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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 18, 2024 15:36:10 GMT -5
Listened to Phil Simms on SiriusXM with Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller yesterday. He sees JJ as a fit for NE, doesn't think Maye is ready (too many simple misses), expects Daniels to go #2. Likes Nix & loves the Penix arm. More too. Man oh man, I hope the Washingtons think like this. Take Daniels Washington, you want those Super Bowls won by a running QB like... Uh... |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2024 16:06:32 GMT -5
Bazooka Joe late because he flicks his wrist and the ball goes zooooooooooom Lol yeah and he doesn't know where it's going. A rocket for an arm is great, unless like him you have no accuracy with it. There's a reason the most physically gifted QB is projected to go late in the draft. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 18, 2024 22:30:15 GMT -5
Vegas odds just went back to a pick’em between Daniels and Maye for pick 2
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 18, 2024 22:39:58 GMT -5
Its just twitter rumors but apparently the Patriots are in on Aiyuk.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 19, 2024 6:11:08 GMT -5
Its just twitter rumors but apparently the Patriots are in on Aiyuk. An extra 1 million to the league leading cap space. I'm hoping that means they're bringing in a good piece. Interestingly, someone called 98.5 to ask Bert Breer what they should do with a pick and his response was to draft a WR and look to offload Aiyuk. Immediate first reaction. Looks like there's reports of the Steelers are trying to trade for him. Sounds like there's smoke with the 49ers attempting to move. I'm just hoping it's the Patriots and the additional cap space is a precursor. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2024 9:39:34 GMT -5
Commanders will soon make a decision on who they'll pick at #2 per GM.
Patriots are open for business at #3 per Wolf. I sure hope that means if the QB they want is gone and that QB is Maye. You just can't overlook that statement once again made a week out from the draft. I don't care if Vikings offer you 4 first round picks, if Maye is on the board you take him! If Maye is gone, that changes things.
Everyone brings up Green Bay when talking about Wolf, but he's acting more like Bill. Seems those 4 years under Bill were very meaningful. That's all the Anderson thing, typical Bill type move. Wait till free agent market is 100% dead and get a player to take a payout.
Per reports they called Eagles about AJ Brown and were told he's off limits. So they are certainly out there trying everything. Will they meet the price if a player is traded or just wait for a good deal? I think it picks up on draft day. Those team pick another WR or a guy they want is there at a pick they can get in trade. I'd assume if Patriots pick QB at #3, they get more aggressive in trade talks.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 19, 2024 11:08:15 GMT -5
I've heard several folks talk about how unlikely more than one or two of these 2024 QBs prove worthy of the selection. Then I see this and say, "Hmm, not so bad ...)"
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2024 12:03:18 GMT -5
Well it all depends where the QBs get drafted, bar for top 3 pick is much higher than pick 10-15 and the bar at 16-32 is even lower.
Best QB draft of all-time is 1983, two all-time greats in Marino/Elway, a very good Jim Kelly, a very solid Ken O'Brien and an okay Tony Eason all taken in first.
2020 first 5 QBs taken are all good to better QBs, long way to go, but that has a chance to be the best draft class ever. Maybe they don't reach the heights of two all-time greats, but you could have 5 QBs with AAV of over 100 for their careers. Never been done before and zero busts for 5 straight picks. Even that 1983 class has #2 QB pick, 7th overall busting completely in Todd Blackledy. Then Eason and O'Brien going before Marino.
Take that 2020 class, it's crazy good for it's depth of starting level QBs, how does it turn out? How many great QBs, how many very good and how many just good ones?
So if you look at the last 40 years of QB classes how to you rank this one? What type of QB are you chasing? How many will be great, very good, good, solid or so-so?
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2024 13:21:17 GMT -5
Well it all depends where the QBs get drafted, bar for top 3 pick is much higher than pick 10-15 and the bar at 16-32 is even lower. Best QB draft of all-time is 1983, two all-time greats in Marino/Elway, a very good Jim Kelly, a very solid Ken O'Brien and an okay Tony Eason all taken in first. 2020 first 5 QBs taken are all good to better QBs, long way to go, but that has a chance to be the best draft class ever. Maybe they don't reach the heights of two all-time greats, but you could have 5 QBs with AAV of over 100 for their careers. Never been done before and zero busts for 5 straight picks. Even that 1983 class has #2 QB pick, 7th overall busting completely in Todd Blackledy. Then Eason and O'Brien going before Marino. Take that 2020 class, it's crazy good for it's depth of starting level QBs, how does it turn out? How many great QBs, how many very good and how many just good ones? So if you look at the last 40 years of QB classes how to you rank this one? What type of QB are you chasing? How many will be great, very good, good, solid or so-so? That’s a big disrespectful to Jim Kelly. He’s better than very good. He was a great QB. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 19, 2024 13:29:40 GMT -5
So now Schefter is saying that Daniels may not want to go two and hints at the possibility that he wants the Raiders. The Raiders would have to give their next 5 firsts for the Pats to trade down I guess.
