you'll need to give up future 1st round picks to claim a likely lesser QB. For me I'd rather have best available QB and downgraded prospects for WR and LT than the reverse. There's a possibility Bo Nix goes 3 and Daniels falls to the end of the 1st. I get our valuations are vastly different than NFL teams. I will say Will Levis is a big question mark and Davis Mills was nothing special. I want them to also draft Rattler if he's available in the 3rd. I want them to take two swings at the position and release Zappe. Use the 2nd pick for a LT or WR depending on who has the better rated prospect available, ideally LT. Agreed on the draft needing to hurry up. In this case, Wolf could be honest. If they know who the Commanders are taking they have first dibs on everyone else. I doubt they're afraid of Washington taking him and if by some miracle they do, they'll pivot to Maye or Daniels depending on who they actually liked more. But it could be a signal that, "hey everyone, look at these guys, you should really consider trading to get one of them". That's not true, you literally posted a link showing Sanders rated as a high first round pick for next year. Multiple other QBs were in first round discussion this year, Sanders, Texas QB and before his injury Duke QB. Heck based on your site you listed Sanders would have a chance to be tier 1 next year. Showing that not everyone agrees and again look what happened this year. Daniels was at best a mid round pick before this year. There's a bunch of guys just like Penix, Nix, Daniels and Rattler in next year's draft. Again I don't see why next years class matters, they most likely take a QB in this draft. It's really just a question of which one and how they do it. Given what you say you want in a QB, you should love Will Levis. Who knows what happens, but he has big upside. Mills was just an example of how crazy the Patriots ranking can be. New GM so we don't know how he operates, but he's going to have his guys. He's going to have multiple plans how the draft could go depending on what happens. My first list was just ranking the QBs, I'm working on updating it just for the Patriots. I love Rattler, like really love him. His arm talent is crazy, but like I said before no way can I use an early third pick on a QB after taking one at #3. I take Maye at #3, there no use for Rattler. Maybe 4th round you could make the case he's best value, but not likely given the starting level players available at multiple positions. I keep Zappe because say we take Maye or gulp McCarthy at #3, then Brissett gets injured early. I'm not rushing those guys till they are ready. Nevermind a 3rd year veteran can help a rookie more than another rookie can. Sorry I'll never buy he's telling everyone he loves this guy for any reason other than to get another player to drop or like you said drum up trade interest. No way he knows who Washington is taking, multiple people are reporting different things. It's that time of year, we probably shouldn't even pay attention to any of it till a few days before the draft. NFL doing a brilliant job keeping us talking about football. Yes, and according to their ranking Sanders would be 3rd, only ever so slightly, over Daniels in this draft. Outside of him from this one source, there's a clear drop off according to how the other guys are rated. The 2nd guy is lower than JJ and Penix. That doesn't sound very promising and to get to that one guy you'll need to tank or sacrifice capital. That's if you trust their assessments. I personally like the numbers to make it easier to visualize how some people are viewing guys. Next year's class matters if you believe this team is better than a 5 win team. You're not getting the top guy and you're likely not getting the top 2 or 3 unless they're on Kenny Pickett's level. If the best guy is probably 3rd in this draft end you have a mid pick, that's not a great place to start. But you're right that Jayden Daniels and JJ McCarthy flew up draft boards so we'll have to see by next year. It just seems so much more risky in getting a really good QB prospect. I also think the fact they tried to get Riddley means they're not interested in using that first pick on a WR. I don't think them missing on signing him is going to change their draft strategy with that pick. But if Wolf truly loves McCarthy and he knows Maye or Daniels is going 2nd au don't see the harm in being honest. If they were picking 5-6th I would 100% call it a smoke screen. I think it's 60% likely it is one since they're picking 3rd. I think the reason why he might is because when they do take him they'll say he was always their guy and make fans more comfortable with the pick instead of the guy they missed out on or the guy the fan really wanted. Unless Washington shocks the world there's no scenario where they lose out on the player they're trying to hype up. Again, I think it's more of a smoke screen than not, but I can see why it might not be. It could be for reasons simply beyond football and more about creating buzz and fan excitement. I can also see Wolf saying, "we really liked McCarthy, but we also didn't expect to see Maye fall to 3". I really want them to trade up. Maybe that's what they're trying to do. Pump up Daniels and JJ to give Washington equally good options and give up the 2nd pick for them to simply move back 1 spot. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 4, 2024 18:16:43 GMT -5
I’d rather be on the guy analysts have questions about than the guy they are crowning they seem to have a higher hit rate just anecdotally.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 4, 2024 21:38:36 GMT -5
We all laugh but maybe we should get ready for a Viking trade down, then watch them pick a DE and OT in first. Then early 2nd take Michael Pratt. Then in 3rd a CB, 4th DT, then in 5th finally a WR. 6th round kicker and RB, then a special teams Ace in the 7th.
Really great picks on D, with the offensive ones leaving us scratching our heads. Talk about defense wins championships and we have extra picks next year, Rome was built in a day and Tom Brady isn't walking through those doors.
Then sign OBJ to a 20 million a year deal because he can really help the new young QB they love.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 4, 2024 22:27:35 GMT -5
That would really set off the new regime with a bang.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 5, 2024 11:14:01 GMT -5
A couple of QB morsels from the article: Do you know who's who? |
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Post by badfishnbc on Apr 5, 2024 12:19:22 GMT -5
I don't think a move for a WR1 doesn't happen until after the first round is complete. I think they'll wait to see if they get the QB they want and what's available at the top of Round 2 before deciding to shell out for marquee receiver.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 5, 2024 14:22:12 GMT -5
Wouldn't mind them getting aggressive (assuming they get their QB at the top) and move up to get an X in the late 1st.
Or really go crazy and draft Odunze at 3 and then move up to get Penix to pair the former teammates (only partially joking here).
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 5, 2024 15:53:53 GMT -5
ESPN Insiders "word on the street" content:
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