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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 17, 2024 7:55:33 GMT -5
I know Brock Purdy isn't exactly a top 5 QB, but he is good. The 49ers got insanely lucky with that pick. I'm willing to bet if they had Trey Lance, Jimmy Garapollo or signed someone like Jacoby Brissett I don't think they're as good of a team. The model for the 49ers is to accumulate a ton of picks, make picks at every other position and hope they all hit and are not N'Keal Harry, Isiah Wynn, Malcom Brown, Derek Rivers, Ras-I Dowling, Chad Jackson (point wasn't that Patriots draft poorly, just that other positions can fail too) and then hope that once your roster is stacked you get super lucky with a late pick at QB.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 17, 2024 8:47:41 GMT -5
Brugler 7 Round Mock ($) New England Patriots 1 (3). Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina 2 (34). Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU 3 (68). Malachi Corley, WR, Western Kentucky 4 (103). Jalyx Hunt, Edge, Houston Christian 5 (137). Sataoa Laumea, GG, Utah 6 (180). Jaden Crumedy, DT, Mississippi State 6 (193). Bub Means, WR, Pittsburgh 7 (231). Mark Perry, S, TCU Corley is lower on my board than a few others (I'd take Polk over him in Brugler's scenario) and I'm wondering if we dip into RB at some point, but I feel the top of the draft here.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 17, 2024 11:15:58 GMT -5
I know Brock Purdy isn't exactly a top 5 QB, but he is good. The 49ers got insanely lucky with that pick. I'm willing to bet if they had Trey Lance, Jimmy Garapollo or signed someone like Jacoby Brissett I don't think they're as good of a team. The model for the 49ers is to accumulate a ton of picks, make picks at every other position and hope they all hit and are not N'Keal Harry, Isiah Wynn, Malcom Brown, Derek Rivers, Ras-I Dowling, Chad Jackson (point wasn't that Patriots draft poorly, just that other positions can fail too) and then hope that once your roster is stacked you get super lucky with a late pick at QB. To be fair, the 49ers didn’t plan for Brock Purdy. Their plan was Trey Lance, which was a high pick. They just got lucky on a good player to run a legendary offensive system. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 17, 2024 11:33:43 GMT -5
I know Brock Purdy isn't exactly a top 5 QB, but he is good. The 49ers got insanely lucky with that pick. I'm willing to bet if they had Trey Lance, Jimmy Garapollo or signed someone like Jacoby Brissett I don't think they're as good of a team. The model for the 49ers is to accumulate a ton of picks, make picks at every other position and hope they all hit and are not N'Keal Harry, Isiah Wynn, Malcom Brown, Derek Rivers, Ras-I Dowling, Chad Jackson (point wasn't that Patriots draft poorly, just that other positions can fail too) and then hope that once your roster is stacked you get super lucky with a late pick at QB. To be fair, the 49ers didn’t plan for Brock Purdy. Their plan was Trey Lance, which was a high pick. They just got lucky on a good player to run a legendary offensive system. Which is true which also means that the 49ers plan wasn't even the 49ers plan lol |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 17, 2024 11:51:43 GMT -5
The 49ers (or more accurately Kyle Shanahan) also have a system that props up the QB with easy throws and a heavy emphasis on the running game. They can go through a Russian roulette of QBs to find “their guy” can the Patriots really afford that?
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Post by mobaz on Apr 17, 2024 13:10:00 GMT -5
::fingers crossed::
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 17, 2024 13:39:46 GMT -5
Brugler 7 Round Mock ($) New England Patriots 1 (3). Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina 2 (34). Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU 3 (68). Malachi Corley, WR, Western Kentucky 4 (103). Jalyx Hunt, Edge, Houston Christian 5 (137). Sataoa Laumea, GG, Utah 6 (180). Jaden Crumedy, DT, Mississippi State 6 (193). Bub Means, WR, Pittsburgh 7 (231). Mark Perry, S, TCU Corley is lower on my board than a few others (I'd take Polk over him in Brugler's scenario) and I'm wondering if we dip into RB at some point, but I feel the top of the draft here. Imagine, having a "board'? You've scouted Corley, and other 50 or 60 draftable wide receivers, extensively have you? |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 17, 2024 13:41:01 GMT -5
Last year the market moved heavily in favor of Will Levis as the favorite at #2.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 17, 2024 14:46:11 GMT -5
FWIW, Belichick (on the McAfee show where he will be joining them for their Draft special) said that information doesn't leak from teams until about 12 hours before the draft. Most of the information at this point is from agents.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 17, 2024 14:47:43 GMT -5