I know players don’t get to choose their team so the Commies could still take him but given that I thought Maye was better all along it could open up other trade down possibilities that we have’t really discussed like trading that far down.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 19, 2024 14:22:34 GMT -5
Feels like the Jayden Daniels at #2 smoke may be fading. Shades of Mac Jones to SF (both Adam Peters)? If I was a betting man, I’d sprinkle something on Drake Maye to the commanders while I can still get it. You’re welcome fanduel people |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2024 20:17:33 GMT -5
Well it all depends where the QBs get drafted, bar for top 3 pick is much higher than pick 10-15 and the bar at 16-32 is even lower. Best QB draft of all-time is 1983, two all-time greats in Marino/Elway, a very good Jim Kelly, a very solid Ken O'Brien and an okay Tony Eason all taken in first. 2020 first 5 QBs taken are all good to better QBs, long way to go, but that has a chance to be the best draft class ever. Maybe they don't reach the heights of two all-time greats, but you could have 5 QBs with AAV of over 100 for their careers. Never been done before and zero busts for 5 straight picks. Even that 1983 class has #2 QB pick, 7th overall busting completely in Todd Blackledy. Then Eason and O'Brien going before Marino. Take that 2020 class, it's crazy good for it's depth of starting level QBs, how does it turn out? How many great QBs, how many very good and how many just good ones? So if you look at the last 40 years of QB classes how to you rank this one? What type of QB are you chasing? How many will be great, very good, good, solid or so-so? That’s a big disrespectful to Jim Kelly. He’s better than very good. He was a great QB. I think he's a level below the greats like Dan Marino and John Elways of his time. Heck his HOF level is about half of the average HOF QB. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 20, 2024 13:36:24 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 20, 2024 14:27:48 GMT -5
Draft season is crazy, actually having scouts question how athletic Drake Maye is, wow.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 20, 2024 15:22:30 GMT -5
Draft season is crazy, actually having scouts question how athletic Drake Maye is, wow. Dude this has been going on for a month and a half. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 20, 2024 15:27:43 GMT -5
All I know is that Drake Maye is the worst prospect ever and the Commanders would be silly to take him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 20, 2024 15:51:29 GMT -5
Draft season is crazy, actually having scouts question how athletic Drake Maye is, wow. Dude this has been going on for a month and a half. It's still as crazy as the first day! There's certainly things to debate with Maye, his athletic ability isn't one of them. He's not less athletic than Justin Herbert, he's a more athletic version of him. Same with Big Ben, he's more athletic. It's a big reason why he's a much better runner than those two in College. I do wonder if it's the same one scout that multiple people are using for different reports. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 20, 2024 16:27:55 GMT -5
Yeah idk how ppl can question his athleticism, there’s a 3 play sequence against Pitt this year where he scrambles for like 20 and breaks a tackle doing so, throws a TD pass left handed, and then throws an absolute dart 60 yards. He can quite literally do it all
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 20, 2024 18:54:40 GMT -5
It really seems for whatever reason a lot of the write-ups just want to tear down maye and in some cases just make up crap. He's plenty athletic. The way many writeups talk about him you'd think he'd be lucky to go 2nd round instead of 2nd overall.
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Post by cdj on Apr 20, 2024 20:00:24 GMT -5
Not only all of that his entire family are elite athletes- athleticism is quite literally something that runs in his family lmao
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 20, 2024 20:04:47 GMT -5
Not only all of that his entire family are elite athletes- athleticism is quite literally something that runs in his family lmao His brother Luke will always be remembered by me as a huge heels fan. That dagger shot he hit over Kentucky in the tourney in 17 and then they won. I hope drake is just as clutch. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 20, 2024 23:19:24 GMT -5
Draft season is crazy, actually having scouts question how athletic Drake Maye is, wow. Maye is a monster of a bear man, everything I’ve watched from him just wowed me. Honestly, I think he’s FAR closer to being QB1 than QB3, and I say that as someone who’s also a huge believer in Caleb Williams. The only possible knock on Maye is that his delivery is kind of funky, but you can work that out. |
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Post by rasimon on Apr 21, 2024 8:56:05 GMT -5
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Post by philarhody on Apr 21, 2024 10:56:37 GMT -5
This is pretty interesting. www.wideleft.football/p/2024-consensus-big-board-who-areIn five drafts between 2016-2021, the most polarizing quarterback prospects by consensus were Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes, Sam Darnold and Jordan Love. Hasan’s most polarizing prospect in 2024? Jayden Daniels. |
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Post by philarhody on Apr 21, 2024 10:59:27 GMT -5
Draft season is crazy, actually having scouts question how athletic Drake Maye is, wow. Maye is a monster of a bear man, everything I’ve watched from him just wowed me. Honestly, I think he’s FAR closer to being QB1 than QB3, and I say that as someone who’s also a huge believer in Caleb Williams. The only possible knock on Maye is that his delivery is kind of funky, but you can work that out. As someone who also hated the mechanics of Herbert, Love and Lawrence, I’m done betting against the big, strong armed athletes that throw like shortstops. Which Maye was in high school. |
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