Brugler 7 Round Mock ($) New England Patriots 1 (3). Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina 2 (34). Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU 3 (68). Malachi Corley, WR, Western Kentucky 4 (103). Jalyx Hunt, Edge, Houston Christian 5 (137). Sataoa Laumea, GG, Utah 6 (180). Jaden Crumedy, DT, Mississippi State 6 (193). Bub Means, WR, Pittsburgh 7 (231). Mark Perry, S, TCU Corley is lower on my board than a few others (I'd take Polk over him in Brugler's scenario) and I'm wondering if we dip into RB at some point, but I feel the top of the draft here. Imagine, having a "board'? You've scouted Corley, and other 50 or 60 draftable wide receivers, extensively have you?A little snarky there. Because of a long-term fantasy football league where we pick pre-NFL players, I basically have, yes. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 17, 2024 15:20:46 GMT -5
Imagine, having a "board'? You've scouted Corley, and other 50 or 60 draftable wide receivers, extensively have you? Bro, do you need a hug or something? You’re angry all the time and lashing out at posters who are knowledgeable about stuff they’re saying. I could do without this negativity right now because I’m doing the biggest fingers crossed ever that the Washington drafts Daniels. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 17, 2024 15:46:43 GMT -5
Imagine, having a "board'? You've scouted Corley, and other 50 or 60 draftable wide receivers, extensively have you? Bro, do you need a hug or something? You're angry all the time and lashing out at posters who are knowledgeable about stuff they’re saying. I could do without this negativity right now because I’m doing the biggest fingers crossed ever that the Washington drafts Daniels. "Bro," that aint "angry;" that's amused. Sorry, but I find amateur opinions posing as professional opinions amusing, sometimes. Other times I am saddened by the self-deception. But today is a happy day & today I was amused by the reference to a "board," & I thought to share that source of my amusement (maybe other would find this funny too?). My post was not intended to offend anyone (perhaps cause the OP to blush just a bit) but now that my post has caught greater scrutiny I can see that was naive thinking on my part. It might very well be categorized as "snarky," and regardless of my intent words have a life of their own once put on the page and I am left to own the result, for good or ill. So carry on with your merriment as you see fit & I will pledge to better restrain the sources of mine own. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 17, 2024 17:54:26 GMT -5
My recent mock draft using PFN, call it more of a realistic take that we have a defensive coach and we won't fill every need in one year. Only one small trade down.
3. Drake Maye QB
34. Adonai Mitchell WR
68. Payton Wilson LB
103. Javon Baker WR
146. Javon Foster OT
180. Elijah Jones CB
182. Khristian Boyd DT
193. Isaiah Williams WR
231. Travis Glover OT
Yeah no high OT, no DE or RB that I really wanted to take. I just wanted to get Maye downfield weapons with Mitchell and Baker. I couldn't resist the risk with Wilson at LB, who I see as a first round talent. Foster had a good senior bowl, LT with tons of SEC experience. Just the way the board went. Jones BC man cover corner. Boyd huge DT. Williams is a sleeper WR for me, I'm going to keep taking WR till we have multiple hits. Glover small school LT prospect as a developmental type guy who they brought in for a top 30 visit.
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Post by rasimon on Apr 17, 2024 18:38:38 GMT -5
my #2 OLman Amarius Mims *** RT Georgia, age 21.4 MDB: 23 ROB SAYS: top 15 www.mockdraftable.com/player/amarius-mims ranks among OT Height: 6'7 3/4" (91st), Weight: 340 lbs (94th), Wingspan: 64 3/4" (97th), Arms: 36 1/8" (95th), Hands: 11 1/4" (97th) 40-Yard: 5.07s (84th), 10-Yard: 1.78s (54th), Vert: 25 1/2" (19th), Broad: 111" (85th) PFF Pass: 168 snaps, 81.2 pass, 0 sacks, 0 hits, 1 hurry PFF Run: 129 snaps, 68.4 run, 58.4 zone, 70.4 gap Pass Pro vs Ga Tech: Pass Pro vs SC: Pass Pro vs Ohio St: Georgia OL vs Tenn: playing RT * Played RT exclusively. He could probably play LT. Enormous, strong, fast, a bit unrefined. Frequently dominant in pass protection. Anchor is excellent. No issues with outside speed rushers. He can occasionally get fooled by inside counters but that looks correctable. He has the speed to get there. Needs some work in run blocking. Once he latches on, its over, but sometimes he seems slow to recognize who his target is. This should also improve. The major concern with Mims is he has only played 803 snaps over three years. Pre 2023, Georgia was playing older players ahead of Mims. Late 2022, Mims finally got his chance and was awesome (see Ohio St). 2023, he missed games 4-10 with a high ankle sprain that required surgery. But if the point of the draft is to get high upside players, Mims, along with Alt, have the highest upside among OLmen. I would risk a high 1st round pick on him. |
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Post by philarhody on Apr 18, 2024 8:49:52 GMT -5
Feels like the Jayden Daniels at #2 smoke may be fading. Shades of Mac Jones to SF (both Adam Peters)?
If I was a betting man, I’d sprinkle something on Drake Maye to the commanders while I can still get it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2024 10:36:13 GMT -5
I like my OL guys experienced and battle hardened, while getting better each year. Joe Alt 3 year starter, got better each year, is young, great size, former defensive player who's still new to OL. I have some issues with him, like Notre Dame not running behind him.
Mims has only started 8 games in his entire career. I like him more than Guyton because he's actually been good, but not great. PFF has many players with good upsides rated above him in this draft. Jones another upside guy from Georgia that went to Steelers wasn't very good last year. It's becoming a trend that these highly drafted OL guys with upside aren't doing very well in the NFL.
Jordan Morgan was my main target for months, highly athletic with years of good play. He's got very short arms and now most people are projecting him to OG. I have to agree with 32" arms, which is a shame.
Patrick Paul OT Houston. He has elite size, is very athletic, tons of starting experience at LT. Much better pass protection than run blocking right now. Big knock I keep hearing is teams want to see more of a mauler attitude with him. Only issue I have mocking him to Patriots is they seem to be looking at those maulers in the run game a lot.
Still the biggest thing for our OL is our new coaches actually being good and getting our guys to improve, while working as one unit.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 18, 2024 10:46:17 GMT -5
After seeing some of his tik tok dances, it’s not exactly surprising that Jayden Daniels doesn’t stand out in a room full of alphas.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 18, 2024 11:55:55 GMT -5
After seeing some of his tik tok dances, it’s not exactly surprising that Jayden Daniels doesn’t stand out in a room full of alphas. Compared to Caleb Williams Also, cross-sport reference, but I think Roman Anthony has fallen victim to TikTok dances. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 18, 2024 12:39:17 GMT -5
Listened to Phil Simms on SiriusXM with Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller yesterday. He sees JJ as a fit for NE, doesn't think Maye is ready (too many simple misses), expects Daniels to go #2. Likes Nix & loves the Penix arm. More too.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2024 13:06:01 GMT -5
Why do so many draft experts struggle to equal things out? You have to adjust for Talent level of OL, WR, RB and the offensive system. You just can't compare QB and not adjust, like how many QBs look great playing for Patriots last year? Versus a team like the 49ers?
I always ask questions like what happens if you switch Daniels with Maye, McCarthy for Maye, etc.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 18, 2024 13:28:39 GMT -5
Listened to Phil Simms on SiriusXM with Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller yesterday. He sees JJ as a fit for NE, doesn't think Maye is ready (too many simple misses), expects Daniels to go #2. Likes Nix & loves the Penix arm. More too. Blows my mind "sees JJ as a fit, Maye not ready". I get not loving the floor with Maye and thinking McCarthy might be less of a boom or bust, but neither guy is "ready". I just want the highest ceiling and hope Rattler is there in round 3. If not, maybe Tanner Mordecai, Kedon Slovis, or Jordan Travis in the 6th round. They desperately need a QB and we know Zappe isn't going to be it. Big believer in giving it 2 swings vs the 1. |
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Post by rasimon on Apr 18, 2024 13:42:25 GMT -5
Why do so many draft experts struggle to equal things out? You have to adjust for Talent level of OL, WR, RB and the offensive system. You just can't compare QB and not adjust, like how many QBs look great playing for Patriots last year? Versus a team like the 49ers? I always ask questions like what happens if you switch Daniels with Maye, McCarthy for Maye, etc. Give Maye 2 more years in college, a competent OL, Nabers and Thomas. Now how does he look? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2024 13:48:50 GMT -5
Why do so many draft experts struggle to equal things out? You have to adjust for Talent level of OL, WR, RB and the offensive system. You just can't compare QB and not adjust, like how many QBs look great playing for Patriots last year? Versus a team like the 49ers? I always ask questions like what happens if you switch Daniels with Maye, McCarthy for Maye, etc. Give Maye 2 more years in college, a competent OL, Nabers and Thomas. Now how does he look? Payton Manning, Andrew luck, one of the best QB talents ever draft wise! Guy had his receivers drop more passes than he had bad passes. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2024 13:52:25 GMT -5
Listened to Phil Simms on SiriusXM with Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller yesterday. He sees JJ as a fit for NE, doesn't think Maye is ready (too many simple misses), expects Daniels to go #2. Likes Nix & loves the Penix arm. More too. Blows my mind "sees JJ as a fit, Maye not ready". I get not loving the floor with Maye and thinking McCarthy might be less of a boom or bust, but neither guy is "ready". I just want the highest ceiling and hope Rattler is there in round 3. If not, maybe Tanner Mordecai, Kedon Slovis, or Jordan Travis in the 6th round. They desperately need a QB and we know Zappe isn't going to be it. Big believer in giving it 2 swings vs the 1. Devin Learly in 6th round if you want a high upside QB prospect. Mobile QB with major arm talent. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 18, 2024 14:18:35 GMT -5
Bazooka Joe late because he flicks his wrist and the ball goes zooooooooooom
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